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    TRT and Tren E

    Started TRT today and will be given 200 mg of test C, 500hcg every Thursday. I will also have 1mg Anastrozole M/W/F.

    Doc wants to run bloodwork again in 3 weeks then every 6 weeks. My test level came in low 400's and free was 76 I believe. I'm 34 years old. I've ran test, deca dbol winstrol in the past. Not all together just small 10-12 week cycles.

    I have tren E on hand Enough to run 10 weeks of it. I want to run it along with my base of 200mg of test C of course. What I want to know is how this will show on blood work. Will running tren throw a red flag on my blood work? I don't want to be take. Off the test since my dual insurance coverage takes care of all cost. Thanks for any help.

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    Tren is known to skew estrogen levels and give false readings. Not to mention it will elevate your RBC's. If you're just starting a TRT protocol you need to ride things out for a while and get through your blood work until you're dialed in. Then BW normally drops down to every six months or so. At that point you'll be more free to squeeze in cycles if you so choose.

    More importantly than that. 200 mg per week in one injection is really an old school protocol. He's then giving you HCG I assume a couple days before your next Test injection. This is to bump up T levels that are waning at the end of the week based on the half life of testosterone . Look at this chart which I post all the time to give guys a visual of how a normal dose of test metabolizes:



    This type of dosing can put you on a hormonal roller coaster. On top of that 200 mgs is starting at the high end, which is never good as it then causes you to have to mitigate issues along the way instead of starting low and titrating up based on BW. You'd be much better off starting at 50 mgs x 2 per week without implementing an AI and adjust based on BW. It's TRT, more isn't necessarily better. Cycle all you want later but get dialed in for the long term with TRT first and foremost.

    Now, when it comes to estrogen control and your doc's AI dosage. He's absolutely nuts. Your estrogen is going to crash and you will feel like crap with no libido and all the other issues that come from having no estrogen. 1 mg of adex x3 per week is ridiculous and beyond most needs for guys on extreme dosage cycles. Example, if I ran 750 mgs test per week my adex dose would be .5 mgs x 3 per week.

    Be patient. Your going to have enough issues getting straightened out with your protocol and educating your doc, if he's willing to listen and learn. Cycling can wait, deal with your long term health.
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    Thank you for the response. I just read through my paperwork it's .5 mg on the estrogen blocker. I should of mentioned I was in TRT for 15 weeks which ended in March of this year. I stopped when I moved across the country and took on a new role in my company. Work was hectic and I am just getting into a new TRT doctor. I did start at 100 mg week 1 then gradually moved up to 200 by week 10 and gradually moved up the Aromadex to .5 EOD. My new doc is starting me where I left off. Is that bad? Also I will hold of on the Tren based on the feedback should I start 8 weeks into TRT?

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    Ok. It's only bad if your blood work shows it's bad. As stated, once per week protocols are not really the best thing anymore. You can do better with less on a twice weekly protocol. What I mean is you could arbitrarily start out at 50-75 mgs x 2 per week and do far better when extrapolated over the 7 day week than you will on a once per week protocol. You'll more easily achieve a steadier state of testosterone instead of the drastic rise and fall as denoted in the above graph. Also be sure to gauge your test level by your free T level, not total T. Free T is what works for you. Total mean virtually nothing really.

    When it comes to your AI dose at .5 x 3 p/w it's still more than likely way to high. Again, only blood work will reveal this and the test for estrogen needs to be a Sensitive Estrogen Assay, not standard estradiol as it's wildly inaccurate in men. Most doc's have no clue about this as it tends to read high which in turn causes unnecessary dosing of AI's. You can see the problem with this.

    When it comes to HCG you should simply split your dosage to 250 IU's x 2 per week and take it on the days you inject, assuming you can do a twice P/W protocol.

    The twice weekly protocol allows more bang for the buck really as less test is needed. This lessens the need for Adex as well as lessens the need to donate blood due to thickening blood (hematocrit.) Plus regarding future cycling it allows you to stock up some test for future use if you so choose.
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    I noticeda huge difference when my doc switch me to 2x a week instead of one. Game changer really.

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    Only problem is I have to go there for my insurance to cover. Place is 50 minutes away so 1x per week is my only option at the moment. I am really more interested in when I can start tren and what that will do to my blood work.

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    I answered your question re tren in my first response. Why don't you ask your doctor to write a "Letter of Medical Necessity" to your provider and see if they will allow self injections? No doubt your insurance doesn't require diabetics to go to his office for all shots.....
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    Kel, damn good advice as always!

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