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    61 yrs old HRT Question

    I'm 61 and over the last few years lost sex drive, no morning wood, aches & pains etc. I did body building cycles for about 2 yrs in my 40's so I figured I do a little test. I started out with 50mg a week of enanthat/masteron blend. It didn't do much so I worked up to 300mg a week and I love it. A little growth, decent strength, sex drive, aches & pains gone. I feel great. Only problem looks like my balls are inactive. They haven't shrunk but I don't see any movement. I've been on for 10 months.

    What should I do next?

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    Well, 300 mgs per week is not TRT, it's a low dose cycle. Also, if your still using a blend of test/mast be aware that mast is a dht and excessive dht can lead to prostate issues which are prevalent enough in us older guys. Not to mention Test itself turns to dht as well. Not to mention #2 high estrogen levels as well.

    A normal starting TRT dose would be around 100 mgs per week with the most modern protocols splitting that dosage into 50 mgs x 2 for more stable levels. Then after 6 weeks blood work is pulled to evaluate levels and titrate if needed. It would have been prudent to have pulled blood work prior to initiating all this. That way you'd at least have baselines to fall back on. Odds are you already were a TRT candidate.

    Re your testicals being inactive. They are completely shut down. When exogenous test is initiated after a short time endogenous production will cease due to the HPTA's feedback mechanism. This can lead to atrophy for many and sometime discomfort. It's why on modern TRT protocols HCG is recommended as an ancillary to be used to maintain some testicular function.

    What should you do? You should see a doctor and get on a properly supervised TRT protocol. Problem is right now if you saw a doc and he pulled blood work he would immediately know you are self injecting. You probably have a couple options:

    Come off everything, wait about 6 weeks and then see your doctor. Yes, you'll feel like shit after a few weeks but you'll survive.
    Come off, wait two weeks and run pct (post cycle therapy ) using serms for about 4 weeks to help restart your hpta. HCG would be a plus ahead of serms to jump start your testicals.

    Have you pulled any blood work during this time frame?

    Quite the dilemma isn't it.

    And welcome to the forum. Others will chime in as well. Give it time.
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    I completely concur with Kel, what you are doing is not HRT. Problem is with being on anabolic steroids so long, you've probably forgotten what "normal" feels like. Also, unless you are taking large amounts of an AI, your E is probably way out of range. Do you have any labs?


    The only thing I can add to what Kel has already discussed, it to come off your long anabolic cycle following a PCT regimen to help restart the internal system. I would first do some labs to see where your E is and then if the labs dictate incorporate an AI for as long as it takes for the E to come back into range and then stop. Most guys do way to much AI and crush their E and that's just going to magnify the problem. You want to bring it within the normal range.

    At the same time, I'd also add HCG for a period of time to resensitize the testicles, followed by a round of clomid to restart the HPTA. Then let it do it's thing for 6 weeks, when you should run some baseline labs and get yourself on a typical TRT protocol.

    Once you are ready for a TRT protocol, start out at around 100 mg T-cyp split into at least 2 weekly injections. Supplement that with about 500 to 1000 IU per week of HCG split into at least 3 injections (e.g. M,W,F). Follow that for 6 weeks and redo the labs. At that point evaluate whether or not an AI is necessary while on your TRT protocol. If the 6 week labs indicate, you can increase the dose to about 120 mg per week, but only if the labs indicate. Don't be doing this by "feel".

    I wish I had specifics to give you, but have no experience in coming off of an anabolic cycle. I

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    Hi Kelkel,

    How about starting TRT 100-120 mgs per week , split to two dosages and at the same time two dosages of HCG 250iu ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozraelised View Post
    Hi Kelkel,

    How about starting TRT 100-120 mgs per week , split to two dosages and at the same time two dosages of HCG 250iu ?
    I'd prefer you start solely with Test first and get through your first BW and learn what test is doing for you by itself. Then add in the HCG . One change at a time is always prudent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    I'd prefer you start solely with Test first and get through your first BW and learn what test is doing for you by itself. Then add in the HCG. One change at a time is always prudent.
    Agree.

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    Thanks guys. I did not get an email notification so I didn't reply right away. What about Novadex instead of Clomid? I have stopped so I'll wait two weeks before starting PCT. I will search for a typical PCT cycle.

    Thank you very much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunnus View Post
    Thanks guys. I did not get an email notification so I didn't reply right away. What about Novadex instead of Clomid? I have stopped so I'll wait two weeks before starting PCT. I will search for a typical PCT cycle.

    Thank you very much.
    No advice or experience to give on this one. Here's something another forum person posted about the subject. Interesting that the guy is banned now. now sure what that's about, but probably there was a good reason: https://forums.steroid.com/pct-post-...vs-clomid.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Youthful55guy View Post
    No advice or experience to give on this one. Here's something another forum person posted about the subject. Interesting that the guy is banned now. now sure what that's about, but probably there was a good reason: https://forums.steroid.com/pct-post-...vs-clomid.html

    Use Lemonada's post in the above link as your guide.
    The author of that thread was banned for reasons that had nothing to do with that information.
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    I love the way that Mast makes me look but I hate that my prostate has gotten bigger and I have to pee three to four times each night. I take 5mg Finasteride everyday and my prostate is still enlarged while I'm on Test/Mast cycle. It goes back down when I get done with my cycle. I have peanuts for balls but I don't care. Nobody looks at an old man's balls and if someone tries to kick my nuts it's a lot easier to move 'em out of the way. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02 View Post
    I love the way that Mast makes me look but I hate that my prostate has gotten bigger and I have to pee three to four times each night. I take 5mg Finasteride everyday and my prostate is still enlarged while I'm on Test/Mast cycle. It goes back down when I get done with my cycle. I have peanuts for balls but I don't care. Nobody looks at an old man's balls and if someone tries to kick my nuts it's a lot easier to move 'em out of the way. LOL
    I'd suggest you pull some BW and check your DHT level the next time you run a test/mast cycle. Fina will not help with Mast so your dht level may be through the roof when on those compounds thus making your issue worse. I can tell you that Fina is still able to crush dht levels at up to 400mgs of test. I have no doubt it will work at higher levels than that but I have not tested as such.

    For example, the last time I tested my dht was about a month and a half ago while running test at 400, deca at 400 and 20 mgs var. My dht came back at 19 on a scale of 30-85. When checking my dht level just on TRT without Fina I was a bit above range.

    Bottom line. Don't run DHT based compounds with BPH.
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