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    self-medicating looking to enter legit HRT

    Hello all,

    I am ending a 16 week 500mg/wk Test E and now looking to go to a legit TRT clinic.

    How would you all suggest I transition with the clinic?

    It's complicated because I can provide almost any modified test results at this time.
    Options:

    1.) Be totally straight forward and tell them I have been self-medicating Test and looking to go legal and supervised
    2.) Tank my test and go cold turkey off this cycle (other portions of BW might be obvious I was using AAS)
    3.) Start my PCT plan as normal and start fresh with the clinic in 4 months
    4.) Drop to a really low cruise dose and provide results of low test to them for BW

    I can run my own private labwork easily and check my results before I take their requested BW.

    I don't have a real problem with any option, but I do feel it's a little counter productive to put my body through PCT only to immediately suppress my system again if I'm granted a new patient.

    If it makes any difference I am 37 years old with a baseline test around 470 (scale to 900ish), but I "feel" poor symptoms, which is a major emphasis of these non-insurance accepting, cash-based wellness centers. Also will not be breeding.

    All advice appreciated. Without naming names the clinic in mind is the extremely popular telemedicine clinic based in Florida, if you have specific experience with this place, please share!

    Thank you all!
    Last edited by UncleCurley; 08-04-2018 at 06:54 PM. Reason: added scale to Test #

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    Why not just do your PCT and get blood work 8 weeks later to see how your levels across all hormones look, rather than jumping the gun? Just feeling "poor" symptoms isn't really enough to warrant a lifelong commitment to TRT. I would do more investigation and more bloodwork beyond just test levels, which in a vacuum don't provide enough context.

    If by the end of your investigation TRT is still the best option then get a doctor one on one not a clinic. Moreover, if the end result is that you are a TRT candidate, then you have nothing to gain by being deceitful and manipulating your blood work.
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    I'm really confused with this post.

    First off, 500 mg/week is not self medicating, it's an anabolic steroid cycle. Call it what it is.

    Secondly, per Windex's post, why do you want to go onto 'legitimate' TRT and not do a PCT to restore normal levels? TRT is a lifelong commitment.
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    Perhaps I posted this in the wrong thread. Yes, I am blasting steroids . I am going to cruise. Maybe blast and cruise. I am looking to work with a legal TRT clinic, instead of self-medicating my TRT dose with UGL test. Does that clear things up?

    I'm asking opinions on the best way to go about this. Surely I am not the only one on this website who has done this, many are just blasting and cruising under their own administration and internet research. I would like to use pharmaceutical products under the guidance of a medical staff.

    I understand the difference between TRT and PCT, I am beyond the decision making process, that wasn't the intention of my inquiry.

    Appreciate any insight from those BLASTING steroids and looking to use a legal clinic post cycle.

    Perhaps just PCT off and getting new baselines (which will be shit) is the best way to give the clinic a baseline to assess from, just seems uselessly dangerous to use those MEDS and restart my Test, only to suppress it again, a couple months later.

    thanks again

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleCurley View Post
    Perhaps I posted this in the wrong thread. Yes, I am blasting steroids . I am going to cruise. Maybe blast and cruise. I am looking to work with a legal TRT clinic, instead of self-medicating my TRT dose with UGL test. Does that clear things up?

    I'm asking opinions on the best way to go about this. Surely I am not the only one on this website who has done this, many are just blasting and cruising under their own administration and internet research. I would like to use pharmaceutical products under the guidance of a medical staff.

    I understand the difference between TRT and PCT, I am beyond the decision making process, that wasn't the intention of my inquiry.

    Appreciate any insight from those BLASTING steroids and looking to use a legal clinic post cycle.

    Perhaps just PCT off and getting new baselines (which will be shit) is the best way to give the clinic a baseline to assess from, just seems uselessly dangerous to use those MEDS and restart my Test, only to suppress it again, a couple months later.

    thanks again
    You say you are past the decision making process but you are asking questions here - so really you are just looking for validation from somewhat on your proposed plan. Reread my post. And again, TRT clinics are the wrong route, Endo / Uro are superior.

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    If you have zero to add that is constructive, but you cannot help yourself to chime in on every single post in every thread on this board.

    I'm not asking your opinion if I am a good candidate for TRT, that isn't up to you to decide. I'm not asking if I should use a PCP, Uro, Endo or a private Wellness Center. I'm also not looking for any validation, especially from YOU. Why TF would I need your validation??

    I am asking for experiences of those who were abusing testosterone who decided to pursue legal prescription for it. How was their transition performed?

    Quit digressing to your big daddy, gate keeping, holier than thou attitude. Is it too difficult for you to ignore me?
    What difference does it make if I use a clinic or a doctor? Doctors work at the clinics. What if I don't have health insurance and I am a cash patient? What if money is no issue? Why are we talking about WHAT KIND of doctor I'm looking to get a prescription from?

    This a STEROID .com a board for people to share their experiences experimenting with exogenous hormones.
    There is a small sub forum here for TRT patients. The majority of people here abuse hormones. Please stop being so judgemental.

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    Thanks for clearing up your goals. As you pointed out, this is a subforum for those seeing help with TRT. As such, we get a lot of newbies here seeking information on the topic. It becomes difficult for those of us who are experienced in TRT to try to convince the newbies that the huge doses they sometimes read about in these posts are not TRT, but in fact anabolic steroid cycles disguised as TRT to look legitimate. The average guy seeking TRT usually does not need anything more than 100 to 120 mg per week when it is administered properly. That is why I asked you to clear up your goals for the record and to call it what it is.

    No judgement here, I understand the desire to look buff and anabolic steroids can certainly assist in that process. I also invest a lot of my personal time here because I understand what it's like to feel like SH^! when your hormones are out of balance and not getting any help from the medical community. That is why I ask that guys not call 'Blast and Cruise' anabolic steroid cycles TRT and to be clear about their goals. I wish you luck in your endeavors.
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    - TRT clinics are more expensive. Whether or not money is an issue is irrelevant, especially if something that is for life. If there were two identical cars on a lot and one was $10, 000 more no rational person would willingly spend more money for an identical product.

    - Often TRT clinics will not script HCG

    - TRT clinics may not script an AI

    - Not all TRT clinics will provide all blood work and/or do the proper amount of BW

    - From my observations, it's more of a headache transferring from 1 clinic to another versus one doctor to another (ie - moving locations)

    - Your initial post states "all advice appreciated"


    If you don't like someone being blunt and trying to help you whose been on TRT longer than you've been holding weights then that's your prerogative.

    I'll take your commen about chiming in every threads as a compliment.

    Like Youthful said, best of luck

    - If the TRT clinic does the injections you have no control over dose and pinnin frequency

    - If the TRT clinic does the injections and doesn't give you the Test to take home it becomes a headache for travel / vacations

    - A lot of TRT clinics use old outdated protocols which puts your hormones through a roller coaster

    - TRT clinics are often run as a business first and a standard of care second

    - Doctors are a more personalized experience which to me makes it better considering it's a lifelong commitment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Youthful55guy View Post
    Thanks for clearing up your goals. As you pointed out, this is a subforum for those seeing help with TRT. As such, we get a lot of newbies here seeking information on the topic. It becomes difficult for those of us who are experienced in TRT to try to convince the newbies that the huge doses they sometimes read about in these posts are not TRT, but in fact anabolic steroid cycles disguised as TRT to look legitimate. The average guy seeking TRT usually does not need anything more than 100 to 120 mg per week when it is administered properly. That is why I asked you to clear up your goals for the record and to call it what it is.

    No judgement here, I understand the desire to look buff and anabolic steroids can certainly assist in that process. I also invest a lot of my personal time here because I understand what it's like to feel like SH^! when your hormones are out of balance and not getting any help from the medical community. That is why I ask that guys not call 'Blast and Cruise' anabolic steroid cycles TRT and to be clear about their goals. I wish you luck in your endeavors.
    I understand, and appreciate where you're coming from. I could have been a little more blunt, but seeing the context of this website, I thought reading between the lines wouldn't cause such a stir. I am looking to optimize my natural hormone level (from 477 on a scale of 1000) closer to the upper end of the spectrum (900+) not looking for doctor to give prescribe me super physiological amounts of hormones, I acknowledge that isn't healthy or responsible. best to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    - TRT clinics are more expensive. Whether or not money is an issue is irrelevant, especially if something that is for life. If there were two identical cars on a lot and one was $10, 000 more no rational person would willingly spend more money for an identical product.

    - Often TRT clinics will not script HCG

    - TRT clinics may not script an AI

    - Not all TRT clinics will provide all blood work and/or do the proper amount of BW

    - From my observations, it's more of a headache transferring from 1 clinic to another versus one doctor to another (ie - moving locations)

    - Your initial post states "all advice appreciated"


    If you don't like someone being blunt and trying to help you whose been on TRT longer than you've been holding weights then that's your prerogative.

    I'll take your commen about chiming in every threads as a compliment.

    Like Youthful said, best of luck

    - If the TRT clinic does the injections you have no control over dose and pinnin frequency

    - If the TRT clinic does the injections and doesn't give you the Test to take home it becomes a headache for travel / vacations

    - A lot of TRT clinics use old outdated protocols which puts your hormones through a roller coaster

    - TRT clinics are often run as a business first and a standard of care second

    - Doctors are a more personalized experience which to me makes it better considering it's a lifelong commitment
    Honestly, we have digressed far from my original post. But since we both clearly have too much free time squabble on a message board, the clinic I have in mind, I have already researched. Someone in my immediate family has been using the clinic for 4 years for TRT already. I know all about their procedures.

    They practice telemedicine, meaning I do not have to drive 5 hours to get a shot every week. In fact I never have to go to the clinic at all. Physical is performed by my physician of choice in my neighborhoods, BW is done at my local LabCorp facility, and medicine is sent to my house from a compounded pharmacy. There are no monthly "club fees." This clinic does in fact prescribe HCG and AI and reviews your bloodwork every 6 weeks with their staff. After your TRT is stabilized BW is done every 6 months instead. Pricve ranges from $85-140/month depending on what meds you need. Initial consults and lab reviews are around $500 to start.

    I understand it's a lifelong commitment.

    I suppose you took my "all advice appreciated" very literally, as I meant all RELEVANT advice appreciated. I wan't seeking advice on how to spend my money or if my hormonal problems are real enough for you to co-sign my actions.

    I think the two of us are done here, but if anyone else who has been abusing steroids and has transitioned to a legal TRT clinic wants to share their process of transition it could be helpful.

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    Are you referring to Defy Medical?

    Also, my only concern if I were in your shoes would be to find the root cause of why you feel the way you do. If it's fixable and you can return to feeling great it's a plus. If it's not and it's your time for TRT then you enter into it with a clear conscience.

    Is you test mostly bound by elevated shbg causing free T to be low.
    Possible thyroid issues? Hypothyroidism can cause hypogonadism.
    Prolactin / cortisol issues.

    Just some food for thought.

    I've never had to transition the way you discussed. Maybe someone else here can chime in. Either way, best of luck with it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Are you referring to Defy Medical?

    Also, my only concern if I were in your shoes would be to find the root cause of why you feel the way you do. If it's fixable and you can return to feeling great it's a plus. If it's not and it's your time for TRT then you enter into it with a clear conscience.

    Is you test mostly bound by elevated shbg causing free T to be low.
    Possible thyroid issues? Hypothyroidism can cause hypogonadism.
    Prolactin / cortisol issues.

    Just some food for thought.

    I've never had to transition the way you discussed. Maybe someone else here can chime in. Either way, best of luck with it!

    kel
    Thank for you the constructive contribution. 3 years ago I had seen my PCP for my symptoms, he tested both my test and my thyroid, it was not thyroid condition and he wasn't personally concerned with my test... wrote it off on my medical record as "perhaps psychological in nature" I actually pulled my medical records recently to review the scores myself as he never went over numbers with me, just said i was "fine"

    I have an HMO insurance, it's not the easiest to work with, even when I had a scare of melanoma it took forever to clear a referral to a dermatologist, and when I saw one, he needed a second referral to do a biopsy, that is absurd.

    To update you all, I have spoke with the clinic today, and was as transparent as necessary with them, that I was self-administering test to myself and feeling better and that I had previous bw before starting. They understood and would NOT ask me to come off test only to restart a program with them, but rather give them my previous BW and take new BW and share my protocol for their consideration. They say they accept many new patients who are either transferring from another clinic, or transferring from doctor care, and that my scenario wasn't exactly abnormal.

    Guess I worried for no reason. Perhaps my story will help others in a similar situation.

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    Let us know how it goes please. Also, what's the name of the clinic? Is it Defy? It's perfectly fine to mention the names of clinics.
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    Sounds like Core Medical to me Kel.

    OP, of course coming off a 500mg/wk cycle is going to make you feel like shit since your levels are crashing. I would do pct and give yourself a chance to adjust then asses how you feel and pull bloods at that point. I tried everything before starting trt myself...diet, supps, boosters, etc and when nothing helped I took the plunge.

    Not sure what clincs windex was referring to, but most legitimate ones will prescribe a complete protocol of test cyp, hcg and ai as needed. Look at my recent post “are there any legit clinics” and we have several good ones listed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lifted1 View Post
    Sounds like Core Medical to me Kel.

    OP, of course coming off a 500mg/wk cycle is going to make you feel like shit since your levels are crashing. I would do pct and give yourself a chance to adjust then asses how you feel and pull bloods at that point. I tried everything before starting trt myself...diet, supps, boosters, etc and when nothing helped I took the plunge.

    Not sure what clincs windex was referring to, but most legitimate ones will prescribe a complete protocol of test cyp, hcg and ai as needed. Look at my recent post “are there any legit clinics” and we have several good ones listed.
    Yeah most now do trt including ai, hcg , and some even do hgh therapy. I looked into alot of them when i first started out, but problem i kept running into was either what they intially tell you the cost will be, ends up jumping to almost double what they tell you, or others want you to come in every 2 wks for them to administer the shot. But most of them do complete protocols and bloods.
    Just seems easier to me to go through an actual doc, uro seem better suited than endo's. Plus alot of them are dealimg with trt more and more

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    UPDATE.

    Did my bloodwork, had my consultation. Dr. did not ask me to go off test for baselines. I waited 4 weeks after my blast to do their labwork and did my own private labwork a few days before their ordered labwork to make sure everything was in check. Dr. prescribed Test C at about 150mg/week. He said he wouldn't even know if I needed TRT in the first place but since I had already been self-administering it for a long time I probably needed it by now. I had a very rudimentary baseline Total Test and Free score from a couple years back I gave him that showed me a little below average (nothing insanely terrible but low enough to "optimize" by a men's clinic).

    gotta be patient and mindful now that I'm working with a Dr but it's helpful to perform more complete labs and have something better than Dr. Google look over my numbers.

    Will consider going back to short blasts when my TRT check-ins are spaced farther apart.

    Thanks for everyones help.


    If you are in California check into HELIX. They will come to your house or office to do bloods and prescribe you test, HGH, whatever. Pay to play. https://helixmwr.com/services/

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