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    AustrianOX is offline New Member
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    Question TRT newbie. Advice needed for self medication

    Hi, I am a guy (34), 6'3, 255 lbs, bf ~13%, living in the Czech Rep. where are no TRT specialist / doctors to be found. I'm thinking of starting w TRT bc of my real low T levels, see below.

    I have done several cycles in the past, I tried to be as informed as possible and have adequate PCT afterwards.
    But I assume in the long run I did something not well because in May 2020 I did a hormone blood test and those are my results:

    Total T 335 ng/dL
    Free T 37 pg/mL
    Estradiol 75 pg/mL*
    SHBG 16 nmol
    LH 4.6 U/l
    Prolactin 7yg

    *note: it is a standard test, bc in Czech Rep, they don't differ between females and males E (does anybody have an idea what it could be if I was tested with a E sensitive test?)

    I have a buddy who is 40-something and for a long time on TRT. He recommended for me following:

    Start TRT protocol:
    Test E 200mg weekly, split in EOD dosages
    NPP 200mg weekly, split in EOD dosages

    (After 4 weeks new blood test if I can tolerate more T or lower dosage, lower NPP to 100 mg)

    Clomid once a month for a week, 12.5mg daily
    HcG 250 mcg E4D


    I am quite sensitive when it comes to E side effects like gyno-symptoms, I get easily knots and swelling. Could be of course bc of my 'natural' high E levels plus then adding a cycle (which I in the past injected in a "more is more' manner).

    My last cycle is a year ago, which was a Test E 900 mg and Deca 500mg / weekly cycle about 14 weeks.

    Any recommendation / advice is highly appreciated, thank you for your time reading this and taking your time helping me out!

    Cheers

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    Frequent injections could be beneficial since you have a low shbg and would also keep your E down

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    Quote Originally Posted by cylon357 View Post
    I would normalize the T injections to twice a week. No need to inject Test E every other day unless you are trying to reduce injection volume. 200 is a little high for TRT to start with, I would probably back that down to 50 2x week to start.

    You could do the hcg on a similar schedule to the T injections. That is, if you inject T Mon AM and Thurs PM, inject the hcg Tues AM and Fri PM.

    I'm not sure why he would recommend the clomid in that dose / frequency. Most argue that the T will overpower the clomid and thus the clomid will fail to keep the HPTA fully functioning. However, I believe that there is a theory (as far as I know unproven so far) that says that at low T doses, you might be able to maintain function by using clomid constantly. At the moment, I use Clomid as my HRT... It is effective if you are secondary hypo, but I can not say how well it would work in this situation. I would say that if you are going to use it at all, use it daily or every other day. One week a month will likely not do anything, but I am eager to hear other peoples input on this. You might also look into Enclomiphene, basically Clomid minus a molecule (the one that brings most of the negative effects, or so I have read). I do not have experience with this yet.

    Basic gyno control / prevention might be better accomplished using Tamoxifen 10mg / day to start, rather than an AI. But, if you have previous experience to draw from, you know best how your body reacts.
    Two questions regarding Clomid: As it's increasing T levels and LH / FSH levels, my exogenous Testo dosage can be lower, right? Also Clomid EOD or daily 12.5-25mg seems to be the dosage for high Testo dosages in a cycle, I am wondering if the dosage can be significantly lowered like some ppl do for AI dosage (vodka method)?

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    xxblazenlowxx That's the reason my buddy recommended it, to keep my E down. Since it is already up there.

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    Regarding Clomid I have 2 questions. Since it is increasing T levels (as well as LH FSH), I wonder if my exogenous T injections could be lower? Also EOD or daily dosage of 12.5 + mg Clomid is something for a cycle with way higher T and other roids, no? I wonder if it could be significantly lowered, like some ppl do with an AI and the "vodka method"?

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