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    Adding Dhea to trt?

    My e2 is still tanked at 12 I’m on 250 mg of prop a week!

    It’s been 6 weeks and e2 hasn’t come up and my sides haven’t gotten better(joint,digestion,fatigue,Ed,)? My joints are only getting worse I suspect my e2 is even lower during the day when my dht peaks causing less e2 conversion!

    He recommended 25 mg of Dhea!

    Would it throw hemostasis I know it can take up to 8 weeks to see improvement? Should I wait it out?
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    This should be in the trt section. A moderator will likely move it soon
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    When I added DHEA to my trt, my skin practically sweat grease, I broke out all over and my hair shed faster. I dropped it in three weeks and did no research however, I would guess that it increased DHT production.

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    Why the hell would he recommend DHEA when E2 is the problem? Just take microdoses of exogenous estradiol and solve the damned problem.
    Clearly, you arenít aromatizing, so DHEA isnít going to change that.
    Also, about all DHEA did for me was give me nasty acne and make my nipples feel like they were on fire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quester View Post
    This should be in the trt section. A moderator will likely move it soon
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    When I added DHEA to my trt, my skin practically sweat grease, I broke out all over and my hair shed faster. I dropped it in three weeks and did no research however, I would guess that it increased DHT production.
    Bro I know what ur talking about when I mean I can’t even walk out side without being soaked in sweat! And I never had any facial hair in my life in the last 6 weeks I broke out in facial hair! After I eat my meal I am soaked in sweat it’s crazy

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Where does your prop come from?
    A well respected source that I got from my coach I pay online!

    Dam people never answer the question should I add Dhea or not does it matter where my prop came from it’s real I tested it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallowmere View Post
    Why the hell would he recommend DHEA when E2 is the problem? Just take microdoses of exogenous estradiol and solve the damned problem.
    Clearly, you aren’t aromatizing, so DHEA isn’t going to change that.
    Also, about all DHEA did for me was give me nasty acne and make my nipples feel like they were on fire.
    I’m not taking estrogen why would I do that might get gyno if I react badly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mmaman View Post
    Iím not taking estrogen why would I do that might get gyno if I react badly!
    Hence the microdosing recommendation.
    Itís the inverse of how postmenopausal women are given microdoses of testosterone to bring them into a normal range.
    Of course if you gave them a maleís dose theyíd grow a mustache and have clitoral growth, which is why you donít do that. Just like you wouldnít give yourself a womanís dosage of E2.
    If your bodyís pathways arenít producing a needed hormone, you introduce small amounts to bring levels into proper range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallowmere View Post
    Hence the microdosing recommendation.
    It’s the inverse of how postmenopausal women are given microdoses of testosterone to bring them into a normal range.
    Of course if you gave them a male’s dose they’d grow a mustache and have clitoral growth, which is why you don’t do that. Just like you wouldn’t give yourself a woman’s dosage of E2.
    If your body’s pathways aren’t producing a needed hormone, you introduce small amounts to bring levels into proper range.
    What will happen if I don’t will my e2 just stay at 12?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mmaman View Post
    What will happen if I donít will my e2 just stay at 12?
    Itís possible, thought there could be something else going on.
    I am personally a low aromatizer as well, but nowhere near as bad as what youíre describing. Basically, on my normal TRT dose (100/week) Iím still barely in the normal range (it hovers between 14-16). Even when on 500+mg cycles, I barely break into the low 60s. Iíve just learned to live with it, because nothing that I do, short of getting fat or introducing exogenous E2 seems to bring it up.
    As I said, I tried DHEA, and all it did was give me bad skin and burning nipples, and did precisely nothing to increase my E2.

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    What do u mean something else?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gallowmere View Post
    Itís possible, thought there could be something else going on.
    I am personally a low aromatizer as well, but nowhere near as bad as what youíre describing. Basically, on my normal TRT dose (100/week) Iím still barely in the normal range (it hovers between 14-16). Even when on 500+mg cycles, I barely break into the low 60s. Iíve just learned to live with it, because nothing that I do, short of getting fat or introducing exogenous E2 seems to bring it up.
    As I said, I tried DHEA, and all it did was give me bad skin and burning nipples, and did precisely nothing to increase my E2.
    What do u mean something else going on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mmaman View Post
    What do u mean something else going on?
    What is your total and free test when E2 levels are this low?
    How about DHT?

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    1500+! Free t 393 ,dht 328

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallowmere View Post
    What is your total and free test when E2 levels are this low?
    How about DHT?
    1500+! Free t 393 ,dht 328

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mmaman View Post
    1500+! Free t 393 ,dht 328
    Interesting.
    Whatís your current body comp looking like?
    Mainly asking, as you may be in the same boat that I am. Some people just donít have much in the way of aromatase enzyme production without being excessively fat. Or you could just have a high production of 5a-reductase, which would explain the DHT levels and is basically causing a ďstarvationĒ of available test for estradiol production.
    On the bright side, this would mean youíll never have to worry about E2 skyrocketing on aromatizing compounds. On the downside, it means that youíre probably going to have to, as I do, live with it, get fatter and hope it works, or go with my original suggestion and microdose estradiol.
    When I say that, I mean the lowest possible dose you can split down to, ride it for a week, see if symptoms improve, get new bloods, and repeat until you are where you want to be.
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    Iím pretty fat!

    Quote Originally Posted by Gallowmere View Post
    Interesting.
    What’s your current body comp looking like?
    Mainly asking, as you may be in the same boat that I am. Some people just don’t have much in the way of aromatase enzyme production without being excessively fat. Or you could just have a high production of 5a-reductase, which would explain the DHT levels and is basically causing a “starvation” of available test for estradiol production.
    On the bright side, this would mean you’ll never have to worry about E2 skyrocketing on aromatizing compounds. On the downside, it means that you’re probably going to have to, as I do, live with it, get fatter and hope it works, or go with my original suggestion and microdose estradiol.
    When I say that, I mean the lowest possible dose you can split down to, ride it for a week, see if symptoms improve, get new bloods, and repeat until you are where you want to be.
    With the lockdown I’m still waiting on my power rack Im def not skinny prob around 20 percent body fat! I also only do delt injections as I hear that’s best for absorbing it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mmaman View Post
    With the lockdown I’m still waiting on my power rack Im def not skinny prob around 20 percent body fat! I also only do delt injections as I hear that’s best for absorbing it!
    Rotate the injection sites and dhea won't do shit for E2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mmaman View Post
    1500+! Free t 393 ,dht 328
    Whats the range on the dht? The test I'm familiar with has top of normal range around 65 or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mmaman View Post
    With the lockdown Iím still waiting on my power rack Im def not skinny prob around 20 percent body fat! I also only do delt injections as I hear thatís best for absorbing it!
    Definitely rotate your sites. I have 16 that I use, purely to avoid building a shitload of scar tissue in any single muscles.
    If youíre actually that high in body fat, and your E2 conversion is that low, youíre definitely going to want to follow the exogenous route. Frankly, I cannot think of anything else that could be causing it, unless your gear lab got the bright idea to put AI into their blend.
    That sounds stupid, but fucking doctors everywhere are currently having TRT patients stuff compounded with built in AIs, and itís fucking people all up.

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    In my experience, DHEA is a common addon to TRT protocols.

    There are a handful of studies referenced on examine.com that indicate that it raises both T and E, though not significantly or reliably. It seems like at least some of those studies were on post menopausal women so likely not a perfect apples to apples comparison.

    I've been on 25mg DHEA for a while now and all I can really say for sure is that it increased my DHEA-S blood test numbers.
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    Could it be because of Ed injections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gallowmere View Post
    Definitely rotate your sites. I have 16 that I use, purely to avoid building a shitload of scar tissue in any single muscles.
    If youíre actually that high in body fat, and your E2 conversion is that low, youíre definitely going to want to follow the exogenous route. Frankly, I cannot think of anything else that could be causing it, unless your gear lab got the bright idea to put AI into their blend.
    That sounds stupid, but fucking doctors everywhere are currently having TRT patients stuff compounded with built in AIs, and itís fucking people all up.
    Ed injections help with lowering e2?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mmaman View Post
    Ed injections help with lowering e2?
    Not necessarily, but they prevent peaks and troughs from being as severe.
    More about stability than anything. The only time I bother with ED injections is when using short esters, as the old halflife estimates were trash and completely disproved in clinical trials.
    For example, propionate and acetate actually have true terminal half-lives of 20-22 hour and 22-25 hours, respectively.

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    Why do u think Iím not aromatizing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gallowmere View Post
    Not necessarily, but they prevent peaks and troughs from being as severe.
    More about stability than anything. The only time I bother with ED injections is when using short esters, as the old halflife estimates were trash and completely disproved in clinical trials.
    For example, propionate and acetate actually have true terminal half-lives of 20-22 hour and 22-25 hours, respectively.
    Dosent make any sense why my e2 is not moving?

    How is this possible? Would adding more sub q help?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mmaman View Post
    Dosent make any sense why my e2 is not moving?

    How is this possible? Would adding more sub q help?
    No, this is why I suggested that it could be that your test is blended with an AI. This is becoming extremely common in the quack TRT realm, so it wouldnít shock me if it has started to bleed over into UGL brewers as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallowmere View Post
    No, this is why I suggested that it could be that your test is blended with an AI. This is becoming extremely common in the quack TRT realm, so it wouldn’t shock me if it has started to bleed over into UGL brewers as well.
    Mine is pharma grade stuff?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallowmere View Post
    Why the hell would he recommend DHEA when E2 is the problem? Just take microdoses of exogenous estradiol and solve the damned problem.
    Clearly, you aren’t aromatizing, so DHEA isn’t going to change that.
    Also, about all DHEA did for me was give me nasty acne and make my nipples feel like they were on fire.
    I've said it numerous times in the past, DHEA has always given my gyno symptoms and I'm not gyno prone to even the strongest AAS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mmaman View Post
    Mine is pharma grade stuff?
    So is the stuff being compounded for TRT clinics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashop View Post
    I've said it numerous times in the past, DHEA has always given my gyno symptoms and I'm not gyno prone to even the strongest AAS.
    So what should I do worried taking estrogen directly is gonna hurt me! And are we talking over the counter estrogen?

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