Very Low Testosterone

[ScrappyWall28]

Hey looking for some advice on what I should do. Just recently had blood work done and I’ve got VERY low Testosterone . (I tried to go in detail but the spam wear won’t allow me to post) 🤷🏻*♂️

[teedoff]

What has your Dr suggested you do??

[ScrappyWall28]

So right now I’ve got a prescription test cy 200 month.

I’m 34, 6”0’… been doing intermittent fasting/ Keot/ & lifting weights for awhile low. Started at 253lbs, down to 210, 20% body fat now.

I’m really thinking of wanting to a cycle at 400 test cy a week for 12 weeks or maybe 200 test cy.

Ive found it hard to make gains, which I know it’s from Low T…

Really wanting some input on what I should do.

[almostgone]

Hey looking for some advice on what I should do. Just recently had blood work done and I’ve got VERY low Testosterone . (I tried to go in detail but the spam wear won’t allow me to post) ����*♂️

You need a lot more lab work before jumping into TRT. I agree your total T is low.

I suggest you really read the thread linked below so that you understand what you need and why you need it

https://forums.steroid.com/hormone-r...physician.html

[ScrappyWall28]

Ok I’ll definitely check it out… also as I stated above my doc has prescribed me 200/month of test cy. Haven’t started taking it yet… this blood work was also to help figure out my depression, so that I can stop taking the medication I’ve got.

[Cylon357]

Ok I’ll definitely check it out… also as I stated above my doc has prescribed me 200/month of test cy. Haven’t started taking it yet… this blood work was also to help figure out my depression, so that I can stop taking the medication I’ve got.

200month is not a good protocol, you should probably argue for 100mg per week in 2 shots of 50mg each to start.

As almostgone pointed out, you need a bunch more blood markers to know what is what.

If I haven't said it already, welcome to the board!

[teedoff]

In NC I see. If you're close to Greensboro/High Point area check out a local hormone clinic. Phoenix edge

[ScrappyWall28]

Appreciate it, I’m still learning how to navigate the board. Yea it’s 200MG/ML a month, which he did state we’d do that for 6 months and check once again how I’m reacting to it.

[ScrappyWall28]

Yea north western NC. I’ll have to ride down there or check them out online. Thanks

[956Vette]

Hey looking for some advice on what I should do. Just recently had blood work done and I’ve got VERY low Testosterone.

I'd argue your testosterone level may not be as bad as you think - many who commit to (a lifetime of) hormone therapy find themselves with double digit numbers.... Best advice is to keep doing your homework as there are many options available for you to increase (or verify) your numbers before taking dramatic action. If consistent in the gym for another 6-8 wks & weening off the unwanted meds, retest hormones - if numbers haven't moved in the right direction, definitely ease into HRT...starting with 100mg/wk & work up to 200mg (which is near a cycle dosage for most, almost guaranteed to send your lab work off the charts). Had you want to do a cycle which will make your gym experience fun/obnoxious, run 400mg nandrolone (simply overdosing on biologic testosterone as old protocols suggest is not the way).

[ScrappyWall28]

Ok that sounds like some solid advice. I’m definitely studying all I can daily and trying to get all the info I can before jumping into doing something that could potentially be harmful to my body. From what I understand that working out will naturally increase testosterone and squats is on workout that does the most, correct me it I’m wrong.

Thanks

[s1nc1ty]

Might be other factors contributing to low test like bad sleep, diet,stres etc. Young bodybuilders if they diet too hard to get low bodyfat for competition theyr numbers can plummet to similar levels.There are also natural supplements like tongkat ali and fadogia agrestis that can increase testosterone levels . If you go on trt remember its life long commitment

[956Vette]

If you go on trt remember its life long commitment

Word. Wild how many doctors today (selling testosterone vials for well over $100) legit receive their hormone education from pharma and feel TRT is no big deal, quit anytime you want, lol.

[ScrappyWall28]

Oh wow, never knew it was a life long commitment. Thought it was something you’d do to get your levels right and like help kick start your natural production. Great info. I’ll have to study those supplements. That’s something I’ve been wondering about is the supplements you see in GNC says it boost testosterone , but I’m always hesitant in purchasing.

[ScrappyWall28]

So I am a little confused on this. If you’re using test for TRT it’s a life long commitment, but is it not the same if you’re doing a 12 week cycle for bulking. I mean that’s not life long, but I get you’ll loose some gains once you stop….

[teedoff]

So I am a little confused on this. If you’re using test for TRT it’s a life long commitment, but is it not the same if you’re doing a 12 week cycle for bulking. I mean that’s not life long, but I get you’ll loose some gains once you stop….

With trt, you don't do any pct to get your hormones back where they were pre cycle. Trt on the other hand is used continuously to get your test levels back to a healthy range.

Trt doses are usually pretty low. I'm doing 100mg per week. Compared to a cycle of 300 to 600mg a week of test not to mention if you're stacking other compound. That's much different as you can see from a safe trt level dose.

[ScrappyWall28]

With trt, you don't do any pct to get your hormones back where they were pre cycle. Trt on the other hand is used continuously to get your test levels back to a healthy range.

Trt doses are usually pretty low. I'm doing 100mg per week. Compared to a cycle of 300 to 600mg a week of test not to mention if you're stacking other compound. That's much different as you can see from a safe trt level dose.

Gotcha, understood. Thanks

[956Vette]

So I am a little confused on this. If you’re using test for TRT it’s a life long commitment, but is it not the same if you’re doing a 12 week cycle for bulking. I mean that’s not life long, but I get you’ll loose some gains once you stop….

There are reasons why we exaggerate about TRT being a lifelong commitment, beg your pardon. Starting synthetic male sex hormones shuts down your natural production. Say for example a young man with test lvl of 195 commits to a year of testosterone therapy , then quits...it's reasonable to predict a healthy recovery will yield a new homeostasis ~165-175ng/dL (at best) - definitely challenging to articulate the mental and physical risks for the masses as we age (genetic freaks can bounce back with post cycle therapy , but it's rare).

In the case of bodybuilders utilizing AAS for bulking or whatever, it can be worth the drama of taking time off to balance health & maximize gains as they return to the sauce...if that makes sense.

Testosterone boosting supplements are all snake oil, save your money. Much safer investing in performance enhancing drugs from your pharmacy vs GNC as either they're offering a placebo or serious analogs/derivatives which will be banned/controlled in couple of years.

[s1nc1ty]

There are reasons why we exaggerate about TRT being a lifelong commitment, beg your pardon. Starting synthetic male sex hormones shuts down your natural production. Say for example a young man with test lvl of 195 commits to a year of testosterone therapy , then quits...it's reasonable to predict a healthy recovery will yield a new homeostasis ~165-175ng/dL (at best) - definitely challenging to articulate the mental and physical risks for the masses as we age (genetic freaks can bounce back with post cycle therapy , but it's rare).

In the case of bodybuilders utilizing AAS for bulking or whatever, it can be worth the drama of taking time off to balance health & maximize gains as they return to the sauce...if that makes sense.

Testosterone boosting supplements are all snake oil, save your money. Much safer investing in performance enhancing drugs from your pharmacy vs GNC as either they're offering a placebo or serious analogs/derivatives which will be banned/controlled in couple of years.

Dunno man. The old test supplements were shit like tribulus etc. But these new ones like the tongkat ali and fadogia agrestis, alot legit people saying they work. I havent tried them myself but i do believe they can possibly be of some (noticable) help

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bJWmJo3w_0Y

[ScrappyWall28]

There are reasons why we exaggerate about TRT being a lifelong commitment, beg your pardon. Starting synthetic male sex hormones shuts down your natural production. Say for example a young man with test lvl of 195 commits to a year of testosterone therapy , then quits...it's reasonable to predict a healthy recovery will yield a new homeostasis ~165-175ng/dL (at best) - definitely challenging to articulate the mental and physical risks for the masses as we age (genetic freaks can bounce back with post cycle therapy , but it's rare).

In the case of bodybuilders utilizing AAS for bulking or whatever, it can be worth the drama of taking time off to balance health & maximize gains as they return to the sauce...if that makes sense.

Testosterone boosting supplements are all snake oil, save your money. Much safer investing in performance enhancing drugs from your pharmacy vs GNC as either they're offering a placebo or serious analogs/derivatives which will be banned/controlled in couple of years.

Oh ok, that makes more sense and was kind of what I was thinking. I need to speak with my doctor once again as I don’t recall him saying how long we’re going to try the 200/month and also when we’ll do bloodwork once again.

It would be be interesting to come off the Test Cy, check blood work and then try some Tongkat Ali or Fadogia Agrestis, and then do blood work once again after a period of time to see if there’s any improvement at all.

This all seems like it’s going to be a lot of trail and hopefully no error, as everyone’s body is different and reacts differently.

[Cylon357]

Oh ok, that makes more sense and was kind of what I was thinking. I need to speak with my doctor once again as I don’t recall him saying how long we’re going to try the 200/month and also when we’ll do bloodwork once again.

It would be be interesting to come off the Test Cy, check blood work and then try some Tongkat Ali or Fadogia Agrestis, and then do blood work once again after a period of time to see if there’s any improvement at all.

This all seems like it’s going to be a lot of trail and hopefully no error, as everyone’s body is different and reacts differently.

It would make no sense to try trt levels for a year with the intention of coming off. Much better to cycle and pct, maybe twice in that time frame. The longer you are on continuously, the tougher recovery will be.

One of the things many people don't realize about trt is that after you get dialed in, your numbers remain stable. None of the ebb and flow of natural production. You feel good all the time, until maybe you do a blast, when you should feel great!

[956Vette]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bJWmJo3w_0Y

Is Joe seriously larping as if he doesn't have any knowledge of TRT, how can he not know what a mL of industry standard testosterone Rx yields? Bearish.

[956Vette]

Oh ok, that makes more sense and was kind of what I was thinking. I need to speak with my doctor once again as I don’t recall him saying how long we’re going to try the 200/month and also when we’ll do bloodwork once again.

It would be be interesting to come off the Test Cy, check blood work and then try some Tongkat Ali or Fadogia Agrestis, and then do blood work once again after a period of time to see if there’s any improvement at all.

This all seems like it’s going to be a lot of trail and hopefully no error, as everyone’s body is different and reacts differently.

Finding a new doctor should be the priority imo. It's interesting that your doc respected you enough to provide needle drugs out of the gate, however cucks you with a dosage for someone twice your age.

[Fresh2death]

Is Joe seriously larping as if he doesn't have any knowledge of TRT, how can he not know what a mL of industry standard testosterone Rx yields? Bearish.

Yeah I remember listening to that podcast when it came out and wondering if he was trolling the trt community. He's dialed in on his workouts and diet, and can remember obscure facts a guest said from 50 podcasts ago, yet he doesn't know exactly how much trt he is taking day to day / week to week

[teedoff]

Maybe he was playing devils advocate having the guest specifically explain some basic terms for the non informed. Pretty sure Joe's done his fair share of just about everything. Hormone and mind altering drugs both. Lol

[ScrappyWall28]

Cy, I went back to my doctor today and discussed this with him. So I asked him if we could change it to this and he was ok with it and made the change.

[ScrappyWall28]

I’m sure Joe has done his fair share of things lol

[fLgAtOr]

So my two cents outside of the HRT stuff. Congrats on the 43 lbs lost. That’s a huge accomplishment.

Regardless of your HRT decisions, you may want someone to double check your diet over in the diet section forum. If you’re truly getting after the weights, you’ll need a carb or two. Red meat can do wonders for hormone optimization too.

[ScrappyWall28]

So my two cents outside of the HRT stuff. Congrats on the 43 lbs lost. That’s a huge accomplishment.

Regardless of your HRT decisions, you may want someone to double check your diet over in the diet section forum. If you’re truly getting after the weights, you’ll need a carb or two. Red meat can do wonders for hormone optimization too.

Alright thanks. Yea I’ll need to that. As of right now and the past few months I’ve been doing Keto. Here’s my basic diet.

NO Alcohol
No more than 33g of net. Cabs a day
200g of protein in the form of Shakes, Steaks, Chicken
High Fat intake, cheese, olive oil
No fast food
No processed meats

Thank you