**MUST READ** Read and tell me what you would do ?

**Henryhill470** · 01-13-2013, 10:23 PM

This thread should prolly be in the lounge but the only people that would appreciate it would be in here ! So please for give me if it offends you for this post being in here !

So i sat down with one of my employees for their yearly evaluation. During the discussing I told (will call him tommy) Tommy is everything OK ? The past few months you have seemed to be really on edge and angry ? He simply replied "Its roid rage ", I said excuse me ? (tommy is a short pot belly putz) He said "I went to see my doctor about 5 months ago and he told me I had symptoms of low testosterone , so he has me come in once a month and get 1cc of some sort of test, I'm not really sure." I said once a month ? He said " you wouldn't understand, my doctor told me that this is normal for me to be aggravated." I began to tell him that I read a lot of articles regarding low T and was quite knowledgeable about the subject. He said "not as familiar as i am" I said "you don't even know what your taking ?????" he quickly replied "doesn't matter" All I said was "WOW" he said " I usually don't talk about it to much cause athletes have given this a bad name" I said " I only want to ask you one more questions and we don't have to talk about it ever again, is your doctor monitoring your blood work ?" he said "what the hell for ?" I said "never mind, good luck and have a nice day"

I couldn't believe it. I thought the whole thing was a joke and he was going to say "GOTCHA" but he was 100% serious. I cant believe that their are guys like him and doctors like him out in the world. It drives me nuts. It truely makes you wonder how many others are out there like him getting shi##y advice and f'ing up there body and don't have a clue.

What would have you guys have done if you where in my shoes ??????????????

**oscar1990** · 01-14-2013, 01:18 AM

Just leave it bro's, he's probably going off his symptoms as oppose to numbers. I would also go off personal symptoms and how I feel as oppose to specific numbers and a doctor telling me how I should feel.

My 0.02 bros, im no expert

**lovbyts** · 01-14-2013, 01:42 AM

That's really sad. The doctor is ruining his life and the guy is messed up even more than before. Now he is not only suffering from low T he is on the roller coaster ride (mostly down) and having to battle with emotions; thus not willing to talk or listen to you.

Your a good guy for trying and that's all you can do. You cant force it down his throat and no matter what I would not devoldge to much to him because he seems to have a negative attitude about the whole thing and may turn it on you.

I would tell him when the time seems right that you are still willing to talk to him and help him anytime he wants and your door is open.

Good luck and hope it works out.

**APIs** · 01-14-2013, 07:52 AM

Wow. Reality is you're not going to get through to him & you cetainly dont want your other employees finding out if you're on TRT. IDK, I've found that some people are just clueless in all aspects of their life. You give them advice & there's just no getting through to them. I've got a friend who's on gel. He's about 50 lbs overweight, heart problems, no HCG , no AI. His Doc has his Test levels in the 300 range and says everything's fine. I keep telling him that he should dump this Doc and seek proper care. He agrees, but gets fatter everytime I see him in the gym. Not even worth your breath...

**bullshark99** · 01-14-2013, 08:00 AM

i must concur^^^^^ never hurts though if they timing is right, even the most stubborn SOB's let their guard down from time to time.......

**lovbyts** · 01-14-2013, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by APIs

Wow. Reality is you're not going to get through to him & you cetainly dont want your other employees finding out if you're on TRT. IDK, I've found that some people are just clueless in all aspects of their life. You give them advice & there's just no getting through to them. I've got a friend who's on gel. He's about 50 lbs overweight, heart problems, no HCG, no AI. His Doc has his Test levels in the 300 range and says everything's fine. I keep telling him that he should dump this Doc and seek proper care. He agrees, but gets fatter everytime I see him in the gym. Not even worth your breath...

Some people believe that doctors can do no wrong and know everything and a simpleton like yourself who does not have a MD could not know more than the doctor when it comes to anything medical?

Seeing an MD for TRT is like taking your car in to have the transmission rebuild at an auto detail shop. lol

**Henryhill470** · 01-14-2013, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

That's really sad. The doctor is ruining his life and the guy is messed up even more than before. Now he is not only suffering from low T he is on the roller coaster ride (mostly down) and having to battle with emotions; thus not willing to talk or listen to you.

Your a good guy for trying and that's all you can do. You cant force it down his throat and no matter what I would not devoldge to much to him because he seems to have a negative attitude about the whole thing and may turn it on you.

I would tell him when the time seems right that you are still willing to talk to him and help him anytime he wants and your door is open.

Good luck and hope it works out.

Thanks, all I was planning on doing is point him in the right direction but his ignorance and stupidity out matched me. This is just a small part of why "steroids " in general get such a mad name cause of doctors that don't have a clue and patients that don't have a clue. I don't min someone being hard headed about something but you should still try and listening if someone is making an effort to help !

**jasondd1** · 01-14-2013, 09:43 AM

Id probably fire him. He doesn't sound like a very good employee. I would not let an employee talk to me like that.

**Henryhill470** · 01-14-2013, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by jasondd1

Id probably fire him. He doesn't sound like a very good employee. I would not let an employee talk to me like that.

If it were only that easy !!! :-)

**lovbyts** · 01-14-2013, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by jasondd1

Id probably fire him. He doesn't sound like a very good employee. I would not let an employee talk to me like that.

LOL I was sort of thinking the same thing. I could not imagine ever blowing off one of my managers.

**APIs** · 01-14-2013, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by Henryhill470

If it were only that easy !!! :-)

You aint kidding. Thanks to Obama, if you fired him he'd be collecting unemployment on you for the next two years...

**kelkel** · 01-14-2013, 10:46 AM

Print out some relevant info regarding proper protocols and give it to him. Tell him you just googled it and he should f'n read it. He'd feel better and probably be a more productive, happy employee.

**Henryhill470** · 01-14-2013, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by APIs

You aint kidding. Thanks to Obama, if you fired him he'd be collecting unemployment on you for the next two years...

Or longer !

**Rusty11** · 01-14-2013, 05:59 PM

You've done enough. Leave it alone. His bad attitude makes me think he might accuse you of harrassing him. This is not a couple of friends chit-chatting. This is a professional relationship. He's a big boy (and sounds like a jerk, too). Or, just fire him.

**MartyMcFly** · 01-14-2013, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by APIs

You aint kidding. Thanks to Obama, if you fired him he'd be collecting unemployment on you for the next two years...

Depends on the state. If you are fired with cause you can be denied unemployment. My buddy is the controller for a big resort and be fights pretty much all unemployment claims. Wins most too. Document what happened to lead to the firing and there's a good chance you'll win.

**GirlyGymRat** · 01-14-2013, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Print out some relevant info regarding proper protocols and give it to him. Tell him you just googled it and he should f'n read it. He'd feel better and probably be a more productive, happy employee.

This is a really good approach! I like it!!!

**Henryhill470** · 01-14-2013, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by Rusty11

You've done enough. Leave it alone. His bad attitude makes me think he might accuse you of harrassing him. This is not a couple of friends chit-chatting. This is a professional relationship. He's a big boy (and sounds like a jerk, too). Or, just fire him.

Yeah he is one of those guys that acts like he knows every little detail about his job but realistically doesn't know Sh:t. I have always believed give a person enough rope and they will hang themselves !!!!

**ctenosaura** · 01-15-2013, 12:05 AM

As an employer myself, mabey if you set him on the right track he'll be more productive for you.
Tell him "I heard from this guy who heard from this other guy, that if you take 1cc a week and HCG that............"

**calstate23** · 01-15-2013, 12:57 AM

Originally Posted by Henryhill470

This thread should prolly be in the lounge but the only people that would appreciate it would be in here ! So please for give me if it offends you for this post being in here !

So i sat down with one of my employees for their yearly evaluation. During the discussing I told (will call him tommy) Tommy is everything OK ? The past few months you have seemed to be really on edge and angry ? He simply replied "Its roid rage ", I said excuse me ? (tommy is a short pot belly putz) He said "I went to see my doctor about 5 months ago and he told me I had symptoms of low testosterone , so he has me come in once a month and get 1cc of some sort of test, I'm not really sure." I said once a month ? He said " you wouldn't understand, my doctor told me that this is normal for me to be aggravated." I began to tell him that I read a lot of articles regarding low T and was quite knowledgeable about the subject. He said "not as familiar as i am" I said "you don't even know what your taking ?????" he quickly replied "doesn't matter" All I said was "WOW" he said " I usually don't talk about it to much cause athletes have given this a bad name" I said " I only want to ask you one more questions and we don't have to talk about it ever again, is your doctor monitoring your blood work ?" he said "what the hell for ?" I said "never mind, good luck and have a nice day"

I couldn't believe it. I thought the whole thing was a joke and he was going to say "GOTCHA" but he was 100% serious. I cant believe that their are guys like him and doctors like him out in the world. It drives me nuts. It truely makes you wonder how many others are out there like him getting shi##y advice and f'ing up there body and don't have a clue.

What would have you guys have done if you where in my shoes ??????????????

Maybe he was really upset about something else and he randomly just made the whole steroid thing up...You never know....

Could even be perhaps he knows you're taking it and said it for that reason to...

Anywho, if it is what it is just tell him your good friend has been on TRT for a long time and he tells me all about it....Then you could say I'll ask him for some information and then school that youngster ha ha

**HRTstudent** · 01-15-2013, 02:26 AM

I always say... the people on these forums are very much the minority.

There are plenty of guys out there living in the dark ages being treated by doctors with 3 weeks of training in medical school about testosterone replacement .

**Henryhill470** · 02-23-2013, 07:50 PM

......

Friday I fired this gentleman !!!!!!!

The company fully back my decision.

**VTX1800** · 02-24-2013, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

Some people believe that doctors can do no wrong and know everything and a simpleton like yourself who does not have a MD could not know more than the doctor when it comes to anything medical?

Seeing an MD for TRT is like taking your car in to have the transmission rebuild at an auto detail shop. lol

That's the best comparison you can put into words! Im on day 2 of life transformation!

**Papa Smurf** · 02-24-2013, 01:51 PM

Ran into a guy this morning at the gym..............He's 48, had low T, his Doctor has him on one injection every 2 weeks. He didnt know how much he is being given. Just shows up and gets a shot. Says he feels better, but has only been 3 months. I wrote down this web site, and told him to stop by and READ !!!

**Henryhill470** · 02-24-2013, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by Papa Smurf

Ran into a guy this morning at the gym..............He's 48, had low T, his Doctor has him on one injection every 2 weeks. He didnt know how much he is being given. Just shows up and gets a shot. Says he feels better, but has only been 3 months. I wrote down this web site, and told him to stop by and READ !!!

Only if everyone would just be a little more open minded about this and maybe we could make some head way !!!!