Is T3 really needed when your on HGH???

**goose** · 04-17-2006, 02:57 PM

We have scientific studies from both sides of the cion on this topic,I`m truly confused about this and my gut feeling is a mild dose of t3 is not needed but hoping the smarter guys here can give some ideas on this concept.Does including T3 make a Difference to your HGH cycle?

***SPIKE*** · 04-17-2006, 03:11 PM

As you have Goose I've seen too many studies from both sides. I'll keep doing what works for me and thats a low dose while on. Generally 12.5-25mcg ED.

**goose** · 04-17-2006, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by Jayhova

As you have Goose I've seen too many studies from both sides. I'll keep doing what works for me and thats a low dose while on. Generally 12.5-25mcg ED.

Thats what I have always done but in the last month I have dropped the t3 and I see no Difference.I know this is quite short term but I will continue in my experiment,the truth is it`s not going to be easy to Identify anything.my Philosophy on drugs is always try and minimize as much as you can,I`m on HGH 10 months per year so this is another factor for me.

**Xtralarg** · 04-17-2006, 03:20 PM

I always use it.I have ran hgh with and without it and see better results with.
When I say better results I am refering to the fat loss aspect to HGH, the question is would the same fat loss results be seen just with T3 alone? I think so. It is ultimately up to the individual though!

**doittoit** · 04-18-2006, 08:34 AM

but xtralarge, do u notice the same muscular gains? I too have been wondering the same thing. I will be trying hgh for the first time and i figure the fat burning effects of it alone would be enough to keep me lean, is T3 really needed? Also I've heard the argument that t-3 lowers igf production? But on the other hand if hgh is lowering your natty t-3 levels than 25mcg would be just bumping it up to the high normal range i suppose?

**IBdmfkr** · 04-18-2006, 09:28 AM

I have also recently in the last month dropped T3 (because I ran out lol) and not noticed any difference at all. I was taking 25mcg/day. I think I'll leave it out until I find out otherwise.

**goose** · 04-18-2006, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by IBdmfkr

I have also recently in the last month dropped T3 (because I ran out lol) and not noticed any difference at all. I was taking 25mcg/day. I think I'll leave it out until I find out otherwise.

You see I met a 5 year vet of HGH,he has done everything that is possible with HGH and swears that a small dose of T3 does nothing in his Experience,just a thought.

**goose** · 05-01-2006, 12:42 PM

BUMP for RED.....

**Pinnacle** · 05-01-2006, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by goose4

Does including T3 make a Difference to your HGH cycle?

I'm not even going to look past this first post..

NO..it does not make one bit of difference whether you use T3 or not.I have never used T3 with HGH EVER..and still get fantastic results.All my bro never use it either..many are higher level competitors than myself,some retired IFBB..like I said..none of us use it ,nor will we either.Honestly,I never heard this BS til I saw it posted by a few ppl in this forum...and I still think it total BS no matter who posts saying it's needed.My endo doesn't think so..nor does the Endo's that supervise all my bros///

~Pinnacle~

**Pinnacle** · 05-01-2006, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by goose4

You see I met a 5 year vet of HGH,he has done everything that is possible with HGH and swears that a small dose of T3 does nothing in his Experience,just a thought.

Cause he's right..that's why....he never subscribed to the bullshit you read on boards like this..

~Pinnacle~

**goose** · 05-01-2006, 01:30 PM

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**Pinnacle** · 05-01-2006, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by goose4

PINN ......................I love you bro....................great to see you around.....................

Wanna snuggle?

Great to see you as well my friend.I sent you a Pm also.

~Pinnacle~

**fred9** · 05-01-2006, 02:31 PM

uww i always thought HGH decreases T3...but i found 2 studies which are saying HGH administration increases T3...only prob is that 1st study is short term and second one wasnt used on humans..:

"University Department of Endocrinology and Metabolism, Aarhus County Hospital, Denmark.

We measured changes in serum insulin -like growth factor-1 (IGF-1), calcitriol, parathyroid hormone (PTH), thyroid hormones, insulin, and plasma glucagon in response to seven days of treatment with a pharmacological dosage of recombinant human growth hormone (r-hGH) (0.1 IU/kg sc twice daily) or placebo in 20 normal male volunteers to evaluate whether the effect of r-hGH on biochemical bone markers could be attributed to changes in these hormones. Serum IGF-1 (p < 0.001) and vitamin D-binding protein (p < 0.001) increased steadily during treatment returning to baseline at day 14. Total calcitriol (p < 0.01) and free calcitriol index (p < 0.001) increased transiently at day 4. Furthermore, serum insulin (p < 0.001) and both total (p < 0.001) and free triiodothyronine (p < 0.02) increased during treatment, while serum PTH and plasma glucagon remained unchanged. In conclusion, pharmacological doses of r-hGH increased not only IGF-1 but also free-calcitriol index, insulin, and free T3. The increase in these hormones may be co-responsible for some of the observed effects of r-hGH on bone turnover and calcium homeostasis"

"The role of GH and IGF-I in the control of reproduction, growth, and hormone secretion in domestic nutria was examined. In the first series of experiments, we studied the effects of single and multiple (daily for 20 days) injections of recombinant hGH (15 microg/animal) on plasma triiodothyronine (T3), thyroxine (T4), and progesterone (P) concentrations, as well as on the duration of pregnancy (time between start of mating and birth of pups), number of pups born, and body weight of adult females and their newborn pups. In the second series of experiments, the effects of single and multiple (daily for 28 days) injections of recombinant hIGF-I (1 microg/animal) on plasma IGF-I, IGFBP-3, T3, T4 concentrations, the duration of pregnancy, and number of offspring delivered were assessed. It was found that either single or multiple GH treatment resulted in significant increase in plasma T3, T4, but not P concentration. Furthermore, it significantly increased the body weight of adults and newborn pups. No influence of GH on the duration of pregnancy and the number of offspring was observed. IGF-I treatment caused an increase in plasma IGF-I concentration, a reduction in plasma IGFBP-3, T3, and T4 concentrations, and a shorter duration of pregnancy but did not alter the number of pups delivered. Our observations suggest that GH and IGF-I may be involved in the control of hormone secretion, growth, and reproduction in domestic nutria. Reproductive processes are controlled by IGF-I rather than by GH, whilst GH may be involved in the stimulation of prenatal and postnatal growth. The differential effects of these substances on thyroid hormones and reproductive parameters suggest that the actions of GH on these processes are probably not mediated by IGF-I."

**Pinnacle** · 05-01-2006, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by RedBaron

Looks like the original query has been pretty well covered already.

I am one of those 6-7 year HGH vets that have also tried about everything I could think of. With respect to T3, for the most part what has already been expressed as the experience of most I think holds true .... you aren't going to see any radical difference one way or the other. You can make a case for some small assist with protein synthesis, and potentially a small assist with weight loss, but nothing that is going to make or break an HGH cycle unless you have some underlying health issues to begin with.

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Right on RB!!!

I came back to this thread to see if you posted,plus to see if anyone would be bold enough to challenge my statements.I suppose the thread parrots decided to stay out oif this one.

~Pinnacle~