dose for 25 year old

**kdrkid81** · 05-08-2006, 08:20 PM

whats up guys, im 25, have done 7 cycles not really gonna lay them out but the one im on now is
test e 1-13 600 mg ew
eq 1-12 600 mg ew
tbol 1-7 80mg ed
var 7-15 60mg ed

basically my next cycle is going to be a hgh cycle. I plan on starting with 2 iu ed for weeks 1-4 then bump it by .5 iu every week till i hit my goal, my question is what should my goal be. I was thinking 5 iu ed but iv read alot that since i am in my mid 20's the dosage should be much higher. I want to run it for 8 months so please let me know what you feel my highest dosage should be. Also when running aas with hgh you only run 1 cycle at the begging?? nobody should run a cycle for 8 months straight so how is this worked?? If you follow the time on = time off that would basically leave you with one cycle per 8 months let me know

**Gear** · 05-08-2006, 09:29 PM

It's a tricky question. I have come across people your age that have used lower doses and were satisfied results wise. But genereally speaking, because of your age, most will say that you will need higher doses, perhaps aywhere between 5 and 8IU p/day. You won't know untill you try.

Even though a lot of people run AAS for extended period of time, I am still for running AAS for 3 months, having a break then running another AAS cycle for the same amount of time. If you run HGH for 8 months, 8 weeks into your HGH cycle start your AAS cycle for 3 months, have a break then you can start another one but by the time you are half way through that cycle you probably would have finished your HGH cycle anyway. It all depends on how much of a break you have.

-Gear

**kdrkid81** · 05-08-2006, 09:44 PM

thanks bro appriciate the advise, think im going to go with 5 or 6 iu ed starting at 2 working my way up

heres another question there are 3 protocols that i have seen 7 days a week shots 6 on 1 off and 5 on 2 off, which do you prefer, now should these protocols only begin once you have reached your max dosing of hgh or should they be used even when your on the up hill climb to you max??

**Gear** · 05-08-2006, 09:50 PM

Def start on a lower dose and increase if you feel the need to.

ED, 6/1 and 5/2 methods have all been found to be effective. They are the most common ways of using HGH. Which ever way you end using HGH, use it that way from start to end.

-Gear

**rodge** · 05-08-2006, 11:04 PM

i prefer 7/7 to start with to quickly elevate the igf-1 levels then after 3 months switch to 5/2.

-rodge

**IBdmfkr** · 05-08-2006, 11:13 PM

I'm 25 and have a little experience w/GH.

First ran it at 4IU/day 5on2off during cycle and through PCT.. Great for retaining gains.. not much else noticed.
Next time ran it at 10IU/day EOD during training days on cycle, currently on 5iu/day 6on1off during PCT and liking it.

I'll continue 6on1off up until next cycle where I'll switch to 10IU 4on4off to see the difference.

**kdrkid81** · 05-08-2006, 11:19 PM

how long did you run it at 4iu ed and 10 iu ed and what were your gains on the 10 iu ed??

**IBdmfkr** · 05-09-2006, 12:12 AM

4IU/day for approx. 6months. Serano serastem, great stuff!

10IU (Jino) EOD was run throughout my last cycle, I just felt as if It really helped shape me and keep me lean while on an extremely high calorie diet. Hard to say what I gained from the GH alone as I had many other compounds at work. I just liked the feel and look I got from running it w/the cycle. Hard to explain.

**Big Bapper** · 05-09-2006, 06:46 AM

At 25 I would start off slow as you have said and then go for the higher dose EOD. Meaning if you are going to run 5iu ED, I would say 10iu EOD would give you a better effect on building muscle at you age.

**kdrkid81** · 05-09-2006, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by Big Bapper

At 25 I would start off slow as you have said and then go for the higher dose EOD. Meaning if you are going to run 5iu ED, I would say 10iu EOD would give you a better effect on building muscle at you age.

hmm iv never heard this before can you give me some more info on this protocol?? why would it have a better effect on building muscle?? thanks

**Big Bapper** · 05-09-2006, 10:48 AM

It seems that younger people like yourself(25) need higher doses to achieve the same results as an older person would on the same dose for muscle gain. I would say anything lower than 6iu ED is only going to give you fat loss at your age. So if you were to go the EOD route you would get the benefit of muscle gain from your GH and then on your off days you would benefit from your own natural GH, Dosing EOD would also be less supperive on your own natural GH.

**testosterona** · 05-09-2006, 08:39 PM

so your saying that he should run eod? BD, you did this too? i thought that the GH was oonly active for around 2hrs or so? wouldn't it be better to keep levels more stable shooting ed in the AM?

**IBdmfkr** · 05-10-2006, 12:22 AM

You aren't aiming at keeping GH levels stable as your body produces pulses of GH so you'd want to replicate them for optimum growth IMO...

I run it 6on1off during PCT and maintainance as I'm not looking for muscle growth but to rather preserve the muscle gained. During cycle I prefer EOD dosing at a higher dosage as BigB said.

**fred9** · 05-10-2006, 01:07 AM

Originally Posted by Big Bapper

It seems that younger people like yourself(25) need higher doses to achieve the same results as an older person would on the same dose for muscle gain. I would say anything lower than 6iu ED is only going to give you fat loss at your age. So if you were to go the EOD route you would get the benefit of muscle gain from your GH and then on your off days you would benefit from your own natural GH, Dosing EOD would also be less supperive on your own natural GH.

why should younger people need more GH for muscle gain? Older people produces natural less GH so its those people who need a little more in comparison to the youg ones.

**GreenLantern12** · 05-10-2006, 02:46 AM

Originally Posted by fred9

why should younger people need more GH for muscle gain? Older people produces natural less GH so its those people who need a little more in comparison to the youg ones.

I think this is namely to see results. If your not producing any HGH or very little and you start using 2 iu's a day your going to see alot better results than someone who is younger and producing alot of HGH already.

**Big Bapper** · 05-10-2006, 06:20 AM

Originally Posted by fred9

why should younger people need more GH for muscle gain? Older people produces natural less GH so its those people who need a little more in comparison to the youg ones.

Younger people produce more GH, so I guess your body is used to having GH present. So IMO you need a higher dose of GH to achieve the same results in regards to LBM gain than an older person who produces less GH. Meaning a older person is producing less GH so needs less to get the same results. I have tried many ways of using GH ED, EOD, 5on/2off, 6 on/1off. Now at 29 I am trying 12iu every third day and so far I am liking the results allot better that the 6iu 5on/2off that I was using.

**Big Bapper** · 05-10-2006, 06:23 AM

Originally Posted by IBdmfkr

You aren't aiming at keeping GH levels stable as your body produces pulses of GH so you'd want to replicate them for optimum growth IMO...

I run it 6on1off during PCT and maintainance as I'm not looking for muscle growth but to rather preserve the muscle gained. During cycle I prefer EOD dosing at a higher dosage as BigB said.

Thanks for the reply thats is it explained as best it can.

**IBdmfkr** · 05-10-2006, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by Big Bapper

Younger people produce more GH, so I guess your body is used to having GH present. So IMO you need a higher dose of GH to achieve the same results in regards to LBM gain than an older person who produces less GH. Meaning a older person is producing less GH so needs less to get the same results. I have tried many ways of using GH ED, EOD, 5on/2off, 6 on/1off. Now at 29 I am trying 12iu every third day and so far I am liking the results allot better that the 6iu 5on/2off that I was using.

E3D is an interesting concept. May have to try that in the future, let us know how it goes BigB. What would you suggest for someone younger, possibly 15IU E3D?

**Big Bapper** · 05-10-2006, 09:43 AM

Will keep you posted IBdmfkr. Well at 29 I am running 12iu E3D, dont think I would advice any more at this stage, but have been reading and researching about certain Pros using 24iu all in one go twice a week. Now I am not advising anyone try this and dont want to get flamed, just trying to find out what separates the winners and the also runs apart from genetics. Now I tried 12iu all in one go before bed after taking a week off from GH just out of interest and found it no different than using 4iu before bed.

**fred9** · 05-10-2006, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Big Bapper

Younger people produce more GH, so I guess your body is used to having GH present. So IMO you need a higher dose of GH to achieve the same results in regards to LBM gain than an older person who produces less GH. Meaning a older person is producing less GH so needs less to get the same results. I have tried many ways of using GH ED, EOD, 5on/2off, 6 on/1off. Now at 29 I am trying 12iu every third day and so far I am liking the results allot better that the 6iu 5on/2off that I was using.

Originally Posted by GreenLantern12

I think this is namely to see results. If your not producing any HGH or very little and you start using 2 iu's a day your going to see alot better results than someone who is younger and producing alot of HGH already.

ah ok thanks for the input...never thought about it that way..

**doittoit** · 05-10-2006, 03:58 PM

I am about 2 weeks into my first run with hgh. I'm not following any set protocol. First week was 4iu ED one shot before bed. Now I'm trying 8iu eod, and 12iu e3d, all in one shot before bed. I also found no difference than 4iu, but it also really early so I'm not expecting much yet. I'm on test/igf@80mcg as well. I'm the fullest ive ever been, but that is prolly from the igf. Ill keep u guys posted.