IGF-1 LR3: dilemma

**warlock** · 05-17-2006, 07:07 AM

Hi guys,

I just finished a competition and am about to start the postcycle. I am going to use some IGF-1 LR3 at 40 mcg for about 4 weeks to maintan gains and then will do 4 weeks of slin and switch back to lr3.

My question is about the fact that I will only be training 3 times a week and plan on using the lr3 postworkout. Should I up the dose to 60 or 80 mcg as I will only be using it postworkout 3 times a week? Or should I use the 40 mcg postworkout and use another 40 mcg before breakfast the days I do not work out?

How should I do it keeping in mind I will only be working out 3 times a week? Take a highger dose and use it only postworkout 3 times a week or use about 40 mcg everyday ( postworkout when I train and before breakfast on nonworkout days)?

I used lr3 before with good results at 40 mcg postworkout 4-5 times week.

Any input would be great!!

Thanks a lot

**IBdmfkr** · 05-17-2006, 07:35 AM

I'd spend the money elsewhere personally. Clen would be a better choice IMO for holding muscle gain and losing a bit of BF. Your diet/rest/training intensity will be the most important factor when coming off, besides PCT protocol ofcourse.

**goose** · 05-17-2006, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by IBdmfkr

I'd spend the money elsewhere personally. Clen would be a better choice IMO for holding muscle gain and losing a bit of BF. Your diet/rest/training intensity will be the most important factor when coming off, besides PCT protocol ofcourse.

Agreed 100%......Clen at 160 just destroys IGF.......

**IBdmfkr** · 05-17-2006, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by goose4

Agreed 100%......Clen at 160 just destroys IGF.......

Could you explain that Goose, very interesting..

**GearIdentity** · 05-17-2006, 08:06 AM

IMO, I agree that LR3 is overrated but to go as far to say that clen is better at holding gains and burning fat is crazy. LR3 is great for holding gains post cycle and depending on the quality of your igf-1 you might need anything between 40mcg-100mcg. To burn fat high doses of t-3 with 80mcg-100mcg of LR3 ed with high protein is way better than clen in protecting muscle and burning fat.

**rodge** · 05-17-2006, 08:35 AM

IBD i responded to your response but accidenticly i came as if i edited your post,sorry.

-rodge

**rodge** · 05-17-2006, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by IBdmfkr

I'd spend the money elsewhere personally. Clen would be a better choice IMO for holding muscle gain and losing a bit of BF. Your diet/rest/training intensity will be the most important factor when coming off, besides PCT protocol ofcourse.

loosing bf% is'nt his prime goal i assume as he has just competed.

-rodge

**goose** · 05-17-2006, 08:44 AM

To hold gains after a cycle the most Crucial thing is a tight PCT and the Support of a intricate diet schedule that many people dont quite understand,I increase my protein intake by 70G for defence.With IGF it`s clear the optimal doses are 80-120 per day,no need to go Higher as it does not improve results only an increase of heavy sides.Now doses less than 80 are a waste of money,hence,clen in this situcation is far Superior.This means to run a decent IGF cycle you need 500$ to loose about 1% of BF% which can be done by an aggressive cardio and clen programe in this time frame.Clen is a very effective repartitioning agent,and this is what it`s most often used for in athletic circles,it will increase your ratio of fat free mass.This is the insane thing I have noticed with IGF as Opposed with clen,now I dont have huge experience with IGF and have to admit I`m very pleased about this,the weight you loose with IGF comes back very fast,unlike clen when the weight you loose seems more permanent.Now we all know IGF does not increase LBM (I hope)..............

**Gear** · 05-17-2006, 08:47 AM

warlock,

Congrats on your comp, hope you did well.

If you have just competed then you probably want to take it easy for a bit. I wouldn't be worried about using any drugs at this stage as you'll probably put heaps of weight back on naturally. That's what usually happens right after you compete anyway. I don't want to mention fat burning at this stage either because I'm assuming you would still be pretty lean.

So if I were you, and I just competed, I wouldn't use any drugs at all. I would see how much weight I can put on naturally, and once you start struggling, then I would look into using whatever has worked well in the past for you (IGFLR3 in your case). So I suggest you use LR3 again.

All the best.

-Gear

**Gear** · 05-17-2006, 08:57 AM

Hold on, when you say "you are about to start your "post cycle", do you mean PCT? Or a cycle right after your comp? If you are in the PCT stage then LR3 would be a good option. I'm still unsure if you are coming of a cycle or if you have bean clean for a while and about start a cycle.

-Gear

**warlock** · 05-17-2006, 09:44 AM

Thanks for your replies guys but I my question did not quite get answered yet. lol I guess I did not explain what I wanted so well :-)

Ok, I am about to start my pct with clomid and HCG so my idea is to add some lr3 to keep as many of the gains as possible. I am not going to take clen as I took it for quite a few weeks prior to show. Perhaps I will also take t3( 1/2 pill).

So, my question is, if I am only going to train only 3 days a week, How should I use the lr3? Should I use the lr3 at 40-50 mcg postworkout only during those 3 training days? Or should I also use it at 40 mcg or so on nonworkout days before breakfast as 3 times a week might not be enough? or would it be better to use a higher dose like 80-100 mcg only those 3 days after working out? Do I use it every day or just on workout days? Usually most of you use it on workout days but I will only be training 3 times a week so I wonder if that is enough to see some gains.

I used lr3 with good results at 40 mcg in the past ( 4 or 5 times a week). My goal is to keep myself in decent shape and not get too fat. Obviously the diet will be in check.

I would appreciate any input you could give me :-)

Thanks a lot guys.

**GearIdentity** · 05-17-2006, 09:48 AM

I believe that he did state that he wil be using LR3 as part of his pct protocol and I dont think that clen will be as effective as LR3 in either PCT or for fat burning purposes. I dont like clen at all, bad news for my heart. I pay around $160.00 for 3mg of generic LR3 that will last me 30 days at 100mcg per day. IMO, much better stuff than all the preconstituted LR3 available from research companies.

**IBdmfkr** · 05-17-2006, 10:31 AM

Seeing as rat insulin (IGFLR3) doesn't go over well with me I'll just comment on the rest of his post.

I would suggest against using T3 during any PCT as it will tear into LBM and if you just competed I don't see why you'd need to lose BF. Have you thought about running HGH?

Btw, I'm not a big fan of clen either as I think the sides are worse than the benefits, but atleast you know what you're taking.

**goose** · 05-17-2006, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by IBdmfkr

Seeing as rat insulin (IGFLR3) doesn't go over well with me I'll just comment on the rest of his post.

I would suggest against using T3 during any PCT as it will tear into LBM and if you just competed I don't see why you'd need to lose BF. Have you thought about running HGH?

Btw, I'm not a big fan of clen either as I think the sides are worse than the benefits, but atleast you know what you're taking.

This is it!!!!!!!! What is safer? You never know it,but DNP could be the safest

This is why I`m still a mug with diet and my plan for 06 is to perfect food consumption.....What did Arnie say...it`s 70% diet.....15% ASS.....15% training.Who wants rat rat insulin?

**warlock** · 05-17-2006, 01:17 PM

Thanks.

Any more specific answers as to how I should run the lr3 with my pct keeping in mind I will only be training 3 times a week? Should I inject it also on nonworkout days upon waking up?

I will also be taking 2 Iu of GH. I have been taking 4 Iu for about 4 months now.

Thanks

**GearIdentity** · 05-17-2006, 04:18 PM

I would run the LR3 ed, first thing in the AM on nontraining days and pw on training days.

**warlock** · 05-17-2006, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by GearIdentity

I would run the LR3 ed, first thing in the AM on nontraining days and pw on training days.

Thanks a lot. I might do that.

Any more opinions?

***JohnnyB*** · 05-17-2006, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by GearIdentity

I would run the LR3 ed, first thing in the AM on nontraining days and pw on training days.

Amen, that's what I'd do as well. Drop the HCG , HCG during PCT isn't a good idea, here's why.

HCG mimics LH, the last thing you want, is a drug telling your body that it already has LH. The whole idea behind PCT is to get your LH going, to get started, producing your natural testosterone . If the HCG is mimicking LH, it's sending a signal, that the body already has LH, so the nolva and/or clomid won't do it's job because the body thinks it already has LH.

Grant it HCG will get your test levels up, but when you stop the PCT (with HCG), the nolva and/or clomid wouldn't of done what it was supposed to do, because the body thought it already had LH. So once it's stopped (pct with hcg), the possibility of a crash is pretty high. Reason being, the nolva and/or clomid didn't stimulate the production of LH, why? The body was telling itself it had LH already (because of the HCG), so there was no need to stimulate any new LH.

So I say, drop the HCG in your PCT and add the LR3, use it PWO, on training days, before breakfast on none training days.

JohnnyB

**kungen1234** · 05-18-2006, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Amen, that's what I'd do as well. Drop the HCG , HCG during PCT isn't a good idea, here's why.

HCG mimics LH, the last thing you want, is a drug telling your body that it already has LH. The whole idea behind PCT is to get your LH going, to get started, producing your natural testosterone . If the HCG is mimicking LH, it's sending a signal, that the body already has LH, so the nolva and/or clomid won't do it's job because the body thinks it already has LH.

Grant it HCG will get your test levels up, but when you stop the PCT (with HCG), the nolva and/or clomid wouldn't of done what it was supposed to do, because the body thought it already had LH. So once it's stopped (pct with hcg), the possibility of a crash is pretty high. Reason being, the nolva and/or clomid didn't stimulate the production of LH, why? The body was telling itself it had LH already (because of the HCG), so there was no need to stimulate any new LH.

So I say, drop the HCG in your PCT and add the LR3, use it PWO, on training days, before breakfast on none training days.

JohnnyB

I'll have to agree with you with the way your formulated your response. HCG during PCT is a bad idea, but HCG just prior to HCG is a totally different thing. LH will do its job once it starts getting released by the hypothalamus, but if there arent that many leydig cells to speak of that will become the bottleneck of your problem.

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/article...ael-scally.htm