How good is IGF in PCT for KEEPING gains ?

**needbigguns** · 08-24-2006, 03:18 AM

How effecting is IGF in PCT for keeping gains ? is it as good as they hype ?

**Zelos** · 08-24-2006, 03:53 AM

i don't think so , as i read igf is long acting in time .
The effects of IGF will come months after ....
If it's the case will be not a good pct .

**AleX-69** · 08-24-2006, 04:24 AM

I am using IGF-1 for PCT right now. 50mcg PWO bi-lateraly IM.

I opted for it due to several reasons:

1) It primes the body for my next AAS cycle by creating new muscle cells.
2) It is supposed that IGF-1 brings your testicles up faster.
3) IGF-1 is supposed to fight cortisol.
4) IGF-1 i supposed to burn bodyfat.
5) IGF-1 should keep me in a somewhat anabolic state despite the fact i am not using AAS and NOT hindering my recovery.

I am 4 days into PCT now and still feeling great. Especially the pumps are worth mentioning. Moreover i think i already look leaner. Might be all in my head though. time will tell.

**Property of Steroid.com** · 08-24-2006, 08:47 AM

Used in states of hypogonadism (like pct), IGF has proven to be anti-catabolic, and will help for keeping gains.

*Recombinant human growth hormone and recombinant human insulin -like growth factor I diminish the catabolic effects of hypogonadism in man: metabolic and molecular effects.
J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2001 May;86(5):2211-9.

**sheltonn** · 08-24-2006, 09:13 AM

I am 1 week into my PCT and I have been doing shots in my shoulders (pre-workout due to convenience). It still feels like I am on. My shoulders are growing like crazy and I am having no muscle soreness at all. Pumps are pretty good also.

**Zelos** · 08-24-2006, 10:16 AM

for those people which use it as pct , how much tou take it ?

**Triposinator** · 08-24-2006, 11:27 AM

60, then 80 mcg PWO is what I did - and PCT is a very chaotic period, so its very hard to isolate whether IGF really did much. I don't think it hurt, and it was only a few hundered bucks.

Originally Posted by Zelos

for those people which use it as pct , how much tou take it ?

**AleX-69** · 08-24-2006, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by AleX-69

I am using IGF-1 for PCT right now. 50mcg PWO bi-lateraly IM.

Alex

**stocky121** · 08-24-2006, 01:45 PM

is IGF1 a good addition to PCT yes

will it keep most of your gains no

people dont seem to relise that diet is the main point in PCT then a PCT you can add igf1 or slin or something along those lines into your PCT regime but dont expect to take IGF1 and think i dont need to keep my diet and training in check i can just slack and i dont need any clomid or nolva or an AI.

**AleX-69** · 08-25-2006, 04:05 AM

Originally Posted by stocky121

is IGF1 a good addition to PCT yes

will it keep most of your gains no

people dont seem to relise that diet is the main point in PCT then a PCT you can add igf1 or slin or something along those lines into your PCT regime but dont expect to take IGF1 and think i dont need to keep my diet and training in check i can just slack and i dont need any clomid or nolva or an AI.

yeah thats a good point.. Attempting PCT without Ai and SERM is plain stupid!

One thing to add. Yesterday i injected 30mcg IGF-1LR3 PRE-WO in my delts bi lateral (so 60mcg in total) (delt day

) and afterwards ate two bananas and headed to the gym.
That was by far the best training session i had. Not strenght wise but pump wise. Those pumps were simply insane and my delts felt as though they were popping out of my t-shirt every seccond.

**Stumbo** · 08-25-2006, 04:09 AM

My PCT go much better with IGF, if its just placebo, i dont care!

**Carlito B** · 08-25-2006, 05:13 AM

IGF-1Lr3 does work but I see many expect it to work as if it was trenbolone and is not !

IGF-1 is best used during PCT to help maintain strength and size.

IGF-1 can be injected sub-q for a more direct overall systemic effect which has a more pronnounced fat loss effect.

When using REAL igf-1 and at dosages of at least 60mcgs ( and that is too low as i always use 100mcgs daily ) you will experience and not IMMEDIATELY like some expect it but within week#2 or #3 after treatmet started :

insane pumps
increased vascularity
increased lean mass
increased strength
increased fat burning effect

The fact that is Lr3 does not mean it takes time to take effect but it means its active life is extended up to 48 hours ( i may be wrong on the correct time but is close ) and of course it will not take effect until it builds up in your body and this takes time just like any other drug or supplement.

Here are my favortie stack for IGF-1:

Test and IGF-1lr3 ( low dose of 40mcgs to 60mcgs daily )
Test, IGF-1 , GH and T3
Trenbolone and IGF-1 ( for cutting )

IGF-1Lr3 and MGF
This last one goes hand in hand and whiel the MGF is helping produce new cell stems (baby cells - hyperplasia ) the igf-1 is helping mature those new cells ( hyperthrophy )

Thanks,

C

**Zelos** · 08-25-2006, 05:18 AM

there are a lot of different opinion on how to use of igf1 as i see , and it's far to help us

Carlito , how many time you use it ?

**Carlito B** · 08-25-2006, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by Zelos

there are a lot of different opinion on how to use of igf1 as i see , and it's far to help us

Carlito , how many time you use it ?

hello,

I've been using igf-1 for maybe 2 years now.

I use it for no more than 50 days or at least 4 weeks.

Thanks,

C

**Zelos** · 08-25-2006, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by Carlito B

hello,

I've been using igf-1 for maybe 2 years now.

I use it for no more than 50 days or at least 4 weeks.

Thanks,

C

thanks for the answer

so you only use it for pct ?

**Travbedaman** · 08-28-2006, 08:17 PM

These are posts by "Grunt76" who is a moderator over at ***, he sheds much light about IGF.

Let's start with what we want, then see where that leads us. What do we want? Bigger muscles. More muscle cells that we will later grow with exercise and gear. A pump? Fatloss? Yeah, right. You can get a pump with a good "pump" product for a quarter of the price of IGF-1. Fatloss? Clen /Alb and T3/T4 will give it to you again at a fraction of the price of IGF-1. More muscle cells, you can ONLY get with IGF-1 (and MGF too). Nothing else will give it to you and if you are using IGF-1 for anything else (PCT), you are misusing it. More muscle cells is CLEARLY the best use for IGF-1.

What does all this tell us?

It tells us that we should use IGF-1 to make more muscle cells. It's the only thing that can give it to us and more cells is more growth, which is our goal.

What does this tell us?

The localized effects are the best. Long R3 IGF-1 can float around your body and attach to anything that has IGF-1 receptors. The intestines is the place that has the MOST IGF-1 receptors and it also happens to have lots of blood flow. Injecting large amounts of Long R3 ENSURES that you are growing your intestines. Remember, more cells doesn't equal more size right away. Wait a bit, and see them grow.

What does this mean?

It means that if you are injecting upwards of 50mcg of IGF-1 you are growing your intestines. Yes you are also growing muscle and you may be getting leaner in the process. Your waistline looks trimmer. Nice. A few months down the line, your new intestinal cells will be of their full adult size and you will have acquired the perma-bloat look. Guaranteed. Maybe not Coleman-size perma-gut, but SOME perma-gut and it will keep growing. Guaranteed. Just as your new muscle cells can keep growing and growing IF you pin IGF-1 in a way to maximize new muscle cell creation.

HOW?

Heavy resistance exercise strongly upregulates the IGF-1 receptors on the stressed muscle. That means that after your workout, the muscles you trained are at their BEST STATE for receiving IGF-1 and growing many new cells. That's when you pin. This upregulation of IGF-1 receptor during exercise is short-lived. The science is not readily available so I am unable to quote a paper, but within 60 minutes of the last set, the receptors are back at baseline. This means, PIN IMMEDIATELY POSTWORKOUT and you will get your new muscle cells. PIN A LESSER AMOUNT and you will get only new MUSCLE cells out of your IGF-1. Pin more and you will grow other things, including stuff you wish you didn't grow.

40mcg is plenty. We have to realize that this is a huge amount compared to what the body naturally produces. Maybe we can ask TheGame46 who is working on his master's degree in endocrinology what the actual amount produced by a normal human, say even with exercise, but it's probably something less than 1mcg.

How much should I shoot post workout?

40mcg is plenty. We have to realize that this is a huge amount compared to what the body naturally produces. Maybe we can ask TheGame46 who is working on his master's degree in endocrinology what the actual amount produced by a normal human, say even with exercise, but it's probably something less than 1mcg.

20mcg each side. That's plenty. Now, you won't see major, immediate LBM increases, but THAT IS NOT WHAT IGF-1 IS FOR. That's what AAS are for. 40-50mcg total will let you get plenty of hyperplasia, not grow your intestines too much, and save you plenty of $. The newly added muscle cells will take months to grow, but they will, and you will use IGF-1 again because it gets reasonably inexpensive with such a protocol.

Another thing: much of the newer research shows that EOD and even E3D igf-1 treatment is better than ED because ED downregulates the receptors too quick. It takes some time for receptors to be able to come back in full after a megadose of even 20mcg of IGF-1. So you may want to think about switching to EOD lifting and IGF-1 immediately postworkout every workout, or 2on/1off and pin the lagging muscle E3D. These dosing patterns won't give you pounds of immediate muscle, but they will give you hyperplasia, which means continued growth at very decent rates, and the ability to continue treatment for a long while until response diminishes.

And no Coleman guts.