Waxy maize starch and Vitargo

[jerseyboy]

I've just started using waxy maize starch ( wms ) in the form of Vitargo made by Nutrex in place of dextrose for my post slin carb. I was looking for an alternative to glucose because of the bloating it causes. I did a search but didn't find much on this board but on others wms and vitargo are getting alot of attention. I'd like to get some opinions especially from "Gear" since in past threads I've read that you weren't too familiar with Vitargo and still swearing by dextrose and malto. The problem I've had as well as others is that the dex causes bloating and makes it difficult to stomach a PPWO meal. The wms is through your system so fast it seems to eliminate this problem. Here is a great post about wms by Troponin (one of the top nutritionist in the industry):

"It has been standard practice for many years for serious athletes to consume a high carbohydrate meal following intense exercise. As time has gone on, this post exercise meal has been scrutinized, and analyzed make sure that the correct type of carbohydrates are eaten to maximize the replacement of glycogen lost during exercise.

After exercise that ***letes the body of it’s glycogen stores, an enzyme called glycogen synthetase is produced in elevated quantities by the body to help restore glycogen levels that have been ***leted from the exercise. Typical rates of glycogen resynthesis after short term, high intensity exercise are much higher than glycogen resynthesis rates following prolonged, lower intensity exercise. This is largely due to the fact that fast twitch muscle fibers are used more heavily in short term, high intensity exercise, and fast twitch fibers have a higher level of glycogen synthetase activity than slow-twitch fibers. (4)
This means that the body has a greater need, and a greater ability to restore glycogen levels after short term, high intensity training, which is exactly what weight training for bodybuilding purposes is.

It is widely known that it is important to get carbohydrates into your system soon after weight training. One reason is, studies show that delaying the ingestion of a carbohydrate supplement post exercise will result in a reduced rate of muscle glycogen storage. (3) Largely because of this fact, it has become standard practice to ingest a sugary carbohydrate source following exercise. A "sugar" is defined as any of a class of water-soluble crystalline carbohydrates, including sucrose and lactose, having a characteristically sweet taste and classified as monosaccharides, disaccharides, and trisaccharides. (9) It was quickly noted by those in the know that not all sugars are created equal. For example, one monosaccharide called fructose has often been given, an arguably undeserving, bad rap for it’s propensity to restore liver glycogen levels when muscle glycogen restoration is the goal.

The Glycemic Index (GI index) was developed to give a number to carbohydrate rich foods based on how quickly they enter the blood stream. The higher the GI, the more quickly it will enter the bloodstream and raise insulin levels. Insulin is the "bus" that helps shuttle all the nutrients to your muscle and other cells of the body. The highest GI food is glucose, with a GI of 100. With this information, D-glucose (Dextrose), quickly became the carbohydrate of choice for use post workout.

What all this is saying is what everyone already knows. After a workout, it is important to take in fast acting protein and carbs to begin repairing and rebuilding your hard earned muscle. But, what if there was a way to improve this practice?

Recently, a new player has emerged in the post workout carbohydrate war, high molecular weight carbohydrates. High molecular weight carbohydrates (HMW) have shown great promise in recent studies in a wide range of post workout benefits.


The words most often thrown out when talking about HMW carbohydrates are "gastric emptying" and "osmolality." These terms essentially go hand in hand with each other. Osmolality, often confused with osmolarity, affects the transport of water and other solutes over the cell membranes. (10) Osmolality is essentially based around the specific osmolality of the blood, which is 280-303 mOsm/kg in humans. A solute that has the same osmolality of blood is said to be isotonic. A solute that has a lower osmolality than blood is hypotonic. The more hypotonic a solution is, the quicker it passes through the stomach into the small intestine where the bulk of energy uptake occurs. (11) Basically, a very low osmolality means it will get to your precious muscle as fast as possible.

The higher the molecular weight of a carbohydrate, the lower it’s osmolality. The lower the molecular weight of a carbohydrate, the higher it’s osmolality. So, a carbohydrate’s molecular weight varies inversely to its osmolality. Knowing this, you can begin to more closely appreciate the difference between HMW carbohydrates and Dextrose. The molecular weight of the typical HMW carbohydrate that is marketed today has a molecular weight of 500,000-700,000. The molecular weight of Dextrose is approximately 180. (11) This stat helps quantify the difference between the two carb sources.
The Osmolality of said HMW carbohydrate is 11 mOsm/kg in a 5% solution., which is considerably lower than the osmolality of blood at 300 mOsm/kg. With an osmolality that low, the HMW carbohydrate is extremely hypotonic, and we know that the more hypotonic a solution is, the quicker it passes through the stomach into the small intestine.(11) This means that the world of carbohydrates, the HMW carbohydrate is a Ferrari Enzo, and Dextrose is your mother’s Buick Skylark.

In fact, one popular HMW carbohydrate drink has been shown to pass through the stomach 80% faster than dextrose, allowing restoration of glycogen 70% faster than any other carbohydrate.(13) How would you like to like to start rebuilding muscle 70% sooner than you already are after a workout? One study on the subject showed that the mean glycogen synthesis rate was significantly higher for a HMW carbohydrate drink compared to a glucose drink for 2 hours after ingestion, with the scientists coming to the conclusion that "the osmolality of the carbohydrate drink may influence the rate of resynthesis of glycogen in muscle after its ***letion by exercise."(6) What the scientists are saying can be paraphrased as "a HMW carbohydrate will get to your muscles faster than the carbohydrate you’re using now." These studies showed that blood sugar levels and insulin levels were not statistically significantly different the HMW carbohydrate and the glucose. So, despite being a complex carbohydrate, compared to the sugary Dextrose, the HMW carbohydrate was still raising insulin at about the same level as Dextrose. So, at this point, what we’re dealing with is something that powers through the stomach, leaving you with no bloated feeling, reaching the point of digestion at mach speeds, reaches the blood stream as fast as Dextrose, but restores glycogen 70% faster. Sounds too good to be true? It gets better.


What this all leads towards is that the Osmolality of HMW carbohydrates can potentially speed up the rate of glycogen synthesis post workout, as well as increase the uptake of vital nutrients added to the HMW carbohydrate drink. That’s right, all the stuff you’ve been taking after your workout, in the hopes of getting it to the muscle, can be sucked up right along with the HMW carbohydrate, faster than ever before. The only problem is, any amino based nutrient (protein, amino acids, creatine, etc.) has a much lower molecular weight than the HMW carbohydrate, so when adding other nutrients you must consider the effect those nutrients will have on the total molecular weight of the mix. So, at least in theory, too much protein, creatine, and other nutrients can take away some of its benefits.

For this reason, it is my belief that added amino based nutrients should be kept to a minimum during ingestion of a HMW carbohydrate drink. My current recommendations for a 200lb bodybuilder are 75g of a HMW carbohydrate mixed with 5g creatine, 8g L-leucine, and 5-10g of BCAA’s. Since we’re trying to keep extra nutrients to a minimum, we are focusing on select nutrients that give us the most "bang for our buck." L-leucine has been shown in studies to be the specific amino acid to "switch on" protein synthesis. And all of the Branched Chain Amino Acids (BCAA’s) have been shown to be preferentially taken up by skeletal muscle. Creatine has been shown in many studies to provide many benefits to bodybuilders. This means that the "best" amino acids will be available as quickly as possible to trigger muscle growth, and decrease catabolism.

This meal should be followed approximately 15-30min later with a meal containing protein and complex carbohydrates, preferably a fast digesting liquid protein such as a whey isolate, and some complex carbohydrates.

If you understand the make up of your muscle mass, you will learn that there is much more to the muscle than just contractile tissue. A large portion of your muscle mass area is made up of things besides muscle. There is water, glycogen, minerals, blood vessels, capillaries, etc., etc. By using these HMW carbohydrate powders, you can quickly draw the carbohydrate up into your muscles, along with water, and the cell volumizing nutrients you take along with it. With the faster glycogen restoration, you can decrease catabolism after a workout, and speed up the potential for synthesizing protein as new muscle. In plain English, the result is more muscle."

[Maroubra]

jersey,

Are you using insulin with waxy maize? I have only been drinking dex when taking insulin myself. I stick to oats and whey pwo at other times. Do you think that a waxy not only reduces bloat, but is actually better than dex? That article is very pursuasive. Its seems like a crazy protocol to take the vita with leucine, creatine and bcaa's then another meal/shake with complex carbs then another pppwo meal (?) hours later. You actually doing this and with what results? Does all this really really make a huge difference?

[jerseyboy]

Yes, as I said I'm using the Vitargo in place of my dextrose post slin injection for the past couple days. It's much easier to stomach and leaves room for not only my protein 15 minutes later but my PWO meal an hour after that. That article is pretty hard reading but I posted it for Gear since he'll probably understand the deeper aspects of it better than myself but the point of it really was that the waxy maize with a higher glycemic index will absorb into the bloodstream and restore glycogen faster and pass through the stomach easier. You can get just straight waxy maize starch but I could not find it locally so I opted for the Vitargo which also has creatine. Here is some details about it.

"The fusion of Creatine with Vitargo® as seen in Vitargo-CGLTM marks the most significant advance in creatine technology. Vitargo® is a newly developed and patented sugar-free high molecular weight carbohydrate from Sweden that is revolutionizing the way we take creatine. Vitargo® has been clinically tested in Europe at the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm, Sweden and it possesses such unique characteristics that you will never again consume creatine by itself, or in any combination with sugars like dextrose or maltodextrin. Vitargo-CGLTM by Nutrex is pure dynamite.

Vitargo-CGLTM acts like a pump, pulling creatine and water along with it into the bloodstream, thus synchronizing creatine and insulin levels for maximum creatine transport to the muscles. This avoids a premature insulin spike as seen in creatine/dextrose formulas, where dextrose is absorbed faster than creatine. More creatine can now be transported to the muscles resulting in significantly better muscle and strength gains as compared to non-Vitargo® creatine formulas.

Vitargo® restores muscle energy (glycogen) 70% faster than dextrose, thus superhydrating the muscles cells in record time. No other creatine product in the world makes you recover quicker from your workouts and puts you into an anabolic , muscle-building state faster, than Vitargo-CGLTM. Vitargo-CGLTM is the perfect post-workout creatine supplement. Vitargo® passes through the stomach 80% faster than dextrose, thus eliminating the risk of stomach discomfort as often seen in creatine/dextrose formulas. There is no loss of creatine due to diarrhea, no stomach cramping and no bloated feeling with Vitargo-CGLTM. Since Vitargo-CGLTM is absorbed so rapidly it can easily be consumed directly before or even during workouts without upsetting your stomach!

Vitargo® is as potent in stimulating insulin as dextrose, yet it is completely sugar-free. No need to ever consume creatine products overloaded with simple sugars like dextrose. Look at your current creatine label and compare it's sugar content to Vitargo-CGLTM. Does your creatine product contain 20, 30, 50 or even 75 grams of sugar per serving? Vitargo-CGLTM has ZERO sugar and yet it stimulates the same massive insulin spike needed for maximum creatine transport as 75 grams of sugar do."

[Gear]

jerseyboy,

Hi, and thank you for posting that. Quite interesting I must say. However, I do have one thing to add.

I understand what the article is trying to say. This stuff speeds right through your stomach, basically leaving you with the "empty" feeling, which is the key for the ones that don't like the bloated feeling. Sounds good. It also states that it gets to your muscle cells faster than any other carbohydrate. This also is a good thing as that's excatly what we need PWO.

However, it also states that any additional nutrients such as amino acids can effect the benefits stated above. This obviously means you shouldn't take your aminos together with this stuff (unless you take the amount "they" recomend). But what about the ones that take more aminos than what they recomend? Once you have consumed this "extra fast acting stuff", how long do you have to wait till you can take aminos? You def want to take aminos PWO as they play an important role around that time. If this stuff goes through your at such a fast rate and gets digested faster than any other carbohydrate, I imagine you shouldn't have to wait too long til you can take additional nutrients without effecting the speed rate of this stuff. So that's one thing I am curious about because not everybody takes the amount of aminos stated in that article. I know many that take much more, not to mention how much athletes at a professional level take (eg, BBers). I also don't like keeping my aminos to a minimum either. I always like to ensure I've had plenty because I know how important they are to my body.

Sounds good mate. Thanx for posting that.

-Gear

[Gear]

jersey,

Are you using insulin with waxy maize? I have only been drinking dex when taking insulin myself. I stick to oats and whey pwo at other times. Do you think that a waxy not only reduces bloat, but is actually better than dex? That article is very pursuasive. Its seems like a crazy protocol to take the vita with leucine, creatine and bcaa's then another meal/shake with complex carbs then another pppwo meal (?) hours later. You actually doing this and with what results? Does all this really really make a huge difference?

Look, I read articles like this all the time. And it sounds all legit because it says this stuff has been put to the test. If all this is true then this stuff may very well be more beneficial than dextrose as it is digested at a faster rate. I just don't like the fact that you canot mix additional nutrients with it (unless those nutrients are "their" recomended amount), otherwise it will effect the benefits of this stuff. That's one big downfall because additional nutrients such as aminos play a huge role PWO.

-Gear

[jerseyboy]

Good points Gear. Thanks for your input. I'll have to do some more research to find some answers. Right now I'm still taking in my protein 15 minutes after the Vitargo then first PWO meal an hour later. So far I haven't had a problem with hypo symptoms which was a concern since I knew just how much dex I needed and when after my slin shot. Plus my stomach feels much better which was really the point. Like I said the Vitargo is a brand name. Pure waxy maize starch I believe is just a cooking ingredient. This company just added Creatine and slapped a label on it.

[abrick]

I just started the vitargo myself....it was recomended by a local BB after I told him I started using slin. He swears by it...its only been a few days for me so far, no problems ....just thought I'd throw that out there

[Gear]

Can someone give me a link to the product? I did a search but I see there are many Vitargo products.

-Gear

[deeeeeeep]

Ok i picked up some vitargo today and im going to try it in about 2 hours. I usualy use 6grams dex to an iu so im going to up it to 7 just in case. I hope this wrks better thank dex because dex makes me bloted and gives me diariea and stomach pain.

[Gear]

What excatly is in this Vitargo stuff? What ingridients? Any addetives? I had a look at the site but it's not in English.

-Gear

[jerseyboy]

Supplement Facts
Serving Size2Level Scoops(76.5g)
Servings Per Container10

Amount Per Serving % DV

Calories 246
Total Fat 0g 0%
Saturated Fat 0g 0%
Cholesterol 0mg 0%
Sodium 100mg 5%
Total Carbohydrate 60g 20%
Sugars 0g †
Protein 0g 0%

Magnesium 50mg 13%
Phosphorus 200mg 20%
Potassium 150mg 4%

Creatine Monohydrate 10g †
Vitargo® 60g †

* Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet
† Daily Value not established

Other Ingredients
Vitargo® (Patented Sugar Free High Molecular Weight [500.000-700.00] Carbohydrate From Swedish Waxy Maize Starch), Pure Pharmaceutical Grade Creatine Monohydrate, Natural And Artificial Flavor, Citric Acid, Osmosis Balancing Electrolytes™ (Dipotassium Phosphate, Di-Sodium Phosphate, Di-Magnesium Phosphate), Silicon Dioxide, Sucralose, FD&C Yellow #6, Acesulfame-K

The fusion of Creatine with Vitargo® as seen in Vitargo-CGLTM marks the most significant advance in creatine technology. Vitargo® is a newly developed and patented sugar-free high molecular weight carbohydrate from Sweden that is revolutionizing the way we take creatine. Vitargo® has been clinically tested in Europe at the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm, Sweden and it possesses such unique characteristics that you will never again consume creatine by itself, or in any combination with sugars like dextrose or maltodextrin. Vitargo-CGLTM by Nutrex is pure dynamite.

Vitargo-CGLTM acts like a pump, pulling creatine and water along with it into the bloodstream, thus synchronizing creatine and insulin levels for maximum creatine transport to the muscles. This avoids a premature insulin spike as seen in creatine/dextrose formulas, where dextrose is absorbed faster than creatine. More creatine can now be transported to the muscles resulting in significantly better muscle and strength gains as compared to non-Vitargo® creatine formulas.

Vitargo® restores muscle energy (glycogen) 70% faster than dextrose, thus superhydrating the muscles cells in record time. No other creatine product in the world makes you recover quicker from your workouts and puts you into an anabolic , muscle-building state faster, than Vitargo-CGLTM. Vitargo-CGLTM is the perfect post-workout creatine supplement. Vitargo® passes through the stomach 80% faster than dextrose, thus eliminating the risk of stomach discomfort as often seen in creatine/dextrose formulas. There is no loss of creatine due to diarrhea, no stomach cramping and no bloated feeling with Vitargo-CGLTM. Since Vitargo-CGLTM is absorbed so rapidly it can easily be consumed directly before or even during workouts without upsetting your stomach!

Vitargo® is as potent in stimulating insulin as dextrose, yet it is completely sugar-free. No need to ever consume creatine products overloaded with simple sugars like dextrose. Look at your current creatine label and compare it's sugar content to Vitargo-CGLTM. Does your creatine product contain 20, 30, 50 or even 75 grams of sugar per serving? Vitargo-CGLTM has ZERO sugar and yet it stimulates the same massive insulin spike needed for maximum creatine transport as 75 grams of sugar do.
Scientific Studies Prove Vitargo's® Superior Effects!

Q: I'm currently taking a creatine product that also contains dextrose. I know that dextrose spikes insulin which in turn stimulates creatine transport to the muscles. I'm getting good results, so why should I switch to Vitargo-CGL

A: Creatine plus dextrose usually produces better results than just taking creatine by itself. This is due to the fact that dextrose stimulates insulin and insulin transports creatine to the muscles. Regular creatine doesn't give you this edge. Even so creatine plus dextrose is superior to regular creatine and produces good results in some individuals, this doesn't mean that its' effects can't be surpassed. Dextrose principally has three flaws. First, dextrose has a high osmolality rate once mixed with water. Such a solution passes through the stomach relatively slowly and water is retained longer in the stomach, since dextrose binds additional water from the body's reserves (small intestine, blood, muscles). This oftentimes creates an uncomfortable bloated feeling in the stomach. The second disadvantage of dextrose is, that it is absorbed faster than creatine. Dextrose and creatine do not enter the bloodstream at the same time. In scientific studies dextrose is therefore given 30 minutes after creatine. If you take a creatine product which contains both creatine and dextrose, the dextrose component causes an insulin spike in the blood when most of the creatine is still sitting in the stomach. This leaves a substantial portion of the creatine without a carrier and it goes to waste. The third major drawback of dextrose is the nature of this carbohydrate. Dextrose is pure sugar. Consuming large amounts of simple sugars like dextrose every day is from an athletic and nutritional standpoint not very desirable.

Vitargo-CGL on the other hand, which uses the patented high molecular weight carbohydrate Vitargo® instead of dextrose, has none of these flaws. Vitargo® creates a low osmolality rate in water and passes through the stomach 80% faster than dextrose. In doing so, Vitargo® acts like a pump, pulling creatine and water along with it into the bloodstream. Such a quick passage through the stomach greatly minimizes the risk of stomach discomfort. Moreover, this synchronizes creatine and insulin blood levels because Vitargo® and creatine enter the bloodstream together. A greater amount of creatine can now be transported to the muscles because of insulin's timely presence. On top of that, Vitargo® activates the same powerful insulin spike as seen in dextrose and yet it is completely sugar-free. Creatine product overloaded with simple sugars like dextrose have simply been rendered obsolete by the fusion of creatine with Vitargo®. There can be no question that Vitargo-CGL is superior to creatine/dextrose formulas.

Q: Can you give me a quick rundown of the facts why creatine plus Vitargo® as seen in Vitargo-CGL is superior to creatine with dextrose?

A: Here are the facts.
1.Vitargo® passes through the stomach 80% faster than dextrose, thus minimizing the risk of stomach discomfort.
2.Vitargo® accelerates creatine transport from the stomach into the bloodstream. Vitargo® basically acts like a pump, pulling creatine and water along with it from the stomach through the small intestine and into the bloodstream. This synchronizes creatine and insulin levels because creatine and the insulin stimulating Vitargo® enter the bloodstream together, which is not the case in creatine/dextrose formulas where dextrose is absorbed before creatine. More creatine can now be transported to the muscles.
3.Vitargo® is absorbed 70% faster by the muscles than dextrose resulting in a quicker recovery rate from training. In addition to this with less stomach discomfort and more creatine transport, creatine plus Vitargo® clearly emerges as the better post-workout creatine formula.
4.Vitargo® is as potent as dextrose in stimulating insulin to initiate creatine transport, yet it is completely sugar-free. Creatine products overloaded with simple sugars like dextrose have now become a thing of the past.
5.Vitargo® is 70% more efficient in restoring muscle glycogen than dextrose. This leads to even greater cell volumization due to a super hydrated effect of the muscle cells.

Q: What exactly is Vitargo®?

A:Vitargo® is a unique patented high molecular weight carbohydrate made from Swedish waxy maize starch. Starch is the raw material for carbohydrates used in today's sports supplements. Dextrose and maltodextrin, which are often found in creatine products are also derived from starch. The difference between Vitargo®, dextrose and maltodextrin is that dextrose and maltodextrin are starch molecules with a low molecular weight, which means they are already well broken down. That's why they are referred to as sugars or simple carbohydrates. Vitargo® on the other hand has a molecular weight which is about 100 times greater than maltodextrin and about 3000 times greater than dextrose. Vitargo® is therefore a long chain complex carbohydrate.

The significance of this is, that mixed in water, Vitargo® acts far more favorably than dextrose or maltodextrin. Vitargo® forms an extremely hypotonic solution with a very low osmolality rate which passes through the stomach very quickly. In doing so it acts like a pump, pulling water and creatine along with it. Dextrose and maltodextrin on the other hand form a solution with a relatively high osmolality rate, which means they pass through the stomach 80% slower than Vitargo®. They also bind water from the body's reserves (small intestine, blood, muscles) and draw it into the stomach. This explains why so many creatine/dextrose users experience stomach discomfort or a bloated feeling.

Vitargo® is also absorbed 70% faster by the muscles than dextrose or maltodextrin. Moreover, unlike dextrose and maltodextrin, Vitargo® contains no sugar or simple carbohydrates, yet it causes the same powerful insulin spike as the sugar dextrose to initiate creatine transport. Using Vitargo® over sugars like dextrose, maltodextrin, fructose or sucrose in your creatine product is clearly a winning choice.

Vitargo® is manufactured only in Sweden by the company Carbamyl AB which is one of the largest starch manufacturers in the world. Vitargo® by itself and in combination with creatine is already being used by German, Russian, Chinese and Swedish olympic athletes. Now that Carbamyl AB has successfully developed the technology to get Vitargo® into mass production, not only elite athletes but all athletes can benefit from Vitargo's® unique effects. Vitargo-CGLTM has become the first product in the US that has been licensed by its' Swedish patent holders to contain the proper amount of Vitargo® (70 grams per serving) and creatine monohydrate to produce superior creatine results.

Q: What should I mix Vitargo-CGL with? Water or juice?

A: To achieve the optimum low osmolality rate (osmolality defines how fast a solution passes through the stomach; the lower the osmolality rate of a solution the quicker it passes through the stomach) for Vitargo-CGL, and to further accelerate the crucial transport of creatine, water and Vitargo® from the stomach to the small intestine and subsequently into the bloodstream, we suggest that you mix each serving with 20 oz. of cold water. We strongly advise not to lower this amount of water since it would increase the osmolality rate of the solution and delay it's passage through the stomach. Do not mix Vitargo-CGL with fruit juices like grape juice, apple juice, orange juice etc. The sugars found in fruit juices would increase the osmolality rate of Vitargo-CGL and hence slow down it's absorption into the bloodstream. Simply stay with 20 oz. of cold water and you will get optimum results.

Q: What kind of results can I expect from taking Vitargo-CGL?

A: We are totally convinced that you will experience better results from Vitargo-CGL than from any other creatine formula you have ever tried before. Using creatine plus Vitargo® is a much superior way of loading creatine and glycogen into the muscles. You will get instant gratification from this combination. It is not uncommon to gain up to 12 lbs of solid mass within the first 2 weeks of taking Vitargo-CGL. Since Vitargo-CGL is so effective in transporting creatine to the muscles and in filling up muscular glycogen stores, the muscle cells will become super hydrated in a matter of days. This leads to dramatic gains in size and strength. Because the Vitargo® element in Vitargo-CGL restores muscle energy 70% faster than dextrose or maltodextrin you will also recover quicker from heavy training. This is an added bonus since accelerated muscle recovery means better muscle gains. On top of that, all these benefits occur without the stomach discomfort and bloated feeling so many creatine users experience, and you don't have to ingest one single gram of sugar.

Q: When is the best time to take Vitargo-CGL?

A: On training days you should always consume one serving of Vitargo-CGL with 20 oz. of water immediately after your workout. Muscular creatine uptake and insulin sensitivity are then at their highest and muscle energy needs to be restored as quickly as possible. Since Vitargo-CGL is so effective at delivering creatine to the muscles, and thanks to Vitargo® it is also 70% faster in restoring muscle energy than dextrose and maltodextrin, Vitargo-CGL is the ideal creatine formula for post-workout consumption. On non-training days you should take one serving of Vitargo-CGL with 20 oz. of water immediately upon rising or alternatively one hour before a meal. Vitargo-CGL can be taken any time during the day as long as it is not consumed on a full stomach or in conjunction with a meal. This would delay the crucial passage of creatine, water and Vitargo® from the stomach into the bloodstream. Following a five day loading phase with two servings a day, one single serving per day is all you need to see dramatic results.

Q: Should I cycle Vitargo-CGL?

A: There exists no scientific evidence which supports the notion that creatine works better when taken in cycles. In order to support muscle growth over the long-term we suggest that you use Vitargo-CGL for at least eight weeks. Since Vitargo-CGL is such a superior post-workout creatine drink, it can actually be consumed year round to aid in muscle recovery. Considering the fact that Vitargo-CGL is completely sugar-free it is far more suitable for long-term consumption than creatine products overloaded with sugars like dextrose.

Q: Why doesn't Vitargo-CGL contain alpha-lipoic acid (ALA)? Isn't ALA supposed to improve the effects of creatine?

A: The answer to this question is a very simple one: Vitargo-CGL is a product with integrity, that doesn't just make label claims. Vitargo-CGL is not designed to draw you in with an interesting element, and then not give you enough of that same element to make the product work like you think it is working. That, however, is exactly the case with ALA found in today's creatine products. A recent scientific study1 has proven that taken in a single dose of 200-400 mg with or without dextrose, ALA does not measurably affect insulin sensitivity or creatine transport. Unfortunately, 200 mg per serving is the standard dose of ALA in most creatine/alpha-lipoic acid formulas. The amount of ALA in these products is by far not enough to produce results. The same scientific study has demonstrated that a 160 pound athlete needs at least 1000 mg of ALA and a 220 pound athlete needs a minimum of 1500 mg of ALA to see an effect. Now check the label of your creatine product and do the math. With the customary 200 mg of ALA per serving you would need to consume at least 5-7 servings to get any measurable results.

The reason why you only find arbitrary amounts of ALA in creatine products is twofold. First, ALA is a relatively expensive raw material and at a dose of 1000-1500 mg per serving, the product price would go up tremendously. Second, because ALA is an acid, it would cause a strong burning sensation in the throat and also in the stomach at such a high dose. The solution would almost become impossible to drink.

Here's another reason why Vitargo-CGL doesn't contain ALA. Scientific studies1 have also revealed that if you take creatine with ALA after training, the influence of ALA on creatine and glucose transport is overshadowed by the effects of exercise on insulin sensitivity. In other words, ALA offers no benefits for creatine users once it is consumed as part of a post-workout drink. Vitargo-CGL however, gives you the 70 grams of Vitargo® you need in order to produce the results you are expecting from a superior creatine supplement. We at Nutrex Research do not throw the name Vitargo® out just for a label claim.

[Gear]

The difference between Vitargo®, dextrose and maltodextrin is that dextrose and maltodextrin are starch molecules with a low molecular weight, which means they are already well broken down. That's why they are referred to as sugars or simple carbohydrates. Vitargo® on the other hand has a molecular weight which is about 100 times greater than maltodextrin and about 3000 times greater than dextrose. Vitargo® is therefore a long chain complex carbohydrate.

Ok that's what I was after. Thanx for that.

-Gear

[jerseyboy]

Ok i picked up some vitargo today and im going to try it in about 2 hours. I usualy use 6grams dex to an iu so im going to up it to 7 just in case. I hope this wrks better thank dex because dex makes me bloted and gives me diariea and stomach pain.

I've been using it for the past three days and I def. feel a difference. My stomach is much more comfortable with less bloat and my PWO meals are easier to take in. I've only been using the 2 scoops recommended but I've also been taking it during my workout as well.

[Microbrew]

I use WMS from TrueProtien and mix in my Creatine 5mg , Glutamine 10mg and BCAA's 10mg and 15/20 min later I drink whey protein shake and eat a regular meal hr later. I have not had any problems with bloating.

Micro

[jerseyboy]

Yes, TP was the other brand I had read about.

[Zelos]

i used to take simple glucide during workout and after , i think i will test it ( i already heard about this from a guy in my gym but his explanation was completly idiot ).
What do you think to add a little part of glutamine post workout ?

[C_Bino]

The difference between Vitargo®, dextrose and maltodextrin is that dextrose and maltodextrin are starch molecules with a low molecular weight, which means they are already well broken down. That's why they are referred to as sugars or simple carbohydrates. Vitargo® on the other hand has a molecular weight which is about 100 times greater than maltodextrin and about 3000 times greater than dextrose. Vitargo® is therefore a long chain complex carbohydrate.

A lot of good mumbo jumbo in there imo. I mean sure vitargo is fine, but this seems more like an AD for the company than anything else. And it is meant for people to read who dont know too much about the make up of molecules.
They are saying malto and dextrose are the same. Well this isnt true. Dextrose is a monosaccharide, it is a mirror glucose polymer so it is a simple sugar because it is made of a single saccharide chain. Maltodextrin is actually made up of many saccharides and is infact a poly-saccharide, meaning it IS NOT labeled as sugar where in your article they say it is...just plain wrong. So I wouldnt be too trusting of everything read in there. Plus why spend the extra money on vitargo, just buy waxy maise starch on its own. Same shit way cheaper.

[jerseyboy]

No we aren't all biology majors here but I agree that it reads like a marketing ploy, kinda like every other page of Mens Fitness and Flex magazines. I've also read alot of feed back on wma and it's all positive. I wasn't even interested in the creatine but I could not get pure waxy maize locally so I decided to try this. I've read that TrueProtein has pure wma so when this is gone I'll order some.