Slin and Fats Timing

[G-Force]

i was always under the impressions zero ( or as close to zero as possible) fats should be consumed 2.5 hours before and after slin jab (humalog)

however recent discussions on some other uk boards has lead me to believe otherwise

with many now believing that fat consumption in your PWO meal can contain fat without any risk of fat storage

the reason being that it will take more than 2.5 hours for the fat consumed PWO to be fully digested - by which point the insulin wouldve already left the body

consequesntly it is only pre workout fats that need to be monitored

i wondered what the general opinion was on this board regarding this matter?

[PT]

i try to avoid all fats after injection and half hour before. just eat brown rice and fish, chicken. etc...

[Gear]

You're correct. Fats certainly take a while to digest so I would stay away from consuming fats before your injection. I have always done this.

-Gear

[smokethedays]

Fats and insulin don't mix, that defeats the whole purpose of using it, you want to increase the nutrients and BCAA's shuttle into the muscle not the lipids. I'd keep them off 2 hrs before up to 4 hrs after if u r using Humalog.
And I say 2 hrs before because Lipids are digested withing the range of 2-3 hrs. and then its safe or let me say more beneficial to use insulin.

[G-Force]

Fats and insulin don't mix, that defeats the whole purpose of using it, you want to increase the nutrients and BCAA's shuttle into the muscle not the lipids. I'd keep them off 2 hrs before up to 4 hrs after if u r using Humalog.
And I say 2 hrs before because Lipids are digested withing the range of 2-3 hrs. and then its safe or let me say more beneficial to use insulin.

this is an old way of using slin
by the way i wasnt advising using fats in the PWO dex/whey shake - i was refering to using fats in the solid meal after

many bodybuilders nowadays are using fats (mono and poly's) in their PPWO meals with no evidence of fat gain

the reason being the fat in this meal doesnt digest until the slin has already left the body

check out this thread http://ukiron.net/showthread.php?t=5342

there are some interesting posts by Narkisos whom you may remember was a Vet on this board a year or two ago

[smokethedays]

this is an old way of using slin
by the way i wasnt advising using fats in the PWO dex/whey shake - i was refering to using fats in the solid meal after

many bodybuilders nowadays are using fats (mono and poly's) in their PPWO meals with no evidence of fat gain

the reason being the fat in this meal doesnt digest until the slin has already left the body

check out this thread http://ukiron.net/showthread.php?t=5342

there are some interesting posts by Narkisos whom you may remember was a Vet on this board a year or two ago

You gotta register to long in it won't allow me

[jstraw428]

I just look at it this way....insulin shuttles whatever you put into your body into your muscles....so why would you want to transport fat faster.....My pwo shake consists of whey, creatine, maltodextrin, kool aid....

[G-Force]

I just look at it this way....insulin shuttles whatever you put into your body into your muscles....so why would you want to transport fat faster.....My pwo shake consists of whey, creatine, maltodextrin, kool aid....

you are missing my point entirely

[jstraw428]

I got what you were saying, but it all depends on how much, and how often you use insulin
I take my insulin 3 times daily......in the morning, pwo, pwo......i avoid all fats around and after this time.....my meals are also protein/fats protein/carbs....never carbs/fat.....
I guess if you were just taking insuling once per day, then some fats right after your workout would not matter too much.....
my insulin usage, dictates my diet...

[G-Force]

I got what you were saying, but it all depends on how much, and how often you use insulin
I take my insulin 3 times daily......in the morning, pwo, pwo......i avoid all fats around and after this time.....my meals are also protein/fats protein/carbs....never carbs/fat.....
I guess if you were just taking insuling once per day, then some fats right after your workout would not matter too much.....
my insulin usage, dictates my diet...

so you are pretty much on no fats ALL day?

except maybe the last meal?

[jstraw428]

6am 5iu protein, carbs, and less than 4g fat

8am Protein/fats

1030am 10-15iu protein/cabs/creatine shake

1130 Protein/carbs

1200 Protein/carbs...less than 4g fats

230 Protein/fats

430 5iu Protein/carb shake

530 Protein/carbs

730 Protein/carbs less than 4g of fats

830 Protein/fats

930 fats

1130 protein


So i have fat throughout my day, i just have to time everything just right......and almost all of my fat comes from peanut butter, oatmeal, chicken....and that is pretty much it....
The slight fat i intake in my meal after injection, comes from oats and is less than 4g....