Are generic blue tops 192?

**Slide** · 04-02-2009, 05:00 PM

are generic blue tops 192? I am guessing there is no way to tell if it is one or the other?

**bigcap** · 04-02-2009, 05:59 PM

Nope. They are the 1's.

**sdc** · 04-03-2009, 02:11 PM

They are 192. It's too expensive to manufactor true 191's. They are labeled 191 but in fact are not. I believe only true pharm grade is.

**Slide** · 04-03-2009, 02:41 PM

jins are 191 correct?

**Slide** · 04-03-2009, 03:05 PM

what other brands/names are 191? It would make sense to pay the extra for the 191, what do people here do?

How worried should i be about developing antibodies if i take 192? I have read that the red bumps are a sign, does that mean you should stop immediately? Are there any other signs/sides?

If i did develop antibodies to 192 on my own natural HGH? Would those antibodies last after ceasing the 192?

**bigcap** · 04-03-2009, 03:52 PM

I love China's GH and if he tells me they are 1's until I feel otherwise I have no reason not to believe the man.

**Polska** · 04-04-2009, 01:08 AM

I don't think there is any way to tell if they are 191 or 192's. All I've ran is generic blues/yellows and have never had a welt, red bump, etc to indicate that they were 192's. Antibodies develop over long term use. 7+ months. If you keep your cycle length to 5-6 months I don't think you have anything to worry about. You should still see good results

**JimInAK** · 04-04-2009, 05:35 AM

I've done Blue tops from China for eight months straight and I have never had negative side effects. However, I've never done more than 4 units per day (I currently do 2 units per day). The Chinese HGH is just as good for me today, as it was last August. I suppose it all depends on how ethical your source is. I think that the price in China is low enough on either product, that the savings from switching products would be minimal.

**jfalco** · 04-04-2009, 07:32 AM

I have read that recent advances make it just as easy to make 191 as 192 and as a result almost all of the real hgh on the black market is 191. Hard to say if this is true, just read it online.

**Indymuscleguy** · 04-04-2009, 08:42 AM

Is there a problem doing GH year-round?

**Polska** · 04-04-2009, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by Indymuscleguy

Is there a problem doing GH year-round?

If it's 191aa, no problem.

**JimInAK** · 04-04-2009, 12:57 PM

I've been doing HGH almost every day for eight months. I have no intention on stopping, unless I would have a compelling reason to (which I do not have one now). I quit taking HGH when I travel occasionally, as I don't want to go through the extra hassle of being denied entry to a commercial plane, singled out as a target for the state or forced to defend myself in court against some trumped up charges, when I'm shaken down with the rest of the schmucks getting on an airplane. I avoid commercial aircraft and drive whenever practical now, for several obvious reasons.

**Indymuscleguy** · 04-06-2009, 08:49 PM

I thought China went silent when the Olympics were going on. All of my sources tell me they aren't shipping any longer to the USA.

PT · 04-07-2009, 03:31 AM

nobody really knows for sure if they are 191 or 192 but i personally suspect 192.

**Slide** · 04-07-2009, 11:48 AM

This would be purely opinion, but should i bother to wait an find a source for 191? it seems much easier to get 192 (obviously).

What i am thinking is that i will try 192 and see if i get any reaction (bumps). If i do, i will stop using it and try to find some 191...

**bjpennnn** · 04-08-2009, 10:45 AM

i have a question for you guys so if i run chinese blue tops for 7 months then switch to american i should be chill i will not have any problems with it not working anymore?

BG · 04-08-2009, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by PT

nobody really knows for sure if they are 191 or 192 but i personally suspect 192.

Shit your lucky if they are GH. I just had so horrible ones that took 30 min to reconstitute. CJC's the way to go.

**Slide** · 04-08-2009, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by BG

Shit your lucky if they are GH. I just had so horrible ones that took 30 min to reconstitute. CJC's the way to go.

From what i have read, not only are you lucky if it is GH but you are lucky if it isn't lead or cow jizz etc...

For hgh to be effective it has to be packaged and transported in a very specific manor, i have no faith that people have any idea what is in the "blue tops"

even the term "blue top" is a bit of a joke. that is like saying "soda" is delicious. There are a million different kinds but yes they all come in the same can.

I would even be surprised if people who order blue tops even got the same blue tops from one order to the next.

This is from a article many have probably already read:
There are about 7 places making HGH
powder in a lab in China, mostly the 192
amino acid variant known as somatrem.On
the discussion boards there is much arguing
about blue tops or red tops,but this means
nothing as no one is sure which one you are
getting from,nor where it was packed.These
vials and tops are readily available and used
for the packaging of all sorts of peptides.

of HGH now in circulation. Much of it
makes use of this legitimate powder,but are
all the products made of it of acceptable
quality? The answer,of course,is no.
The key problem with HGH is packing.
It cannot be packed in a kitchen.It cannot be
packaged in a simple lab with a basic clean
room or iso9001 (enough for tablet production)
climate system. It must be done in a very
specific controlled area with the right
machinery.Otherwise,the powder,even if it
is good itself,may degrade and cause welts or
injection point problems when administered.
The powder cannot sit for a long time when
exposed to air, even the small amount
trapped inside a vial when producing it.The
problem with a GMP license in China is
that it is not centralised.Every province has
its own SFDA GMP personnel.**********,
for example, has a real GMP certificate,
which can be checked on the SFDA website.
Chinese FDA allows only 8IU,so that would
be the approved item.A form of**********
is made with 10IU, but it is produced for
export only without SFDA approval. This
goes for all Chinese manufacturers.
So with all these different product and
regulations, how can you tell you have a
quality HGH product? One way to find out
if the powder is correctly packed is to pay
close attention when you ﬁrst add the dilutent
to the powder vial.When you pierce the
needle (a small insulin needle is preferred)
through the rubber septum,the water should
be sucked into the vial without the need to
push the plunger.This is because it was properly
packaged without air, but a low-pressure
vacuum,inside.It will literally suck the diluent
in to fill the void.Ifyou need to squeeze the
syringe to inject your liquid in order to get
any inside,it is not a good sign.It probably
means there is air inside the vial,and your
powder has been degraded to some degree.

**jfalco** · 04-08-2009, 12:49 PM

I read this, so I tried to suck the water out of a slin pin. couldn't do it. not even a drop. you would need a very strong vacuum to suck the water out of a slin pin.

**Slide** · 04-08-2009, 01:33 PM

yeah i am not sure i buy the "sucking the water out" but some of the other info makes a lot of sense.

jfalco - are you sure you gear is real? i am not saying it isn't, just wondering if you tried this on good gear...

PT · 04-09-2009, 03:50 AM

everytime i stick the needle with water in mine it sucks it right down. i never push the plunger

**Slide** · 04-09-2009, 09:55 AM

that is good info to know thanks PT

**jfalco** · 04-09-2009, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by Slide

yeah i am not sure i buy the "sucking the water out" but some of the other info makes a lot of sense.

jfalco - are you sure you gear is real? i am not saying it isn't, just wondering if you tried this on good gear...

No. I just tried sucking the water out of a slin pin with my mouth. I sucked as hard as I could and couldn't get any water to come out. I was just commenting that the vacuum would have to be very strong.

I really think that there is a pretty good chance that generic blue tops are fake, I just don't buy this vacuum thing. I don't think that the tiny air space in the vial would be big enough to create a strong enough vacuum to overcome the force of the friction between the plunger and the seringe.

Now if it said that the water will slowly drip out of the seringe, I might believe that.

**jfalco** · 04-09-2009, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by PT

everytime i stick the needle with water in mine it sucks it right down. i never push the plunger

really? how fast does the water come out? how long does it take for it all to come out?

**Slide** · 04-09-2009, 11:07 AM

If this is the case with good GH, someone should add this to the educational treads (unless it is already there and i missed it).

**TODouble2** · 04-09-2009, 12:49 PM

i've had the suction effect happen before... as soon as i stuck the pin with the bac water in the gh vial, it would automatically suck the water into the vial

**fm2002** · 04-10-2009, 04:05 PM

I have to hold the plunger very tightly to prevent it from being sucked down into the vial too quickly. There's definitely a vacumn with my stuff !

Haven't heard about red welts being a sign of 192 before. Will have to read up on this.

**BlackDog67** · 04-11-2009, 11:52 AM

My China Blue Caps have a very powerful vacuum. It's so powerful that it sucked 1 CC of water out of my 28g slin pin in just seven seconds!

I have to inject 1CC of air into the vial before I try to draw from it after reconstituting it, otherwise it will draw the HGH back out of the needle! And when I pull the vial off the needle, it will blast the HGH into tiny bubbles.