Some IGF-1 Questions

**eranguri** · 09-13-2009, 01:45 AM

Hi Bro's,
Just got my first IGF bottles , so I have some questions.

1.With what do I mix the powder ? my dealer told my to mix it with sterile water because I can't get the aceitic solution . is it OK to use sterile water?

2.how many days it can stay mix with the sterile water?

3.I use 70 IU for every workout day - My dealer told my to inject 35 IU before the workout (6AM) and the the second half(35IU) on 15:00PM .
how does it sound to you?

10x for the help.

**peptideguy12** · 09-13-2009, 04:28 AM

why can't you get acetic acid? its sold on lots of sites bro I'm sure you can find if you google it

**eranguri** · 09-13-2009, 05:15 AM

Originally Posted by peptideguy12

why can't you get acetic acid? its sold on lots of sites bro I'm sure you can find if you google it

Not at the moment, will sterile water will do the work?

**anabolicshark** · 09-13-2009, 10:25 AM

i wouldnt hurry with it bro,
do your research and get the best for your cycle and yourself, 3-4 days even weeks late start is not as important...
just my 2cc

**ScotchGuard** · 09-13-2009, 11:56 PM

If you absolutely must use sterile water filter it before you use it. A Whatman .45um filter should be ok. The IGF should last about 5 -7 days with sterile water. I agree with anabolicshark, you shouldn't rush into the IGF. Wait and get the acetic acid. It's the best way to go. If you look around in this forum you can find a link that tells you how to make your own aa.

**eranguri** · 09-14-2009, 01:41 AM

Originally Posted by ScotchGuard

If you absolutely must use sterile water filter it before you use it. A Whatman .45um filter should be ok. The IGF should last about 5 -7 days with sterile water. I agree with anabolicshark, you shouldn't rush into the IGF. Wait and get the acetic acid. It's the best way to go. If you look around in this forum you can find a link that tells you how to make your own aa.

10x,
I just ordered acetic acid. I hope to get it in a couples of days.
What about my question : does it matters if I split the 70IU I take into 2 time during the day to 35IU before the workout (6AM) and the second 35IU in 16PM?, or to shot the all 70IU after the workout?
10x.

**eranguri** · 09-14-2009, 02:34 AM

Originally Posted by ScotchGuard

If you absolutely must use sterile water filter it before you use it. A Whatman .45um filter should be ok. The IGF should last about 5 -7 days with sterile water. I agree with anabolicshark, you shouldn't rush into the IGF. Wait and get the acetic acid. It's the best way to go. If you look around in this forum you can find a link that tells you how to make your own aa.

what is the big difference between the acetic acid and the sterile water?

**ScotchGuard** · 09-21-2009, 07:46 PM

AA is vinegar. Sterile Water is 99+% water. IGF will break down MUCH faster in water. The neutral state for IGF is in AA. The advantage of Bac Water is that it doesn't sting. AA will sting like a bee, literally. I've kept bees before and been stung many times. A bee sting feels just like an AA based IGF injection. Not too bad. If you're pinning 70mcg in one day and let's say you're working chest. Work your chest like a mad man, don't drool, LOL. Then pin 35mcg into the right Pec and 35mcg into the right Pec. Usually about 1" diameter from the nipple. You're done. Sometimes I constitute IGF in Bac Water and pin it immediately. No sting, smooth as glass.

**XD40** · 09-21-2009, 07:54 PM

I was told to use 30iu of distilled white vinegar then 2mL of bac water ..... this is just what i was told. maby someone can confirm this?

**ScotchGuard** · 09-24-2009, 04:02 PM

This formula is the one I used to make AA. AA is pretty cheap but I didn't have time to wait so I made my own.

The calculation:
Distilled white vinegar is supposed to be standardized to ~5% acetic acid, which would make it 850mM. To get it to the recommended 100mM, you'd want 11.76% white vinegar (100mM/850mM = 11.76%). Since it would be almost impossible to draw out 11.76IU's, I round this to 12, which is certainly going to be close to our desired 100mM.

The filtering process:
I use off the shelf grocery store distilled white vinegar. In order to ensure safety, I filter it using .20u whatman filters. Here is the step by step for those that may not be familiar with filtering using whatmans. What you will want to have on hand before starting out is some sterile vials, some .20u whatman filters, some syringes and needles (I use a 10cc syringe, and .23 gauge 1" needles), and some alcohol swabs.

(1) First draw up about 10cc of the distilled white vinegar
(2) screw on the .20u whatman to the 10cc syringe (or whatever size you use)
(3) screw on a .23 gauge needle (or whatever size you decide to use)
(4) take your sterile vial, swab the top with alcohol, insert a needle for venting.
(5) Insert your syringe/whatman/needle apparatus and slowly push the 10cc's into the sterile vial.

Now you have safe vinegar to use for your reconstituting.

ALTERNATE METHOD - Alternately, you could simply mix your water and distilled white vinegar before filtering using about 7.5 parts of water per 1 part of distilled white vinegar. After mixing these together in this ratio, run the mixture through your .20u whatman as above. You will end up with a vial of dilutent this way that has the proper PH for use with your IGF-1.

Reconstituting:

How much water/vinegar you reconstitute with is going to somewhat depend on which LR3 IGF-1 you are using. Igtropin is shipped in 100mcg vials, which I usually reconstitute at 1ml(cc) per 100mcg vial (which will make the 10 mark on your insulin syringe = 10 mcgs). The gropep based IGF-1's are primarily shipped in 1mg vials, and I usually use 5ml for these (which will make the 10 mark on your insulin syringe = 20mcgs).
At any rate, what I do is:

(1) take an alcohol swab and swab the tops of my water, vinegar solution, and IGF-1 vials
(2) take a syringe with a 23 gauge, 1" needle and draw out .12 cc's of vinegar for the 100mcg vials or .60 cc's for the 1mg vials.
(3) next I take this syringe and draw out the water - .88cc's for 100mcg, 4.4cc's for the 1mg.

FOR ALTERNATE METHOD in lieu of steps (2) and (3) - Just draw out the desired amount of dilutent from your pre-mixed vial of
vinegar / water.

(4) next i poke the needle into the LR3 IGF-1 vial and dribble this solution down the side of the vial, avoid any direct spray on the lyophilized powder until all of the dilutent is in the vial
(5) using a gentle swirling motion, I reconstitute the powder.
(6) I stick the vial in the fridge and it is now ready for use.