17 year old - been taking hgh for a 2 months (4ui 5 on 2 off)

[fossilfuel7]

I can no longer sit idle and not contribute a post to this thread lol.

I'll say this much,...I had a beard when I was 13 and was done growing by 16-17.

17 was my peak in terms of recovery and hormone levels and probably upper body strength thus far...Bench 360 raw @195 6ft...Shoulder press 225 for 5 reps.

I am 28 now and probably feel worse then a lot of 38 yr olds in terms of aging and injury issues.

I started using GH about 5 weeks ago and just hope it is legit stuff..still hard to say.

Also contemplating starting my first AAS(Anavar ) as well.

[spywizard]

And i didn't get through puberty until i was 20 at the earliest.. at 18 i was 125 lbs 5'9"... 1.5 yrs later i was 175.. same bf... natural..

point being we all develop just a little differently.. I'm glad i didn't get into this game til i was much older..

[RoadToRecovery]

I think there is difference in ideas as to the age of the first AAS cycle. I've read a lot more since my last post. RoadToRecovery is right. I haven't been able to find a definitive paper that sets the first cycle age at 25. However, I did find several papers about adolescent growth extending into the early 20's. While most males stop their growing and thus fusing their platelets by 20, there are numerous cases where growth extend into their early 20's. Which means the pituitary hormones are continuing cause the body to grow.

So, my reasoning for 25 as an age for the first cycles goes thus:

1. Not everyone stops growing at 18. Their pituitary hormones may be secreted through the early 20's.
2. There is no definitive age when all of the glands and hormones are "mature" for all males. It is generally assumed that the endo system is mature at sexual maturity but I know a woman at work who had her first child at 14 and her partner was 15. There is a general link between sexual maturity and endo maturity. There is not a direct, 1 to 1, link between sexual maturity and endo maturity.
3. Therefore, I conclude that endo maturity can occur sometime in the early 20's for a healthy adult male. I ask myself, "Will ALL healthy adult male's endo system mature during early 20's?" My answer to myself is, "I don't know but why take a chance?" Based on these assumptions and the fact that it may take several years for an adult male to strengthen their connective tissues with regular exercise, along with the emotional maturity and knowledge needed to control the powerful hormones which makes up the AAS cycle, I conclude that 25 is a much safer age to cycle AAS.
4. Even if cycling age was based solely on endo maturity I am still not convinced that all healthy male's endo matures at 18. Remember that sexual maturity is only one aspect of the endo system that affects male maturity. There are 9 glands and over 100 hormones in the endo system. We don't even know how some of them affect our bodies.
5. I would very much like to read any study which would definitively state that all male endo system matures at 18. I'm not closed minded I am open to scientific evidence that points to that conclusion. However, in the absence of science I think it is the responsible thing to do to counsel younger members to think safety first. AAS is an extremely powerful drug that absolutely works. Safety should be paramount.

Good post. Ill have a rebuttal later... but I just wanted to give you some acknowledgment as to pretty much the entire post was well put and agreeable.