Legit Article?

[polly56]

Found this interesting article from another site I was just wondering if experianced users agree or disagree with it.

Mutant has writen this.

"Ok, so where do I start. There are so many retarded questions out there regaurding HGH use that it hurts my eyes to constantly read them. It seems that GH is the new popular thing to do. Not because it is a miracle drug, but because it is more easily available, and all the big guys are using it. Saldy, this doesnt mean these new users are using it correctly. I see more and more users trying to save money by taking baby doses, while using some rediculous protocol to simply save money. Yet, they are expecting unrealistic gains while doing so. Sorry guys, stretching 2 kits to last you 4 months isnt going to do much of anything for you, and will end up being a waste...unless you are an HRT patient and not looking for athletic benefit. It comes down to this: If you want to see gains from HGH, you are going to have to spend the cash, and there is no way around it.

Dosages:

Dosages should be based on personal goals, and how far one is willing to go to take it to the next level. As a bodybuilder, there are simple basics. For fatloss and dieting, smaller doses of around 3-5 will do. Dont expect spectacular results in terms of fatloss. The more you use, the greater the results. If it is fatloss you are looking for, then maybe Clen and T3 would be a cheaper option that will produce better results. If you are looking to simply stay leaner in the offseason, then HGH can be more usefull.

If it is mass you are looking for from HGH, you had better be ready to fork over a good amount of cash. Larger doses are necessary, and maily in conjunction with insulin . Doses used for mass start at about 8iu of good HGH, and work their way up to as much as you can afford to be blunt. I feel that 8-10iu of good GH is realistic and not an overexaggeration. I have used upto 30iu daily with good results. I know pro's that use or have used even more. The insulin needs to be encorperated to get maximum benefit from your hefty dose of HGH. Maily to create that large IGF-1 burst. Insulin needs to be present when the GH passes the liver for optimal IGF-1 production.

Protocol:

This is what really bugs me. People coming up with some stupid protocol and following it without any doubt simply because it will save them some cash by stretching out the little amount of HGH they have purchased.

We have the rediculous 5/2 protocol. Where did this come from? Let me answer... internet board members came up with it mainly to save some cash by taking 2 days off of their GH use at the end of the week. Why? To save money, and they backed it up with a poor excuse for a theory to make it look like a legit protocol. The theory behind taking 2 days off at the end of the week are so that your body can take a break and produce naturally...kinda. Well, ok...except this doesnt go along with the negative feedback loup of exogenous HGH use! Your body will be producing naturally daily anyway...the loup only lasts hours...not days. What it comes down to is a poor excuse for a protocol designed to save some money, with little to no scientific evidence to back it up. Not to mention that most people using this protocol are using smaller doses anyway.

We have Gavin Kane type protocol. Mainly injections are done PWO 3 times a week, using a hefty dose of HGH...your weekly doses split into 3 larger doses. Example would be if you are using 8iu/ed for mass, it would equal 56iu weekly. It would come out to just under 20iu 3 times a week. This is also used in conjunction with insulin and IGF-1. This protocol seems to work well for a good amount of people, and the theory backing it is somewhat sound...which I will not get into...as this is supposed to be a simple guide. The sad thing is that alot of people try to manipulate and twist this protocol to fit their budget, and it doesnt work that way. Sorry, but using 6iu 3 times a week just isnt going to cut it...in any case. I feel this protocol best fits you guys that are using a DC style training where you are only hitting the gym a few times a week.

We have the basic diet protocol. Taking your HGH upon rising, at a dose of 3-5iu every day. Granted, the less you use, the less you will see. No need to take days off, as it's not that much GH and you are really looking for optimal fatloss and body composition. Too many people are using dumb doses like 1-2iu, which is nothing more than an HRT dose for my 90 year old grandma.

A basic mass protocol that has been used over the years is taking your high dose of 8iu+/pwo in conjunction with insulin. Taking it IM will ensure speedy peak levels and faster IGF-1 production. Since that is what we want after a workout while our IGF-1 receptors are ready to roll. This way you can ensure a good amount of fresh IGF-1 floating around when you need it most. This protocol best suits those of you training almost all week, with the occasional day off for recovery. Taking a day off HGH when administering high doses can be beneficial, to give your IGF-1 receptors a break. Besides, levels will still be raised regairdless. This day off should also be your day off trianing used for recovery. It is not needed, and manily comes down to personal preferance.

Every day mass protocol would be the same as the diet protocol, only with a higher dose. Insulin is also a good idea for maximum benefit and gains for obvious reason. Tried and true.

There is also an EOD protocol that you dont hear about often. A while back there was a study posted that taking HGH EOD at double your daily dose provided the same results with less antibodies. Now, this study had to do with children, but you get the point. I think this protocol would only be good for mass gains, and not beneficial for dieting. An example would be if you were taking 8iu daily for mass, then instead you would be taking 16iu/EOD. Simple as that.

I have noticed that some people use their GH on a daily basis, but pre-workout instead of post. Theory behind this is that when using subq injections, levels wont peak for a while...primarily after their workouts. The problem I see with this is that a good chunk of insulin should be present when the GH passes the liver for optimal IGF-1 production. It's hard to manipulate it this way, so why not just take it PWO using IM injection followed by insulin injection or spike."

[Markosterone]

i'm not a pro. but my guess is he is right about most of it.
since ordinary people like me use 5iu 5/2, and im not a beast yet..

[supe3]

well my .02 is that he is talking about GH other then US pharmacy grade. At 30ius or more I can only think that their would be some real problems with that high of a dose if it were US pharmacy grade. I think that when people talk about dosing we should all start stating if we are talking about pharmacy grade or not in order to put things in prespective. Its very misleading other wise.

[polly56]

i'm not a pro. but my guess is he is right about most of it.
since ordinary people like me use 5iu 5/2, and im not a beast yet..

I'm looking at running HGH for mass, I read on my HGH companys website that 4iu+ is for mass, what kind of gains have you seen? how long are you running it for?

Im getting a total of 300iu's and after reading this article am wondering if i should get more

[Markosterone]

I got 600 units for myself. will last about a half year if run 5/2
I was using 6units first, then lowered to 5.

Didnt notice much intil I ran a short cycle of test and winny. still running the gh..

I'm going to run it 6/1, and during my next cycle I will upp the dosage just to try it.

you probably need more then 300units

[DCannon]

I'm looking at running HGH for mass, I read on my HGH companys website that 4iu+ is for mass, what kind of gains have you seen? how long are you running it for?

Im getting a total of 300iu's and after reading this article am wondering if i should get more

Even at 4iu/day, 300iu's is only going to last less than 3 months. Not very long for GH.

[Swifto]

Mutant is a big boy that knows what he's talking about from my experience.

[polly56]

most basic protocols suggests starting at 2iu and bumpng up .5 a week, if i were to do this then it could brign me to 4 months but i'll probably grab atleast 100 iu most

[ScotchGuard02]

Sound like a sound article to me. HGH is an expensive proposition. One has to be ready to fork over the $ with HGH.