Is cjc 1295 effective on its own?

**mickdiesel** · 03-17-2011, 02:37 PM

I wanted to run cjc 1295 and ghrp 6 to help cut but I remember that ghrp 6 used to make me eat like a moose relatively uncontrollably. I tried but those were the worst cravings I've ever gotten.

So can cjc 1295 w/o DAC be ran independently, and if so does the loss of the synergy between the 2 compounds really diminish the effectiveness?

Thanks

**DCannon** · 03-17-2011, 02:45 PM

The only way CJC1295 is effective on it's own is if you inject it when there is no somatostatin present, but good luck knowing when that is.

You'd be better off getting GHRP-2 or better yet Ipamorelin.

**mickdiesel** · 03-17-2011, 02:47 PM

So it must be ran with ghrp or its useless?

Can either ghrp be run independently? Ghrp is the problem but just wondering if it can be run independently as it would be much cheaper

**DCannon** · 03-17-2011, 03:02 PM

Any of the GHRP's can be run on their own. The GHRP's initiate the pulse and the GHRH's amplify it.

**dosXX** · 03-17-2011, 03:59 PM

I agree with DC using ipamorelin. Be careful with GHRP-2 because I get the same hunger/food craving you just described.

**mickdiesel** · 03-17-2011, 06:44 PM

Sounds like the only way to do them is together. Is ghrp and ipamorelin potentially a better combo than ghrp and cjc?

All the responses are much appreciated?

**mickdiesel** · 03-17-2011, 06:55 PM

I just read that ipamorelin is a 2nd generation ghrp so I obviously wouldn't run it with ghrp 6 I'm assuming.

What is the most synergistic compound to run with ipamorelin then? I know a limited amount of info about it. But from what I've read it does very similar things as ghrp 6 or 2 without the hunger sides. Is this accurate.

As always thank you for your input.

**DCannon** · 03-17-2011, 07:23 PM

You're right, ipa is a ghrp. It doesn't raise cortisol or prolactin as much as either GHRP-6 or GHRP-2.

**mickdiesel** · 03-17-2011, 09:48 PM

So you think Ipa would be a better choice to run with cjc than either ghrp?

Dosing protocol from what I've read is similar. 100mcg 3x's daily. You have any other info?

**DCannon** · 03-18-2011, 09:27 AM

Yeah, Ipa is the cleanest GHRP.

Same dosing as the others, but since no worry about desensitization or raising cotisol or prolactin, you can dose it up to 6X per day as long as you keep your shots 3 hours apart.

**kosgr** · 03-18-2011, 09:46 AM

Yeah i agree ipa is the best of the ghrp's family, by using just a ghrp you will increase your GH levels more than just use a ghrh but adding a ghrh like cjc1295 will work synergestic and you will have exploding results.

**mickdiesel** · 03-18-2011, 08:27 PM

Wow that sounds great. So protocol should be:

Ipa 100mcg 3x's daily
Cjc 1295 w/o DAC 100mcg 3x's daily

Is the timing for ipa the same as ghrp 6?

I'm excited about ipa now.

Thanks guys

**DCannon** · 03-18-2011, 08:59 PM

Looks good.

Ipa timing is the same as GHRP-6 because they are both GHRP's.

Good luck mick! Enjoy.

**mickdiesel** · 03-18-2011, 09:18 PM

Hey thanks for all the input guys, really helpful.

Just 2 more questions.

First, if poking 6x's daily should the dosage be lower each time or the same? Meaning is there a saturation point?

Second, are the dietary limitations the same? From what I understand you should not have carbs or fat within 30 minutes before or after injecting ghrp 6. Assuming its the same with ipa?

Thanks so much again

**DCannon** · 03-18-2011, 09:59 PM

If you are going to do 6x/day start with lower dose just to see how you react. The saturation point for both is 1mcg/kg but most people just go with 100mcg for easy measuring. Try starting with 50mcg and go from there.

Dietary limitations are the same.

Keep us updated with how you do.

**mickdiesel** · 03-19-2011, 09:57 AM

And what about cjc 1293? Is it any better or worse than cjc 1295? I seem to be finding better deals on it

**DCannon** · 03-20-2011, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by mickdiesel

And what about cjc 1293? Is it any better or worse than cjc 1295? I seem to be finding better deals on it

What you want is modified GFR1-29. Most suppliers mislabel this as CJC1293 and CJC1295. Some suppliers also refer to it as CJC1295 w/o DAC which is technically correct.

CJC1295 = useless
CJC1293 = useless
ModGRF1-29 = Great

If you can, get modGrf1-29, but if they have CJC1295 w/o DAC then get that since it will most likely be modGRF1-29.

**mickdiesel** · 03-20-2011, 10:33 PM

Thanks, you're the man

**kosgr** · 03-21-2011, 07:47 AM

Basically you just need to know if the cjc1295 wo DAC is tetrasubstituted or not.
If it is tetrasubstituted then it's Mod GRF1-29?And its half-life is about 30mins if iam not wrong?

**DCannon** · 03-21-2011, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by kosgr

Basically you just need to know if the cjc1295 wo DAC is tetrasubstituted or not.
If it is tetrasubstituted then it's Mod GRF1-29?And its half-life is about 30mins if iam not wrong?

All CJC1295 is tetrasubstituted. Once you drop the DAC you have modified Grf1-29.

You're right about the half life being 30 min.