Isma's FIRST insulin cycle

**Isma** · 08-27-2011, 05:07 PM

Well guys, on October I'm going to start my first insulin cycle, so although I've read a lot, and then more and more and more, about it, I'd like to share with you my ideas about it...

Week 1-12 --> Test C --> 250 mg/E5D
Week 1-26 --> HGH --> 6 IU --> 5 on/2 off
Week 1-4/ 9-12 --> insulin --> 10 IU (starting with 2 IU)

What do you think guys? Should I change something?

**Markosterone** · 08-28-2011, 04:29 AM

I would do the Test C e3d. at that dose.

Make sure you carry fast carbs with you, always, after you take your slin.

**Isma** · 08-28-2011, 08:53 AM

Thankyou Markosterone.

Of course I'll carry with me some dextrose tablets and some coke... no problem with this.

And I'll think about take Test C e3d, I wanted to do the cycle with less doses because it's my first insulin cycle so I want to take the test levels into a "moderate" range, but maybe I'll up the dosage...

Thanks man, any other advice?

**SlimmerMe** · 08-28-2011, 09:39 AM

Be careful! Very very careful~

***D7M*** · 08-28-2011, 10:46 AM

What type slin is it? Log? What's your carb protocol with it?

**Isma** · 08-28-2011, 06:13 PM

First of all thankyou for the interest SlimmerMe and D7M.

1. The insulin is Lispro, ultra-fast. Humalog.
2. Log? Yeah, I guess, this will be my log. On October 1st, I'll start.

3. My carb protocol...

Just before or after the insulin injection -->

*Shake --> 50 grams of protein
--> 7 grams of dextrose / IU of insulin
5-10 grams of creatine
10 grams BCAA or glutamine

--> 70-75 minutes after the injection --> 50-60 grams of protein + 50 grams of carbs (+ protein shake).

As I said before, I'll have on hand some dextrose tablets, sugar, Coke...

**Muscledweebe** · 08-29-2011, 10:11 AM

post slin injection, if its post workout i personally have a shake containing at least 50-60 grams of protien as your doing but as for carbs i personally would do away with the dextrose and use oats, waxy maze, or a karbolyne type powder if your not blending. from what ive read dextrose/maltadextrin would just mimic what the insulin is gonna do for you but in a smaller scale. about an hour after your better off having an actual meal rather than a shake, like brown rice and chicken, pasta, ect. little to no fat, once comftortable you can adjust your carb intake so your not taking in unecesary carbs that can lead to fat. just some advice but maybe others can chime in

**Isma** · 08-29-2011, 06:36 PM

Very interesting your point about not using dextrose. Thankyou.

What do you think guys about what Muscledweebe is saying about the carbs post-insulin ?

**Isma** · 09-02-2011, 04:44 PM

Could I add something else at cycle?

**Isma** · 09-06-2011, 04:01 PM

Something like NO, some fat burner... anything apart of the typical protein shake? Thanks guys.

**yungone501** · 09-06-2011, 07:19 PM

I commend you for discussing all of this BEFORE starting your cycle...not seen very often around here and i believe others should adopt this method.

**Isma** · 09-07-2011, 05:58 AM

Thanks yungone, that's the way.

**Isma** · 09-14-2011, 06:50 AM

Ok guys,

So I've read about doing cardio during the insulin cycle, and I've read some people saying yes, and some people saying it is dangerous because of the hypo...

What do you thinks guys? I put fat easily, and cost me a lot of muscle to put it out, so could I do some cardio? And if I can, when?

Thankyou.

**Isma** · 09-24-2011, 05:08 PM

Guys, can anyone, please, give me some advice about cardio on insulin ?

Thankyou.

**Far from massive** · 09-24-2011, 06:03 PM

Hello I have done a fair amount of slin. I will do light cardio on slin but no heavy cardio and would not even consider fasted cardio. I use humalog also and I take it after eating or eat right after taking the slin, humalog reaches serious blood concentration in about 15 minutes so I would definately not wait 70 minutes to take in my shake. My main uses of slin are PWO with approx 75gms of whey and 10 gms of creatine mono and 10 gms of glutamine and while I used to mix a bunch of simple sugar in the shake itself I have found that I can use about 20 gms in the shake and then take more (simple sugars) every 15 or so minutes as needed and this seems to provide a better blood sugar level and instead of a huge initial spike followed by a half hour of good levels then hypoglycemia afterward. Also instead of simply dumping a bunch of simple sugars I have been using mango, frozen grapes and the like and munching on them after the slin injection to provide a steady intake of sugars to the bloodstream.

Anyway that is what has worked for me, just make sure to be real careful in the beginning its a really good idea to have someone present just in case and as said always keep some ( a good amount) of glucose tablets handy in your car just in case of something like you are on your way home from the gym and the car breaks down and there you are with no sugar in the middle of nowhere....could get ugly fast. Also a glucogen pen is a great thing to have on hand in case of emergency if you have someone to pin you.

One last cautionary note: while it the normal life of humalog may only be two hours if you are sedintary and then a couple of hours later go to sleep you may awaken on the verge of death soaked in sweat with your heart beating like a jackhammer in your chest and so confused you can not decide if you should go onto the internet to dial 411 or drive to steroid dot coms emergency room...I was seriously almost this fvked up when I awoke and it is a mistake I have not made since ;-) so be careful.

FFM

**Isma** · 09-25-2011, 11:15 AM

Thankyou so much FFM.

**Far from massive** · 09-25-2011, 11:35 AM

Glad to help and be careful, with that aside I must say that I have been very happy with slin.

**dec11** · 09-26-2011, 05:54 PM

ive had bouts of lethargy and tiredness since my last run on slin that i cant attribute to anything, i hope i havent caused myself damage in some way or another. was my 3rd run on in

**Isma** · 09-27-2011, 10:26 AM

How many IU were you using? And for how long?

**dec11** · 09-27-2011, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by Isma

How many IU were you using? And for how long?

dont take offence but id rather not post my protocols mate, it could be contrived as advice and tbh slin isnt necessary for recreational lifting and i feel a fool for having ever messed with it. i'd be wreckless posting advice on it

**Isma** · 09-28-2011, 05:01 AM

Not offence at all man. It was only to know if it was (your problem) because of using insulin (don't matter how many or how long) or because of using more than necessary.

There is no problem if you don't want to share it man.

**Isma** · 10-04-2011, 12:04 PM

Hi guys,

I've had a problem with my insulin -LISPRO source and I can only get ASPART insulin.

Can I use it in the same way?

Advice VERY NEEDED. THANKS.

**Isma** · 10-19-2011, 03:31 PM

Guys, when calculating the calories of your diet being ON of insulin , do you have to count the calories from the "sugar" shake?

Or this calories are "eliminated" because of the lack of sugar in the blood?

Thanks guys, I'm giving the last "touches" to my 4000 kcal diet.

**Isma** · 12-14-2011, 04:55 PM

My insulin diet. Give some advice guys.

Breakfast 1 (9.00 AM)

Skim milk: 350 grams
Oats: 150 grams
Whey Protein: 30 grams
Apple

TRAINING

Insulin + Food Post-insulin (shake + dextrose) (11.30 AM)

Breakfast 2 (12.30-12.45 AM)
Cooked rice: 300 grams
Protein shake: 50 grams

Lunch (15.30/ 3.30 PM)
Cooked rice: 500 grams
Lean beef: 200 grams
(¿Shake Protein: 20 grams?)

Snack (18:00/ 6 PM)
Skim milk: 300 grams
Oats: 120 grams
Protein: 30 grams

Dinner (21.00/ 9 PM)
Egg whites: 250 grams
Cooked rice: 100 grams

Before bed (00.00/ 24.00 PM)
Casein: 40 grams.

There are about 3.750 kcal.

Thanks guys.