HGH and the mind...

**HGH_89** · 06-03-2013, 05:13 PM

Is HGH good or bad for the mind? If you are heavily depressed already, have ADHD and next to no social life whatsoever anymore, could HGH make me feel more positive and freshen up the mind a bit, or will it exacerbate things?

Thanks

**Times Roman** · 06-03-2013, 06:26 PM

without knowing the root of your depression, there is no way to really know if HGH can elevate your mood.

I'd suggest finding out why you are depressed. How long has it been going on? Have you explored consulting with a professional? Have you thought about an anti-depressant?

ADHD is a completely separate issue, and should probably be treated separate from the depression.

I think once you turn around the depression, next step would be to find something to do that interests you. Something that might have a social aspect to it. There's all kinds of crazy shit out there....

square dancing for young adults (they have beginners classes all the time. I know it sounds hokey, but the female to male ratio would definitely be in your favor!!)

learning to horse back ride (another heavily dominated female activity)

bowling - and joining a team. shit, they even took crappy old me!

each of these has a beginner aspect to it, many women, and a lot of fun.

You'll have to use your imagination for other ideas, but I think something like this might get you moving in the right direction.

Good luck!
---Roman

**swithuk** · 06-04-2013, 04:41 AM

g.h certainly increases a sense of well being and positivity . however more importantly how is your diet and do you do any form of exercise ?

**Pittsburgh412** · 06-04-2013, 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by HGH_89

Is HGH good or bad for the mind? If you are heavily depressed already, have ADHD and next to no social life whatsoever anymore, could HGH make me feel more positive and freshen up the mind a bit, or will it exacerbate things?

Thanks

I have ADHD(unmedicated) and I still legally have depression (in medicated) all I do is work and go to the gym usually (no life either)
I dont believe HGH to have negative effects on the mind

**HGH_89** · 06-04-2013, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by swithuk

g.h certainly increases a sense of well being and positivity . however more importantly how is your diet and do you do any form of exercise ?

Sounds good man. My diet is horrific right now, my exercise is also non-existant, but I will get back down the gym and training in around 6 weeks time... I hear when one takes HGH your diet does not matter anyway!? But I will be looking to get on "The Dolce Diet" when I start training again (and have the money for it)

**HGH_89** · 06-04-2013, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by Pittsburgh412

I have ADHD(unmedicated) and I still legally have depression (in medicated) all I do is work and go to the gym usually (no life either)
I dont believe HGH to have negative effects on the mind

Good to hear this as well. What do you feel it's done for your ADHD and depression? Has it improved that?

**swithuk** · 06-04-2013, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by HGH_89

Sounds good man. My diet is horrific right now, my exercise is also non-existant, but I will get back down the gym and training in around 6 weeks time... I hear when one takes HGH your diet does not matter anyway!? But I will be looking to get on "The Dolce Diet" when I start training again (and have the money for it)

ok well done for being honest . the good news is that you will feel amazing if you only adjust your diet and exercise

diet - you dont have to go crazy and start having 6 meals a day and start weighing your food . go to the nutrition section and read the stickies there . theres some basic info there . swap fatty meat for lean meat for example , introduce more veg etc . you dont have to make huge changes to get amazing results . believe me you will feel positive and energized . remember that what you are probably eating now is equivalent of poison so no wonder you feel down and low . go to the nutrition section and do some basic reading and you will pick up alot also the guys there are very helpful. * you dont have to wait until your training to change your diet ! change your diet and it will literally change your life
exercise - you do not need to go to the gym at this stage . first just got for walks somewhere nice for about an hour e.d or eod . make sure its quite a brisk walk . after a few weeks of this introduce a light jog for 30 mins twice a week and then increase step by step

im telling you an improved diet and light regular exercise will do more for you that any pill a doc can give you . your diet and lack of exercise is most likely the cause

hgh - this will not fix your problems . look at hgh as icing on the cake . it will compliment a reasonable diet and reasonable exercise program . whatever positives one gets from hgh is easily negated by no exercise and poor diet

**HGH_89** · 06-04-2013, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by swithuk

ok well done for being honest . the good news is that you will feel amazing if you only adjust your diet and exercise

diet - you dont have to go crazy and start having 6 meals a day and start weighing your food . go to the nutrition section and read the stickies there . theres some basic info there . swap fatty meat for lean meat for example , introduce more veg etc . you dont have to make huge changes to get amazing results . believe me you will feel positive and energized . remember that what you are probably eating now is equivalent of poison so no wonder you feel down and low . go to the nutrition section and do some basic reading and you will pick up alot also the guys there are very helpful. * you dont have to wait until your training to change your diet ! change your diet and it will literally change your life
exercise - you do not need to go to the gym at this stage . first just got for walks somewhere nice for about an hour e.d or eod . make sure its quite a brisk walk . after a few weeks of this introduce a light jog for 30 mins twice a week and then increase step by step

im telling you an improved diet and light regular exercise will do more for you that any pill a doc can give you . your diet and lack of exercise is most likely the cause

hgh - this will not fix your problems . look at hgh as icing on the cake . it will compliment a reasonable diet and reasonable exercise program . whatever positives one gets from hgh is easily negated by no exercise and poor diet

I've started smoking pretty heavily again recently too, which isn't helping things.
I definitely feel like shit bro, I'm mad out of shape, get Knackered just running for 2 minutes n dat.
Is HGH gonna help me with running as well? My motivation is pretty low for sum reason (depression probably) so am hoping it will help give me a boost in that sense. My eyes r ****ed as well yu know, too much sitting infront of a ****in computer the last few months, hopefully the GH will brighten up my face and lift my eyes a little bit lol, I'm hoping it will help grow my facial bones and jaw muscles etc...
Some people on here have said they eat whatever they want while on the GH though.

**HGH_89** · 06-04-2013, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

without knowing the root of your depression, there is no way to really know if HGH can elevate your mood.

I'd suggest finding out why you are depressed. How long has it been going on? Have you explored consulting with a professional? Have you thought about an anti-depressant?

ADHD is a completely separate issue, and should probably be treated separate from the depression.

I think once you turn around the depression, next step would be to find something to do that interests you. Something that might have a social aspect to it. There's all kinds of crazy shit out there....

square dancing for young adults (they have beginners classes all the time. I know it sounds hokey, but the female to male ratio would definitely be in your favor!!)

learning to horse back ride (another heavily dominated female activity)

bowling - and joining a team. shit, they even took crappy old me!

each of these has a beginner aspect to it, many women, and a lot of fun.

You'll have to use your imagination for other ideas, but I think something like this might get you moving in the right direction.

Good luck!
---Roman

I know why I am depressed my man. Yeah, I had a psychologist before but she left the company n I never continued with it. I'm about to get a next one soon though! It's been going on for 2-3 years now. It's killed me. I've taken anti-depressant's but they r bullshit man, they just make me more tired and drowsy, but don't help with the depression to much. I've stopped taking them now.

I think it's safe to say I won't be going out dancing or horse riding Lol, but I hear you still. I like the idea of mixing with women, need some women in my life again soon I reckon!
I need to stop eating like a ****in trojan and start training again asap. I'll be working again soon so dat's gonna be a Big help in itself!

Thanks for the reply boss

**swithuk** · 06-04-2013, 02:21 PM

change in diet and intro of light / long exercise will change everything . do this first then the g.h

**ScotchGuard02** · 06-04-2013, 03:46 PM

As one get's older the body slows down the production of serotonin, the feel good hormone. One of the reasons that HGH helps with the sense of well being is that the body increases the production of serotonin. The lack of serotonin is one of the reasons that old people worry all the time. HGH also helps to increase blood circulation in the brain. Whether you're depressed or not blood circulation in the brain is going to help it heal.

**fm2002** · 06-04-2013, 04:08 PM

Need more info. Age and what your current levels are? If you're 23 and your Test and IGF-1's are good than HGH isn't going to help. If on the other hand your'e over 45 and your levels are low than yes HRT could help. The older you are and the lower your levels the more HRT will help. Hope this helps

**HGH_89** · 06-04-2013, 05:27 PM

If that's the case then why does anyone bother? I'm in my mid 20's n have no clue what my levels are but guessing they're not too bad...

**swithuk** · 06-05-2013, 05:22 AM

1. go to a lab and get blood work done to see if there are deficiencies
2. alter your diet (even a bit will make a difference ) have a look at nutrition section
3. add light exercise in to your routine . doesnt have to be the gym . just go for a long brisk walk for an hour e.d or eod

**Times Roman** · 06-05-2013, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by HGH_89

I know why I am depressed my man. Yeah, I had a psychologist before but she left the company n I never continued with it. I'm about to get a next one soon though! It's been going on for 2-3 years now. It's killed me. I've taken anti-depressant's but they r bullshit man, they just make me more tired and drowsy, but don't help with the depression to much. I've stopped taking them now.

I think it's safe to say I won't be going out dancing or horse riding Lol, but I hear you still. I like the idea of mixing with women, need some women in my life again soon I reckon!
I need to stop eating like a ****in trojan and start training again asap. I'll be working again soon so dat's gonna be a Big help in itself!

Thanks for the reply boss

and thank you for the additional information.

it's amazing, but when you make your body feel better, the mind will usually follow. I'd suggest forcing yourself to go back to the gym and start exercising again.

Here's a stupid trick I sometimes use, not sure if it will work with you.

I'll really not feel like going to the gym. So I tell myself I'll suit up and go, but I might just turn around and go home if I don't feel like I can get into it.

Once there, I go inside, and I'm thinking, well, I'll just do a couple of sets on a couple of routines and then I'll haul ass.

Once I start a routine, I'll tell myself, well, let's see if I can do three sets on this routine, and then maybe I won't do any more routines.

And after doing the three sets, I'll tell myself, see, that wasn't so bad, let's go do another routine.

So I just take it in baby steps, and give myself the illusion of an out if I want it.

I don't do this very often, but I have done this recently, after losing a lot of weight due to some weird illness, and I had to literally talk myself back into the gym

But if you clean up your diet, and hit the gym, for most, the depression will slowly begin to improve.

the hard part is that first step.

Good luck!
---Roman

**swithuk** · 06-05-2013, 12:01 PM

great advice !

**ghost14** · 06-06-2013, 06:48 PM

For me endurance sport, running or cycling, gave huge energy and mood boost. Specially at heart rate around AT. Really painful at that moment, lot of suffering, but after it gave some great feeling, sometimes close to euphoria.

**Wolv256** · 06-06-2013, 08:08 PM

I would recommend getting laid. And I don't mean that to be crass or as a joke. Nothing clears the mind like that. Whenever it's been awhile, it legitimately messes with your mind. We've all been there, bro.

**HGH_89** · 06-10-2013, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by Wolv256

I would recommend getting laid. And I don't mean that to be crass or as a joke. Nothing clears the mind like that. Whenever it's been awhile, it legitimately messes with your mind. We've all been there, bro.

Lol, my penis is ****ed bro. It is the main cause for my Heavy depression. I have to raise up £3,000 for the operation to hopefully fix it...

**bigsparky84** · 06-10-2013, 07:22 PM

Damn man, Then raising up the 3000 would be my #1 priority if it were me.

**HGH_89** · 06-11-2013, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by bigsparky84

Damn man, Then raising up the 3000 would be my #1 priority if it were me.

It was, but the first operation never did the job, so now it's a top priority still, but I have to get out of this borderline clinical depression that I'm in now after a couple tough ****ing years man! HGH is the answer to everything for me lol, along with this next operation

**HGH_89** · 07-09-2013, 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by swithuk

1. go to a lab and get blood work done to see if there are deficiencies
2. alter your diet (even a bit will make a difference ) have a look at nutrition section
3. add light exercise in to your routine . doesnt have to be the gym . just go for a long brisk walk for an hour e.d or eod

I have been to my GP's and asked for a testosterone check, androgen/anabolic rations, and GH levels (a full work up) and an endocrine workup.
This sounds ****ery but hopefully i'm heavily deficient in GH lol, I would get it all for free then, however I don't believe they ran these tests and I don't think they will either

I got my results back anyway and my thyroids are normal, my blood sugar is normal, my Vitamin D is low and my testosterone is..... Off the charts!!!
This was a Huge shock to me as I thought i'd be deficient in testosterone or GH. The normal range is between 7 - 29. They stop recording at 35+ and I was down as that, 35+!
I am going to change my diet as well bro, gonna get on "The Dolce Diet" eventually and start running every day again. Then I'ma get back on the boxing and weight training. My fitness is just horrendous right now, but I can still run a mile without stopping (Just about) but it does **** me up good man. I eat like I should be 20 stone, but I'm actually 9 1/2 - 10 stone due to my mad high metabolism.

Thanks for the replies my man

**Jiggylow** · 07-10-2013, 08:13 AM

I would get on some anti-depressant meds, start eating healthier, and start working out 3-4 times a week before I got into HGH...... really the workouts will make you feel great about yourself... and just build on that.... then after a long time, come back here and see how it goes... just IMO

**HGH_89** · 07-11-2013, 09:09 PM

Already on anti-depressants my man. good response, Thanks!

**JuicDinNY** · 07-31-2013, 01:43 AM

Originally Posted by swithuk

ok well done for being honest . the good news is that you will feel amazing if you only adjust your diet and exercise

diet - you dont have to go crazy and start having 6 meals a day and start weighing your food . go to the nutrition section and read the stickies there . theres some basic info there . swap fatty meat for lean meat for example , introduce more veg etc . you dont have to make huge changes to get amazing results . believe me you will feel positive and energized . remember that what you are probably eating now is equivalent of poison so no wonder you feel down and low . go to the nutrition section and do some basic reading and you will pick up alot also the guys there are very helpful. * you dont have to wait until your training to change your diet ! change your diet and it will literally change your life
exercise - you do not need to go to the gym at this stage . first just got for walks somewhere nice for about an hour e.d or eod . make sure its quite a brisk walk . after a few weeks of this introduce a light jog for 30 mins twice a week and then increase step by step

im telling you an improved diet and light regular exercise will do more for you that any pill a doc can give you . your diet and lack of exercise is most likely the cause

hgh - this will not fix your problems . look at hgh as icing on the cake . it will compliment a reasonable diet and reasonable exercise program . whatever positives one gets from hgh is easily negated by no exercise and poor diet

This is AMAZING to read. I have been battling Depression for over a year now with AD HD as well and just HAD to get off my AD HD me ds.

The Depression has almost enveloped my life. All i do is work and come home in a crappy mood and even thought I am EXHAUSTED, I dont sleep until like 3am or 4am with me ds. It is a VICIOUS cycle!

I am going to all sorts of doctors and trying to get this under control however I cant! I have felt like a damn Guinea pig on almost every single depression me dication known to man and nothing works. Starting to lose hope in the damn me dciine world.

On top of the Depress ion, Insomnia and A dhd, I have bad Endocrine issues as well. I am 27 years old and from bad abuse of ana bolics in the past, I have been to about 10 different endo's and EVERYONE is CLUELESS. MY levels are horrendous. I am currently on HRT with a low dose of Te st C yp once every 10 days and Syn throid for my Thyroid which was never an issue until about a year ago(go figure).

I have been in and out of depression and mood has been severely up and down for a while now. Thinking all the m eds have something to do with it. Synt hroid, Ad derall, Anti Anxiety m eds, Depression m eds and different S SRIs, Muscle Relaxers(all stemming from a horrific head on collission accident at high speeds which messed up my career, and all the hobbies and sports i used to love doing and now really cant do to the fullest.

My Social Life has almost become non existent due to all of this exploding into a boiling pot of s*it. Wishing there was ONE amazing doctor anywhere in the country(US) who could help me and say "oh geez no doctor ever looked at this or this or tested for this that and the third, or ever did this or that with you" and laughs out loud and tells me i'll be fixed in no time, but thats just not reality and im starting to see this!!!!!

All the Doctors so far in New York where I live are money hungry and couldnt give 2 sh*ts about me and just wanna push pi lls to me and use me as a trial and error animal. Have the BEST insurance money can buy but with all these visits and different doctors, I'm literally paying THOUSANDSSSSSS of dollars out of pocket in co pay and pre criptions and its getting out of hand.

All I want to do is feel like I have a tiny bit of energy to get out of bed and live my life. Dont get me wrong I am not only getting thru at my job now, but ranking in top 3 in the entire country and very proud of that but its all after using all different stimu lants like coffee and energy pills and A DHD m eds, etc to get me though the day just to crash and do the same thing tomrorow. I WISHHHHHHHH I could just wake up ONEEEE morning and feel energetic or able to get out of my bed without hitting SNOOZE literally TEN times and forcing myself to roll out of my bed at sometimes even 2pm and getting to work looking like a cr ackhead with blood red eyes and exhausted.

LITERALLY PRAYINGGGGGGGGGG someone reads this and says OMG I can lead this kid in the right direction. He really wants to change and help himself and not only his life but his families life that he has LITERALLY made a living h ell.

I have not been able to consistency hold a relationship or love life successfully for more than a year or two and now that i look back at it, its all my ups and downs and insecurities that is pushing everyone away and its horrible because NOW i understand why they did what they did. My life is controlled by me dications and I am slowly battling it by cutting more and more out and battling this uphill battle in hopes that I CAN and WILL get my REAL body, mind and energy back so I can make other people happy as well as myself and most of all show my FAMILY, the ONLY people who have been there for my consistently since day one, most of all my parents, and show them I really do want to change and love them just as much as they've loved me throughout all these years but all they have seen is someone who they know loves them with all their heart but CANNOT show emotion to say "hey mom hey dad just wanted to say I love you and appreciate all you've done for me".

I'm rambling on, but it feels great to vent on here and pray to GOD someones been here and experienced the same stuff or maybe something close to it. I'm guessing my non existent L H levels, F SH levels, up and down te st osterone levels, up and down est rogen levels, thyroid issues, inso mnia and sleep issues, p ain issues, ad hd issues, skin(an ce) issues for 10 years now, 2 gyne comastia surgeries so far in 5 years, severe car accident causing major anxiety issues, gastrointe stinal issues due to all the m eds im on, and the SEVERE depr ession its led me to sink into the past few years WORST than ever since I've been out of the gym.

I forgot that part, I have not consistently been in the gym training at all lately. All I used to do was train non stop sometimes even twice a day and was in the sickest shape of my life and now im slowly getting into the orst shape ever and I'm being a cop out and blaming it on my depression and mental and physical state of mind.

Worst of all I want to become the social beast I once was lol. I want to be there for my best friends, I want to be able to be the 27 year old good looking male I know I am and get my confidence back and meet all different types of people and more than anything else, get back to normal and let my mom and dad see me genuinely smile! It may sound corny but my mom and dad are my best friends in the world and would give the shirts off their back to give to ANYONE especially me and have done so through my rough times. I pray every single day and night for myself to get some resolve so I can get and gain the BEST relationship with them which I have been DYING to do but have been held at a crappy roadblock due to all the above mentioned stuff I'm dealing with. Its almost like a weird imaginary wall that is up that I can write novels about how much I love them and care for them etc etc etc and then when I am face to face with them, I am a miserable, attitude-wielding, P.O.S. that noone can stand and noone would wanna be around and I don't blame them for making me get some help.

Have been thinking about writing a book about half the crap I've been through and I';m almost positive it would be a best seller and this is only 1/20000th of the stuff I've dealt with all within a short 27 years on earth. I am a normal new york guy living the fast paced life and sometimes put into some stupid positions and make stupid decisions that i wouldn't normally make when I'm in my "new york state of mind". If your from here you know what im saying if not, its hard to explain.

THANK YOU SOOOOOOOO much for taking the time to read this and if nothing else, this helped me vent like crazyyyyyyyy and ANYONE who reads this and says "wow holy crap I can help this kid there really is help for him and i know a ton of people who have been here and beat this and i know how to do so" I would LOVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE to hear from you and would pay a trillion dollars for some resolve and relief.

Thank you again and look forward greatly to hearing back from anyone and everyone! You guys are amazing so far thank you very much!!!!!!

Greg aka JuicDinNY

**nafnlaus** · 08-11-2013, 07:52 PM

damn, long posts here. For the depression, socializing and exercises there is a good solution. Find some sport you like, i found olympic weightlifting and it was the answer to all of my problems. the difference between going to some gym and training sports with athletes is the group spirit, i earned respect and attention was not bad at all, girls like strength...

Unfortunately that blew up in my face, permanently injured and depressed since i have lost this big part of my mental and physical well being with it a lot of social parts are gone. Sports and activities are vital, but now i lean more towards making party going friends than athletic friends.