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    Came across this write up. Now. Having been and still am a sufferer of a heart problem. Namely s.v.t. (the speeding up of the heart). Mine being quite severe and far exceeding 240beats per minute in the only two attacks I've had in my life.

    1, 1st attack was roughly 3 years AFTER ceasing extremely hard although inexperienced weights and sports sessions of which was carried out for 5 years with only two gaps of approximately 3-4months in total. Maybe less

    2, 2nd attack around 2-3 years later having stopped working out thinking this was or maybe is the cause. Too much strain doctors would say.

    After 10 whole years of training (started back only April of last year), in the few years prior I had noticed minor episodes becoming more and more apparent.

    I took a look at myself. Now. I'd had episodes whilst at the gym in the past. But they were never serious like when I wasn't training. Its an actual FAULT with my heart. Not a desease. I decided to hit back at the gym...HARD... VERY HARD. I went from one extreme to the other. Training up to two hours every evening after work. I'd eat. Meticulously during work and at home. My meals were exactly the same. They tasted disgusting. Realllllly disgusting.

    My meals contain

    Brown rice
    Raw(yes... raw), broccoli
    Low fat ricotta on one small slice wholegrain seeded bread.

    Eggs. Whole. 7-8. Scrambled in microbe
    Quakers oats. Whole tub.


    Two heaped scoops of casein

    Now although as some of u know. I made some pretty pretty big differences in a year. Shown in my one year to the day thread. I'll have an 18month picture ready come October 2013 my diets "loosened" up. IVE loosened up. Had to. I decided to leave my ex partner. And sadly my daughter behind. I was out of work (still employed) but due to the doctors staring stress in the workplace were the cause of relapse into svt I don't work now. So things are very very very tight. Unbelievably tight!)

    I mainly eat either some kind of home marinated chicken or turkey. Sliced to a lil fingernail width.
    I prepare 2.5kilos at a time. And alternate this with homemade oven chips or rice. N add a bit of ketchup for taste. Maybe I'll pull the ingredients up at some point.

    I'll post pictures below this write up.

    I've seriously digressed n as usual. I've wondered way way off point.

    Cholesterol. Heart disease. I here this thrown around in bodybuilding. U MUST EAT THIS TO LOWER YOUR CHOLESTEROL (bad at least). But. Apart from the quite obvious fact we eat Mega amounts of protein. Usually 4-5 times as much as a normal human being. Are we really setting ourselves up for future heart attacks. Hardening of the vessels..exponential increases in cholesterol?

    Because one n a bit years in. My heart feels a whole damn better than it did. It feels strong. It feels more steady. My episodes if I get them ate able to subside in record time enough to carry on working out if perchance it happens at the gym (more episodes happen during inexertion rather than from exertion itself).

    So I went n did some digging. N found the following.

    Please elaborate. Tear apart. Expand upon. Add more studies to this as to me. This is important. And I remember there are surprisingly quite a few here with one sort of heart problem or another. So I hope this thread becomes useful.

    Re: Steroids & Cholesterol & heart disease

    (good article. A must read)

    The Positive Effects of Testosterone on the Heart by Doug Kalman MS,RD

    Steroids will cause your kidneys to implode, your heart to blow a ventricle, and your liver to squirt out of your ****, fly across the room,and knock the cat off the futon. We read it on the Internet and saw an after school special about it, so it must be true, right?

    Actually, the more you learn about steroids,the more you come to realize that, like all drugs, there's a difference between their intelligent use and outright abuse. In this article, Doug Kalman takes alook at the effects of Testosterone on the heart. What he found may surprise you.

    Over the years we've all heard the repeated mantra that anabolic steroids are bad for the heart. Some physicians will tell you that gear raises your risk of heart disease by lowering your good cholesterol (HDL) and raising your badcholesterol (LDL). In fact, as some docs will tell you, steroids are known to even induce cardiac hypertrophy (enlargement of the heart). And since you can't flex your heart in an effort to woo women, who'd want that?

    But, as in every story, there's more than one side. In fact, let it be said,the dangers of steroids are overstated and, hold onto your seats, may even be good for the heart. Let's examine some of the scientific studies on the positive effects of Testosterone on the heart.

    What are the cardiovascular effects of steroids ?

    Cardiologists at the Royal Prince Alfred Hospital in Australiarecruited both juicing and non-juicing bodybuilders for a study. Each bodybuilder had various aspects of the heart measured (carotid intima-media thickness, arterial reactivity, left ventricular dimensions, etc.). These measurements indicate whether bodybuilding, steroid usage or both affect the function, size, shape and activity of the heart.

    The doctors found some obvious and not so obvious results. Predictably,those bodybuilders who usedsteroids were physically stronger than those who didn't. What was surprising was that the use of steroids was not found to cause any significant changes or abnormalities of arterial structure or function.

    In essence, when the bodybuilders (both groups) were compared with sedentary controls, any changes in heart function were common to bodybuilders. The take home message from this study is that bodybuilding itself can alter (not impair) arterial structure/function and that steroids do not appear to impair cardiac function. (1)

    Does MRFIT need a T boost?

    A famous cardiac study was published about 10 years ago. It soon became on ongoing study known as the Multiple Risk Factor Intervention Trial (MRFIT). The present study examined changes in Testosterone over 13 years in 66 men aged 41 to 61 years. The researchers determined if changes in total Testosterone are related to cardiovascular disease risk factors.

    The average Testosterone levels at the beginning of the study were 751 ng/dl and decreased by 41 ng/dl. Men who smoked or exhibited Type A behavior were found to have even greater decreases in T levels. The change in Testosterone was also associated with an increase in triglyceride levels and a decrease in the good cholesterol (HDL).

    The authors concluded that decreases in Testosterone levels as observed in men over time are associated with unfavorable heart disease risk. (2) Sounds to me like a good reason to get T support/replacement therapy in the middle age years!

    In asimilar study, researchers in Poland examined if Testosterone replacement therapy in aging men positively effected heart disease risk factors. Twenty-two men with low T levels received 200 mg of Testosterone enanthate every other week for one year. Throughout treatment, Testosterone, estradiol, total cholesterol, HDL and LDL were measured.

    The researchers determined that T replacement returned both Testosterone and estradiol levels back to normal and acceptable levels. They also found that T replacement lowered cholesterol and LDL (the bad cholesterol) without altering HDL(the good cholesterol). Furthermore, there was no change in prostate function or size.

    The take home message from this study is that T replacement doesn't appear to raise heart disease risk and it may actually lower your risk. (3) It appears that more physicians should be prescribing low dose Testosterone to middle age and aging men for both libido, muscle tone and for cardiac reasons.

    What about younger men?

    It's been long established that men have a higher risk of heart disease. One of the risk factors implicated is Testosterone. Reportedly,the recreational use of Testosterone can alter lipoprotein levels and, in fact, case reports exist describing bodybuilders who've abused steroids and have experienced heart disease or even sudden death. But the question remains,is the causal association one of truth or just an association?

    To answer this, researchers at the University of North Texas recruited twelve competitive bodybuilders for a comprehensive evaluation of the cardiovascular effects of steroids. Six heavyweight steroid-using bodybuilders were compared with six heavyweight drug-free bodybuilders.


    As expected, the heavy steroid users had lower total cholesterol andHDL levels as compared to the drug-free athletes. What was unexpected was that the steroid users also had significantly lower LDL (the bad cholesterol) and triglyceride levels as compared to the non-steroid users. In addition, the juicers also had lower apolipoprotein B levels (a marker for heart disease risk). Thus, the authors concluded that androgens do not appear to raise the risk of cardiovascular disease. (4) The take home message from this study is that the negative cardiac side effects of steroids are most likely overstated.

    In alittle more progressive study, researchers at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine in the Boogie Down Bronx (the BDB to those in the know) examined Testosterone as a possible therapy for cardiovascular disease. (5) The researchers note that T can be given in oral, injectable, pellet and transdermal delivery forms. It's noted that injections of Testosterone (100 to 200 mg every two weeks) in men with low levels of T will decrease total cholesterol and LDLwhile raising the HDL.

    In fact, Testosterone therapy has been found to have antianginal effects (reduces chest pain). Low levels of Testosterone are also correlated with high blood pressure, specifically high systolic pressure. The researchers determined that returning T levels back to normal and even high-normal levels have positive cardiovascular effects and should be considered as an adjunctive treatment for maintaining muscle mass when someone has congestive heart failure.

    Putting it all together

    Strong research demonstrates that the risks of negative cardiovascular effects of steroids are overstated. In fact, a recent paper published in the Canadian Journal of Applied Physiology questioned the whole risk of using steroids. (6) Joey Antonio, Ph.D. and Chris Street MS,CSCS published strong data showing that the risks of steroid use are largely exaggerated, much like scare tactics used by your parents while you were a kid. Of course, it goes unsaid that abuse of anything will lead to unwanted consequences.

    We know that as we age, circulating Testost erone levels naturally decrease. For most people the Testosterone decrease goes from high-normal to mid to low normal. Data shows that there's an inverse relationship between T levels and blood pressure as well as abdominal obesity (that paunch we see on so many middle age males).

    Testo sterone replacement lowers abdominal obesity and restores Testo sterone back to normal levels. Restored Test osterone is correlated with better mood, better muscle tone, stronger sex drive, lower cardiovascular disease risks, stronger bones and better memory. It's important to note that while conservative use gives a pronounced positive health benefit, higher doses may not necessarily lead to further health benefits.

    What to do

    If you see your body composition changing (your gut starts looking like your Uncle Lester's), your strength or muscle tone diminishing despite your hard training and good diet,and your sex drive not matching up to TC's columns, have your Test oster one levels checked. The acceptable normal range for Testosterone to physicians is 300 mg/dl to 1100 mg/dl. Yes, that's a pretty wide range.

    In the clinic, we see people with the complaints consistent with "and ropause" (a term for male menopause) and/or increased cardiovascular risk having Tes toste rone levels between 300 mg/dl and 550 mg/dl. Bringing it up to the mid to high-normal level is what gives the health and "youthful" benefits. Traditionally 200 mg/dl of supplemental Tes tost erone given every one to two weeks improves body composition, lowers total cholesterol and LDL, while raising HDL.

    It appears that supplemental T is a healthier and safer way to go than many of the drugs used to treat poor lipid profiles. The datapresented in this article applies for males over 35, not those who are 18. If you think that you can benefit from Testosterone therapy look for physicians who market themselves as "anti-aging" or "longevity physicians" as well as the more progressive endocrinologists or cardiologists.

    Long story short, used intelligently,Testosterone is good medicine!

    About the author: Douglas S. Kalman MS, RD is a Director for Miami Research Associates (MiamiResearch . com) a leading pharmaceutical and nutrition research organization in Miami, Florida. Doug is also anational spokesperson for the AmericanCollege of Sports Medicine and according to his latest test has high T levels. Doug can be reached at dknole*************


    1) Sader MA, Griffiths KA,McCredie RJ, et al. Androgenic anabolic steroids and arterial structure and function in male bodybuilders. J Am Coll Cardiol 2001;37(1):224-230.

    2) Zmuda JM, Cauley JA, Kriska A, et al. Longitudinal relation between endogenous testosterone and cardiovascular disease risk factors in middle aged men. A 13 year follow-up of former Multiple Risk Factor Intervention Trial participants. Am J Epidemiol 1997;146(:609-617.

    3) Zgliczynski S, Ossowski M, Slowinska-Srednicka J, et al. Effect of testosterone replacement therapy on lipids and lipoproteins in hypogonadal and elderly men. Atherosclerosis 1996;121(1):35-43.

    4) Diekerman RD, McConathy WJ,Zachariah NY. Testosterone, sex hormone-binding globulin, lipoproteins and vascular disease risk. J Cardiovasc Risk 1997;4(5-6):363-366.

    5) Shapiro J, Christiana J, Frishman WH. Testosterone and other anabolic steroids as cardiovascular drugs. Am J Ther 1999;6(3):167-174.

    6) Antonio J, Street C. Androgen use by athletes: A reevaluation of the health risks. Can JAppl Physiol 1996;21(6):421-440.
    Last edited by MajorPectorial; 06-30-2013 at 05:56 PM.
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    2.5 kilograms chicken breast
    Sliced little fingernail thin crisp shape. This us easier then to use as shish. Grilling. Stuffing Anything. Simply frying. Home made chicken balls with cheesy centre. Whatever u like

    Blending sauce with blender for marinade
    red onion x 2
    spinach one bag (missed this. Buying tomoroow
    Spicy chicken seasoning tblsp x 2
    Curry (tikka)powder tblsp x1
    Basil (or dried mixed herbs) tabs x 2 two hand -----------------fulls fresh
    Turmeric tblsp x 1
    Paprika tblsp x 2
    Garlic one bulb (yes all of it)
    Wholegrain mustard
    500ml best ketchup u can put ur hands on.
    And couple lashes of (good) rich extra virgin olive oil

    Salt & pepper to taste if u wish. I didn't.

    I simply lay this in bits on the grill. Ready in 20-25 minutes at 180c

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