Want to recover from lumbar back injury using AAS

[dragunov11]

Couple of days ago, I got a sharp back pain from just sitting in a car, same place where I was injured 3 years ago. This pain has occurred thrice before during the span, and upon getting a MRI, turns out I have L4-L5 , L5-S1 dehydrated posterior and bilateral bulging disc. Am usually very active and this injury has
again put a limit on my life. Last time i got this injury a year ago, I wasn't able to sit or walk for 3 weeks atleast. So for a year, I've worked a lot on my back flexibility and RoM to build the strength necessary to keep working out. However, this time during the pain, I haven't lost mobility and atleast I can get away with the essentials. Walking is still awkward with small steps, sideways. The MRI also indicates muscle spasm in the lumbar region.

Am 25 years old, 220 lbs on scale with 18% bf. I've decided to solve this problem yet again with exercise, however am considering taking help from AAS to not only recover faster, but in a way I haven't been able to do before.

From what I've read, Deca /Test-e , Boldenone (equipoise ), IGF-1 LR3, PGF seem to be good candidates to help in recovery. I know there haven't been any research on discs and AAS as such, but even if I can get 10% better using AAS, am willing to try. On IGF-1, have seen a research report that stops degeneration of discs almost completely.

My physio says that I should'nt lift weights or if possible, skip gym for the next 6 months, which is not acceptable to me. I'd happily stop lifting, but I can still do a lot of other exercises that will completely isolate my back from any
weight, even my body weight. I know I can't lift, but atleast I can pull. Pulling vertically is almost same as physiotherapy's traction method.

Your opinion would be very valuable.

Thanks

[hawk14dl]

My opinion, heal up. Maybe not 6 months, but take some time off. You'll be able to get back where you are after you're healed, but if you really tear something up now, you'll be forced to take a lot longer time off.

The back is nothing to mess around with. Play it safe

[dragunov11]

My opinion, heal up. Maybe not 6 months, but take some time off. You'll be able to get back where you are after you're healed, but if you really tear something up now, you'll be forced to take a lot longer time off.

The back is nothing to mess around with. Play it safe

Yeah, am planning to take time off. But am not sure whether I'll heal or just maintain what's damaged. If its just maintaining, am willing to experiment in small steps.

And for going to the gym, I don't plan to do anything heavy at all. Maybe just 10-20% of my 1RM , or maybe even 5lbs toy dumbbells. My priority is for the discs to re-hydrate and heal. How I am going to achieve that, I don't know. But am pretty sure its not by staying on bed.

I agree with you, any small injury on top of this now will kick me off below the start line.

[Chicagotarsier]

Go to a doctor and have an MRI (not Cat scan) on your lumbar. You might be astounded to find out what you find out. I have surgery set up for march to remove a "genetic" issue that is pinching a nerve. The spinal bone has an outward indention on the spinal side of the bone compressing the spine and exiting nerve. Simple surgery and should be swinging better than new. Would not have had a clue on this without an MRI.

As for healing....I think NPP is godly. I took this for 10 weeks straight first cycle (second month TrT) so as to help replace the synoval fluid in my joints...it worked like a champ. Everything stayed ok except the one lumbar issue that no amount of AAS would have impacted. The one thing that removes the pain from the pinch...Anavar . But you cannot take an oral forever.

[dragunov11]

Go to a doctor and have an MRI (not Cat scan) on your lumbar. You might be astounded to find out what you find out. I have surgery set up for march to remove a "genetic" issue that is pinching a nerve. The spinal bone has an outward indention on the spinal side of the bone compressing the spine and exiting nerve. Simple surgery and should be swinging better than new. Would not have had a clue on this without an MRI.

As for healing....I think NPP is godly. I took this for 10 weeks straight first cycle (second month TrT) so as to help replace the synoval fluid in my joints...it worked like a champ. Everything stayed ok except the one lumbar issue that no amount of AAS would have impacted. The one thing that removes the pain from the pinch...Anavar. But you cannot take an oral forever.

I mentioned I've had a MRI scan specifically for lumbar. And yes I was astounded on what I found out. Surgery is the last resort for me. Am all fix-it-with-workout kind of guy. My bones are all fine, actually doc says they're great. Its the disc that is the issue.

Am considering to go with NPP/Test-e for my first cycle, and continue IGF-1 LR3 throughout for like 4-6 months. My main lumbar issue the doc says is disc dehydration, which was caused by an injury 3 years ago.

[Chicagotarsier]

Sorry did not read completely.

The one thing (after completely reading) is you had this injury and it returned over a 3-year period..that is the definition of cronic pain and injury.

The thing I would ask is what was the root cause for the disc dehydration the Doc provided? These things do not "just happen". For me mine was caused by low test (Hypogonadal).

[dragunov11]

Sorry did not read completely.

The one thing (after completely reading) is you had this injury and it returned over a 3-year period..that is the definition of cronic pain and injury.

The thing I would ask is what was the root cause for the disc dehydration the Doc provided? These things do not "just happen". For me mine was caused by low test (Hypogonadal).

Thats a good question I haven't asked yet. The physio says its due to me lifting. I don't think so. From what I've read though, disc dehydration can set in after an injury.

I don't seem to have low test I think. I build muscle fairly quickly, like 15 lbs in past 6 months with improper diet and reduction in bf %.
Thats one reason I never thought about AAS until now.

One good point is, the past 3 times my injury surfaced, I wasn't able to move or walk for few weeks atleast. This time, am mobile since the resurfacing itself. Maybe the back muscles I developed over the last year might be helping, cause my back is sore as if I had a heavy back day at gym, specially the rhomboids.

[RewardingLabor]

As for healing....I think NPP is godly. I took this for 10 weeks straight first cycle (second month TrT) so as to help replace the synoval fluid in my joints...it worked like a champ. Everything stayed ok except the one lumbar issue that no amount of AAS would have impacted. The one thing that removes the pain from the pinch...Anavar. But you cannot take an oral forever.

Did the NPP do anything as far as muscle building or did it just make your joints feel better? Is that something that may help with chronic knee pain? What dose did you take and did you take it alone or with some test e or something?

And dragunov1 I completely understand the mentality you've got but 3 years is a long time, I was able to minimize pain with stretching and I could still do close grip lat pulldowns for 250 pounds with multiple bulging discs injury… so its not like my body was completely broken… but I just had surgery and ALL the pain (except for the stitches) is gone now. I think its worth it.

[Rida5d]

I never recovered from the l4/l5 disk .. Hope you are more lucky than me..
Now , I'm not squatting , and I can't do deadlifts
Every now and then I try , but I end up at home for several days can't move my ass from the pain ..
I know some people who recovered from that shit , but I m not one of those..

IMO, juice might help in that , but don't have big expectations .. Better u place your bet on progressive training for core muscles (abs and lower back) .. This will ease the pain .

I also want to tell u that stretching is great and helps , but it's boring as hell..

Good luck

[dragunov11]

Did the NPP do anything as far as muscle building or did it just make your joints feel better? Is that something that may help with chronic knee pain? What dose did you take and did you take it alone or with some test e or something?

And dragunov1 I completely understand the mentality you've got but 3 years is a long time, I was able to minimize pain with stretching and I could still do close grip lat pulldowns for 250 pounds with multiple bulging discs injury… so its not like my body was completely broken… but I just had surgery and ALL the pain (except for the stitches) is gone now. I think its worth it.

During the past 3 years, apart from when the injury resurfaced, I haven't had any kind of pain in between, with complete flexibility and range
of motion. Surgery I believe, with the current given technology, isn't something that is worth for my level of injury. I don't suffer from pain. The pain goes after first 3 days of injury resurfacing, thats it.

[dragunov11]

I never recovered from the l4/l5 disk .. Hope you are more lucky than me..
Now , I'm not squatting , and I can't do deadlifts
Every now and then I try , but I end up at home for several days can't move my ass from the pain ..
I know some people who recovered from that shit , but I m not one of those..

IMO, juice might help in that , but don't have big expectations .. Better u place your bet on progressive training for core muscles (abs and lower back) .. This will ease the pain .

I also want to tell u that stretching is great and helps , but it's boring as hell..

Good luck

I've read that you can't heal from a bulging or dehydrated discs. I was doing a bit of squats and deadlifts before the resurfacing of the injury, but I think those may have played a role in it.

I hope you don't try it again, it will never work for us, with damaged discs. Even lifting weights will accelerate the degeneration.

Am hoping the juice will help me strengthen my lumbar muscles, which at the moment, I can't reach through exercises.

My abdominal muscles are very strong, its the lower back muscles that are a big problem I think. Maybe the imbalance between
the core and lumbar muscles aggravates this condition. Agree with you that stretching helps, been using a traction machine to help
too.

Thanks for writing m8.

[yannick35]

No i tried this and it did not work look into prolotherapy try to get morruhate or PRP instead of dextrose which is not very good for strong people like use.

Right now i am back in training due to PRP and whole blood prolotherapy i cannot lift as heavy as i did but still better then nothing,

Diet must be prime i did not heal at first due to stress , taking too many stimulant to try to lose weight and other dumb things like that,

Steroids wont do a thing to help recover from this prolotherapy should do very well

chiorpractic avoir like the plague they are all idiots

[djs2224]

I have a lumbar sprain at the l5 for past 2 years and peptides won't help that I just orderd a inversion table hoping it will help I think it will
Look up inversion table for back pain

[bartman314]

make sure the diagnosis is accurate, maybe via a couple of dr's opinions. then look for a GOOD physical therapist with the injury you have. in my experience there is a very broad range of capability in pt's, and working with a good one makes all the difference.