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06-12-2004, 01:05 AM #81
bump for an update
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06-12-2004, 07:18 AM #82Originally Posted by chrisAdams
At any rate, the second to last post of page two has my end of week three update in detail, but I'll certainly add some fodder and random thoughts here: with regards to sides, my subconscious or something has been going nuts and absolutely running with the idea that I'm going to get slammed by them. Virtually nightly, I have a very detailed, very 'real-feeling' dream in which I either awake to find my scalp resembling that of George Costanza's or find that my back is so covered in acne I can scarcely sit down without pain. Of course, thanfully, neither has come to fruition and it seems likely that neither will, but the anxiety is most certainly there in a big way.
At present, the most difficult aspect of the cycle has been a mental one as well - that of "keeping myself in check". My workouts are, by and large going so well and resulting in such incredible pumps that I find myself wanting to hit the gym for a weight training session not only every day, but sometimes more than once a day, which, on top of my daily a.m. cardio would be an overkill on all but the most ambitious cycle imaginable. I'm resisting the urge well enough right now, but feel that this is an aspect that will become MUCH tougher when fina is introduced in about 8 days. If the strength gains even while cutting show themselves in the same manner that many report, I'll have to make a very conscious effort not to get too greedy and derail my progress by overtraining and either injuring myself or burning myself out mentally. I would like the six weeks of fina to be effective weeks during which my workouts are not interrupted and there is as little going on in my life to distract me from my training as possible.
That's it for now other than to mention that I'll be giving SwoleCat's 7-day "blitz program" a trial run in the days leading up to the fourth of july (as good a time as any I guess to 'peak' for that day) so that I can see how I respond to it so that I might utilize it for the seven days leading up to my photos should all go according to plan. Below is a link to this plan:
***http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=459329
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06-12-2004, 10:29 AM #83Member
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Hey man just reading the journal. Seems like your making really good progress so far!
Have you decided if you were going to run the T3 & Clen yet? I think that a good choice in that regard would be to run either ECA or Clen with T3, on and off the entire time you do Tren ace. As for preferance I have ran both Clen and ECA and can say the ECA did a much better job than the Clen simply because it helps you out mentally (Its annoretic effects are awsome when dieting) much more so than clen.
I have also done T3, and can tell you that without AAS it wastes muscle big time. Even when guaging temperature between 98.5 & 99, I lost an incredible amount of muscle in a very short time. Keep in mind that the T3 will raise your RMR dramatically and not to do any sudden calorie drops at the begining like I did.
Good luck with the modeling bro!
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06-12-2004, 09:41 PM #84Originally Posted by Steroids101
To give you an idea of that constant fine line with which I am flirting anytime I attempt to lean out, here is a picture of me prior to beginning any weightraining, but still physically mature, as I had just graduated high school in this picture.
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06-13-2004, 03:51 PM #85
Brief Update
These past two days (saturday and sunday) were absolute nightmares!! While I hit up 60 minutes of cardio each morning (as opposed to the normal 45) and had one hell of a workout in the weightroom saturday afternoon, I was overcome both days by this urge not so much to break diet/training/supplementation/gear but to just 'not do it'. It's not as though I craved cheat meals (though I went through an hour spell where i did crave pizza and even went to a pizza place down the street just to smell the stuff), didn't feel like working out or anything specific, but rather I just didn't want to deal with the whole thing. I just wanted a day without injections, multi-vitamins, whey, and even just thinking about any of the above. I managed to get through it just fine, and stuck by diet and training to the letter, but **** that was the first difficult run mentally I've had in a number of months.
On another front altogether, I have, after a great deal of debate, elected to at least give the ECA/Clen rotation a try. The benefits of ECA are wearing off in my opinion - an assertion i feel quite comfortable making in that I can pop my 25mg ephedrine, 200mg caffeine and 300mg aspirin and, if I so desire, actually take a nap shortly thereafter, whereas when i started I couldn't even sit down after half that dose and it was like I was on speed. Definitely time to change it up. So this coming saturday (about a week from today) I introduce both clen and tren (hey, they rhyme!)...i normally prefer not introducing two new compounds or changes of any variety at the same time, but the tren was planned for that day and I don't know that I'll have clen in hand before then.
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06-13-2004, 04:49 PM #86
BigGreen - you ever read the book "Muscle: confessions of an unlikely bodybuilder" ? Its about an ivy league bodybuilder. You'd probably like it.
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06-13-2004, 06:32 PM #87Originally Posted by AandF6969
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06-13-2004, 10:36 PM #88Originally Posted by BigGreen
Glad to see you have made the decision to start up on the tren and clen . I have a feeling that you will absolutely love tren. Plus your first bout with clen wont allow you to go to sleep shortly after taking it. I had trouble falling asleep 8 hours after my initial dose. Good luck bro and btw you're looking pretty lean. The one area of target I noticed from the pics was your side caps on your delts seem to be an area you may want to target with this cycle. I'm confident you can still make gains while on tren regardless of the lack of calories. I swear the stuff is hand crafted from God* (you may substitute TheChosenOne here).
I will begin my cutting thread sometime this week. I have opted to go anabolic free during 12 weeks of cutting. We'll see how well that works out. I think I may hold off on AAS for a full year or more. I still think I have some natural ability left in the tank that I impatiently jumped the gun on. You will have to chime in on my thread when I get it up and running. Good Luck bro.
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06-16-2004, 02:07 PM #89
I just read the whole fu*king post! I demand an update... Bump!
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06-16-2004, 07:10 PM #90
yeah, seriously green.. 2 days is too long.
I'll give you a little update on my back however. Got an MRI, and the culprit is a herniated disc. They prescribed me mobic and soma, and i sold the soma to some friends because they constipate me. Mobic however is an amazing anti inflammatory, and i have had nary a symptom since the day after i started taking it. I'm debating putting this cycle back on after about 2 weeks of physical therapy.
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06-17-2004, 12:25 AM #91
Hey BG, didn't notice the cycle diary until today, read the whole thing to play catch up. Sounds like it's yielding more desirable results compared to your previous cycle... best of luck with everything. I'll be checking back frequently so keep us updated.
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06-17-2004, 07:26 PM #92
Hey BigG just wondering how everything's going. I've seen you online every day now but still no updates Don't leave us hanging too long!
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06-17-2004, 08:59 PM #93
lame. It's the 17th for dog's sake.
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06-18-2004, 02:27 PM #94
Hello? Bump.
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06-19-2004, 09:18 AM #95
BG is lost. Come home BG.
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06-20-2004, 09:48 AM #96Originally Posted by chrisAdams
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06-20-2004, 11:37 AM #97
END OF WEEK FOUR UPDATE (a tad late )
Workouts: Now things have really begun to take off and I am literally making documented progress every single workout. Don't get me wrong, it's by no means easy (in fact it's kicking my ass to do so) but now it's there for every muscle group and, with tren upcoming (more on that below) likely here to stay for the remainder of the cycle. Just to add a quick note on DC-style training, once you utilize this type of training, i don't know that you can ever truly go back to anything but very deliberate and prolonged negatives. While you may not stick with the 8-second eccentric, I don't think you'll ever go back to the 'standard' version either. I worked out with a friend and went through his workout with him, and while I wasn't adhering to my DC training that particular day so that I could go through his workout, my sets were taking at least twice as long because I was using a very accentuated negative....it's something that's definitely staying in my training whether I'm a faithful DC convert at the end or not.
Diet: Thank god I'm a creature of habit, as this diet would be killing me right now if I wasn't so 'robotic' in that regard. I simply can not get over how remarkable it is to be craving an apple or an orange like a "normal dieter" in our culture might crave chocolate cake or donuts in moments of weakness. My roommate made a fruit salad for lunch the other day and I nearly had to leave the room to avoid tears I wanted some so bad.
The Cycle:: Sides are still very managable, if even existent. There has been no outbreak of acne save for a slight but barely noticeable increase on the shoulders and back (like one or two 'randoms' popping up) and the only real 'side' which has shown up with any real vigor is that of an extremely heightened rate of body hair (re)growth. Mentally, and this seems to happen to some people I've heard (and i'm wondering if those of us spared the physical sides tend to get hit with this mental aspect), *everything* is heightened in terms of emotions. My highs are so amazingly high but my lows are so incredibly low to the point it's frightening. Now, I'm quite introspective and very aware of my emotions, so there's little question that they're heightened in all regards...I'm not sure what I make of it, but it most definitely started with the cycle and that can't be pure coincidence.
Progress: NOW WE'RE TALKING! Fat loss remains nice and steady with no real signs of muscle wasting. Vascularity is well on the rise and I dare say even some size in certain lagging muscles may be creeping on. Strength is on the rise and, all in all, I couldn't realistically be happier with the progress I'm making at this point.
Looking Forward: I started clen today (40mcg with no real effect either way in these first four hours yet) and begin tren tomorrow, so these next two weeks should bring some most promising results.
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06-21-2004, 06:10 PM #98
Just a quick update for y'all:
I've begun three new endeavors of varying intensity this week that will no doubt help me bring things along at an accelerated rate, with the only problem in doing so being, I normally dislike beginning more than one new approach in this regard, as it then becomes tougher to pinpoint exactly which component is having which effect, good or bad. Anyway, the three components are 1. tanning, 2. clen , and 3. tren .
1. Tanning: while it won't be responsible for anything dramatic, when you're as white and pasty as I am with my English, Irish, German, and Swedish roots, it actually makes a *dramatic* difference and i think it may be responsible for most aesthetic progress in the next four to six days.
2. Clen: I went 40mcg yesterday and 60mcg today (planning on 80mcg tomorrow) and so far no real noticeable effect. I'm wiped the hell out, but attribute that to the cessation of the ECA stack and NOT (at least not yet) the effect of clen. I guess I felt a little "high" within a few hours of taking the 60mcg, but nothing that i could definitively attribute to the clen.
3. Tren: Finished the homebrew today and took my first shot shortly thereafter. Now this I am GREATLY looking forward to. If sides are managable and effects are what I'm optimistically expecting, I'll be upping the dosage to 75mg/day (doing 50mg/day now) and extend the time on (planning on five weeks now).
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06-21-2004, 07:40 PM #99
Hey Green. I'm glad you posted. I was starting to think you had turned into a douche.
What kind of strength gains are you experiencing? Can we see some numbers?
A quick update on myself, I'm back in the gym, the disc has proven itself to be a worthy adversary. I can train everything to a reasonable extent except my legs. I can do extensions and curls, but no squats, deadlifts, SLD's, leg press, hack squats, et alia. I also can't do bentover rows, but do Tbar instead. I Tried doing 20 sets of leg extensions yestday, but the pump was so unbearable that i had to quit after 15. As soon as iI can do compound movements realiably and without fear, I will start my cycle.
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06-22-2004, 07:27 PM #100Originally Posted by chrisAdams
Originally Posted by chrisAdams
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06-22-2004, 07:31 PM #101
UPDATE worth mentioning
Just thought I'd make a brief update post since my experiences on clen today (80mcg) certainly warrant comment.
While I was devoid of the shakes, I definitely saw a rush of virtually every other effect (no cramping though, thank the gods) clen is known for once I bumped to 80mcg. I had a massive headache at one point, to such a degree that i'll be traveling at all times with some extra strength tylenol for the duration of my clen runs. Additionally, anxiety was absolutely UNREAL. I'm not normally an anxious, unsettled person, but it hit me HARD today...I wanted to get some reading done, started and got about ten pages in before i started getting all bent out of shape that my room wasn't clean, so I cleaned it and got pissed at myself for not reading...went back to reading then got pissed and all out of sorts cuz the dishes weren't done. This is VERY unusual and VERY new for me....i guess it gets **** done around here, but other than that, I could do without it.
Also, despite the fact that my clen contains no keto, it absolutely wipes me right out within two hours of taking it to the point I want to do nothing but sleep. Now, this may still be attributable to the post-ECA crash, as the times I'm crashing roughly coincide with what would have been ECA administration times, but we'll see what the coming days bring in this regard.
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06-22-2004, 07:48 PM #102Originally Posted by chrisAdams
Each rep scheme with the x/x/x represents a rest pause of 15 seconds each pause for three total "mini-sets" within the rest pause. Each improvement has taken place over the last four weeks and change:
10/4/3 to 16/5/3 on Smith Hack Squats with the same weight
8/3/3 to 10/4/3 on Hammer Strength Bench Presses with the same weight
9/4/3 to 10/3/2 on preacher curls with a 10lb weight increase to boot
9/4/3 to 10/3/3 on pulldowns with a 15lb weight increase to boot
Those are just a few of the random exercises I picked out. All except for incline smith press (go figure) have seen similar leaps, though it appeared tonight that the incline smith press movement may be on its way....keepign my fingers crossed on that one.
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06-22-2004, 08:28 PM #103
Do you like the machine style training, or is it just due to the fact that you don't have a spotter for DC training? If it's just the matter of a spotter...****...I'd for sure try to find someone. I personally use more free weights whenever possible. Not only is it better for your mechanics, but also a greater contraction can be achieved. With the DC style training, take hammer strength bench press for example, with DB's you would pull more fast-twitch muscle fibers in to action as you would have to isolate the weight over your chest. (Instead of the machine keeping it in one identical motion).
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06-22-2004, 09:09 PM #104
Best of luck to you bro.. it seems like you really have things planned out well man. keep us all updated.
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06-23-2004, 09:27 AM #105
Welcome back BG. I just started lurking again too. Nice journal, and keep at it. I can't wait to read about your clen shakes. My assistant looks at me funny when my hands shake while signing documents. She must think I am in alcohol withdrawl.
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06-23-2004, 01:48 PM #106Originally Posted by Austex
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06-23-2004, 01:51 PM #107Originally Posted by sigrabbit
By the way, I assume you're up for Fantasy Football again? We're trying to get 12 *real* actual genuine AR members for this go around and not any "flash in the pan" types.
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06-23-2004, 04:09 PM #108
Mini-Journal within a Journal!!
Okay, beginning this coming friday, I am undertaking a trial run of our own Diet Guru Swolecat's carb/water/sodium depleting and loading strategy in an attempt to see how my body responds to his basic plan. Knowing him and his wealth of knowledge, I have no doubt I'll respond favorably, something which I'll have to keep telling myself, as it will be difficult for sure.
I will keep a daily journal during this time, in addition to posting 7-day before and afters. I will be using the scale during this, if only to see how dramatic the effects are during this week. As I'm already lean, I'm expecting good things.
In addition to keeping the journal here, an exact replica will be found in the diet forum as well. I'm hoping that this proves to be a valuable experience, as it will no doubt (particularly on the 1/4 gallon of H20 allotment day) be a grueling one in many respects. I hope you all take something away from it too. I will have one nice cheat meal tomorrow to mentally get myself ready for the friday 'warm-up'.
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06-23-2004, 04:28 PM #109Originally Posted by BigGreen
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06-23-2004, 05:02 PM #110
OKay, here's a summarized cliff notes of my approach leading up to the third of july. Again, i'll be posting before and afters which hopefull will show a substantial improvement for only a seven day period.
Friday, June 25th
Workout: Full-body workout (2 sets per part) at relatively high reps followed by a prolonged posing session with a deep squeeze for each muscle group.
Diet: The standard diet which I have been following but with a slightly lowered PWO carb-intake.
Supplementation: 300mg R-ALA & 50mg Vanadyl Sulfate with 2 PWO meals
Water: Normal water intake (approximately 2 gallons per day for me)
Sodium: Normal sodium intake (fairly mild)
Saturday, June 26th
Workout: 40 mins of a.m. cardio and an afternoon posing session
Diet: Standard but with only carbs coming after morning cardio and posing session (perhaps 60-80grams total).
Supplementation: 300mg R-ALA & 50mg vanadyl Sulfate with the two carb meals.
Water:Standard water intake
Sodium: Standard Sodium intake.
Sunday, June 27th
Workout: 40 minutes of morning cardio and an 'arms only' workout in the afternoon (3-4 sets each @ 13-15 reps).
Diet: Begin carb depletion by taking in only half a cup of oats and the 30-some-odd grams of carbs in my PWO MRP for my total carb intake.
Supplementation: VS and R-ALA with my carb meals
Water: 2 gallons
Sodium:In addition to taking in a full bouillon cube after cardio and before bed, all solid food will be salted.
Monday, June 28th
Workout: 40 mins of a.m. cardio and p.m. workout consisting of chest and shoulders
Diet: carbs restricted solely to the two PWO (weight training) meals
Supplementation: standard VS and R-ALA with carb meals.
Water: 2 gallons
Sodium: solid foods salted and a bouillon cube after cardio and before bed
Tuesday, June 29th
Workout:40 mins of a.m. cardio and p.m. workout consisting of back, traps and calves.
Diet: ZERO carbs on this day
Supplementation: none
Water: 2 Gallons
Sodium: solid foods salted and a bouillon cube after cardio and before bed
Wednesday, June 30th
Workout: 40 mins of a.m. cardio
Diet: seven total meals alternating chicken and sweet potato for one meal, sweet potato alone for the next...repeat cycle.
Supplementation: VS and R-ALA with *every* meal. As-of-yet to be determined diuretic with meals 1, 3, and 5.
Water: 1 gallon for the day sipped *between* meals, not with.
Sodium: as close to none as humanly possible.
Thursday, July 1st
Workout: NO workouts whatsoever
Diet: same alternating chicken and sweet potato cycle as above
Supplementation: VS and R-ALA with every meal and yet-to-be determined diuretic on same schedule.
Water: 3/4 of a gallon
Sodium: again, as little as humanly possible
Friday, July 2nd
Workout: NO workouts of any kind
Diet:chicken and sweet potato every three hours
Supplementation:diuretics as needed
Water: one quarter of a gallon (yup, you heard right)
Sodium: once again, as close to NONE as possible
Saturday, July 3rd
Workout: None
Diet: playing it by ear based on my experience in the past with regards to what I can get away with in terms of some early morning simple carbs.
Supplementation: none
Water: back to normal
Sodium: back to normal
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06-24-2004, 07:15 AM #111Originally Posted by BigGreen
I'm in. No darkhorses will take me down this time though!
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06-24-2004, 10:05 AM #112
BG, i'm a little confused. Do you have a photoshoot coming up, or is this just for curiousity's sake?
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06-24-2004, 10:08 AM #113
bump for pic
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06-24-2004, 05:47 PM #114Originally Posted by H-BOL
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06-24-2004, 11:01 PM #115Originally Posted by sigrabbit
"FOR TWELVE ARE CALLED BUT ONLY ONE IS CHOSEN"
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06-24-2004, 11:04 PM #116
btw sluts check out my cutting thread coming to a webpage near you. I'm getting ready to make my first installment so drop by the members cycle's and show your love to the One and Only.
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06-25-2004, 04:22 PM #117Originally Posted by chrisAdams
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06-25-2004, 04:34 PM #118
END OF WEEK FIVE UPDATE
Workouts: As I noted above in response to Mr. Adams' question, lifts are on the rise now, which, at least for me in my past experiences, is relatively unexpected while cutting and a certain plus anyway i look at it. Pumps are starting to become a little intense during workouts, particularly in the normal 'culprits' forearms, delts and lower back (especially lower back!)
Diet: Thus far, I've seen no need to really change anything in my diet. On non-workout days I play it by ear in terms of 'later in the day' fat intake, and sometimes lower it a tad if it's been a slow day physically or my body is just 'telling' me it's not particularly hungry that day. I'd like to add a bit more carbs to my second PWO meal, but as I work out fairly late, I'd rather that second meal not contain too many carbs, and I'll take the tradeoff of perhaps less than stellar recovery and protein uptake for the insurance of lowered bodyfat.
The Cycle:: I have now concluded approximately a week of fina and clen (a bit less than a week, but close) and those are the two big additions to the cycle. Believe it or not, one of these two additions, in something I still can not make sense of, has seriously calmed me down in terms of exaggerated emotions...not what you'd expect for sure. I'm still trying to figure that one out. Thus far, as the fina hasn't really been given an opportunity to take effect, the thing i like the most about it is that cutting it with the prop for my injections substantially lessens the 'next day sting'. Oh, speaking of which, there will be NO MORE GLUTE SHOTS for the duration of the cycle....I despise them. I never knew how involved the glutes were in virtually every daily activity a human can endeavor to complete until the sting of prop made me very aware of it. No more. As far as the clen is concerned, I'm up to 125mcg a day, where I will remain for this first two week blitz despite the fact that i've yet to experience 'the shakes'. I don't want to get overly ambitious here.
Progress: As mentioned in the workout subheading, lifts are progressing and fat loss remains nice and steady...i really couldn't be asking for better results right now. I hopped on the scale today ONLY because I feel it is an integral part of my 'journal-within-a-journal' seven day blitz progress and i was quite pleased to see that i was 219...i had hesitated to hop on out of fear that I'd be below 210 or even 205.
Looking Forward: Like a child in the days before xmas, I'm giddy with anticipation as to what the tren will do for me when it rears its head and gets to work. My vascularity is already up bigtime from the prop, and my diet has my bodyfat lowering at a nice clip. To be honest, I'd be more than happy with this cycle if it were not only to not include fina, but stop tomorrow....so from here on in, everything is just bonus....but oh, what a bonus that tren should be, eh??
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06-25-2004, 04:36 PM #119
From this point forward for the next seven days, all of my entries will be in the form of my journal-within-a-journal regarding SwoleCat's seven day prep plan. Any info that might fall outside of that but remain worth mentioning will get mentioned in there. Just a heads up.
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06-25-2004, 04:45 PM #120
7-Day Blitz...Day One
This first day, other than a lowered PWO carb intake, does not differ dramatically from my standard approach during this diet/cycle.
Performed a full body workout for the first time in a long time, and briefly abandoned the accentuated negative training which was somewhat of a guilty pleasure/sweet relief in many respects. Got some amazing pumps going and then polished that off with some posing 'practice', which, I'm a tad shocked to find, is exceedingly more difficult than I imagined and almost a workout in and of itself.
It was more than a little odd to NOT taste and feel that rush of simple sugars in (relatively) HUGE amounts after the workout, and, while I can't explain it, there's no question my body can 'tell' that I didn't give it its normal and necessary dose of PWO carbs.
For those who may have missed the above post, I went against my normal plan to not utilize the scale save for an emergency and jumped on this morning before performing cardio. The reason I've elected to do this is not so much for myself (as I'm *still* going by the mirror first and foremost) but as an instrument to gauge the effectiveness of seven day blitz for those reading the thread in the hopes of seeing how it goes both in terms of visuals and in qualatative measures. Anyway, I was pleased to see i was punching in at 219. Swole reports an average weight loss this last week of 5-8 pounds, so we'll see where I come in with regards to that.
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