1BMF's Halodrol Log

**keth'naab** · 01-30-2006, 11:23 PM

honestly?

spend a few years working out and learning how to work out. You are wasting your health, you are wasting your money, and you are risking going to jail, and you will NOT get proper gains using AAS, prohormones, or anything like that until you truly learn to train.

I'm honestly not trying to be a peckerwood, but I truly think you are going about this incorrectly. Good luck with your training and whatnot, but if you're going to do this, then do it right.

just my $0.02.

**Bryan2** · 01-30-2006, 11:24 PM

To be completely honest your going to be MUCH happier if you spend a few months and cut your BF down this way the new mass you would obtain will be much more apparent and youll be able to have that noticeable increase in mass.

I really would suggest cycling an E/C stack for a couple months or another fat burner of your choice and then going with the test cycle.

**1bmf** · 01-30-2006, 11:32 PM

I am not real familiar with an e/c stack. What kind of losses can I expect from an e/c cycle?

can I get ephedrine and caffeine tablets at the nutrition store? do you recommend 2 or 3 stacks a day?

**keth'naab** · 01-31-2006, 09:33 AM

do a search for "vasopro"

go to the corner drug store and buy some generic caffeine tablets

now, listen to me

START WITH 1 CAFFEINE AND 1 VASOPRO in the morning to start with, do NOT take it before you do cardio.

After a few days, once the heartbeat calms down a bit, you can try adding a second dose, 1 Caffeine and 1 vasopro.

ONE AT A TIME. Jesus H. Christ, dont' be like those putzes that have never used ephedrine and come on here

OH MY GOD MY HEART WON'T STOP POUNDING I TOOK 3 CAFFEINE AND 3 EPHEDRINE THEN DID 30 MINUTES OF HIIT THIS SUCKS I CAN BARELY BREATH CAN I DRINK WINNY?

Christ. Please. 1 caffeine, 1 ephedrine, with breakfast for the first few days. It is a potent fat burner, but a potent nervous system stimulator as well. It'll take a few days to get used to the nervous system stimulation, but it will still burn fat. I do NOT recommend taking this combo after noon, as you will probably have some issues falling asleep if you do.

In case you missed it:

START WITH 1 PER DAY.

one.

(1)

uno.

**Myka** · 01-31-2006, 11:46 AM

yes...too many people come on here saying to start with 100mg ephedrine! If you start small youll be glad you did...

**1bmf** · 01-31-2006, 11:54 PM

After my 30 day pct I am doing another 30 days of l-dex. Is it ok to start my e/c cycle while I am doing the l-dex or do I have to wait until that is done as well? Also after I finish that 4 week cycle can I start my test e cycle or do I have to give my body some time off before starting the test e? Anyway did shoulders and traps today. Today I did:

Dumbell lat raises: 4 sets of 8-10 (15-20lbs)
Smith barbell shrugs: 4 sets of 7-8 (90lbs)
Cable upright rows: 4 sets of 8-10 (on # 10 I believe (#'ed 1-20)
Military presses: 4 sets of 5-6 (warmup was 50lbs +45lb bar 10 reps, other 3 70lbs + 45lb bar)

Will update after tomorrows routine. Thanks everyone for all the advice.

**egod8** · 02-02-2006, 07:40 AM

Are you seeing any progress... strength increases or fat loss? I'm on day 4 of my halodrol only cycle and I'm feeling great. The only sides I have had are very minor headaches... no big deal though.

**1bmf** · 02-02-2006, 07:58 PM

I am not seeing major progress yet. I still have faith that I will soon though. Hey do you guys think if I didn't take a Halo sunday it would be ok to drink for superbowl sunday? Also if I did do that, will there be a big loss in results at the end of my cycle?

**1bmf** · 02-05-2006, 11:43 AM

Alright, I finally felt a strength gain on yesterdays workout. I started out on dips, did the same I did last week but didn't struggle as much. Moved on to barbell flat benches, added 20lbs to last weeks weight. For my barbell incline benches, I used the same weight but it was easier to do than last week. Same thing goes for my close grip benches, skullcrushers, and lying barbell tricep extensions. Really want to drink for the SB today but I don't think I am going to give in. Go seahawks!

Assisted Dips (22lbs of assistance) - 4 sets 6-10
Barbell Flat bench - 4 sets of 6-8 (160lbs)
Incline Flat bench - 4 sets of 6-8 (120lbs)
Close grip benchs - 4 sets of 5 (90lbs)
Skullcrushers - 4 sets of 6-8 (50lbs)
Lying barbell tricep extensions - 4 sets of 6-8 (50lbs)

**xxxcg1785xxx** · 02-12-2006, 11:40 AM

What I don't get is why you are trying to lose body fat and gain muscle at the same time...it's just not practical. Word of advice, in the world of bodybuilding, there's only bulking OR cutting, not bulking AND cutting. You can't do both at the same time and expect to get great results from either. You either dedicate yourself to one or the other...there is no inbetween. And I'm not just saying this as my own beliefs. I don't want to get to deep into the logistics of it, but basically it comes down to metabolic activities on a molecular level. When you are bulking, you are using proteins to repair and rebuild and hypertrophy your muscles. You actually need fats and carbs when bulking, but when cutting, you are burning through your energy stores: During exercise, u start with creatine phosphate, then glucagon stores (stored form of glucose), fats, then proteins via gluconeogenesis (process of converting proteins into carbs to keep blood glucose levels between 70-110 mg/ml...but only after all of your glucagon stores are completely used up). Bulking and cutting completely, but not entirely, are counterproductive to eachother. That's why you can't do both at the same time. Sure, while bulking you may drop BF a little bit, but nothing that significant. You need to focus on one or the other.

That is why you aren't seeing that much results. If I were you, I would try to drop your body fat first. You can try caffeine and ephedra, as suggested above...or even better...clenbuterol . My training partner lost 6 pounds in one week on clenbuterol, without doing any cardio and dieting. He basically went to having no abs to abs in one week. Clen is fairly easy to come by and not that expensive. i can get a 60 ML bottle very cheap. I would invest in some of that...then try bulking once uve dropped ur body fat down to about 14%.

**k_i_l_o_g7** · 02-12-2006, 07:49 PM

hey bro, I'm a halodrol fan as well, the headaches your getting, i got them on my first run through with halodrol and i found that a bottle of cool water and a banana helped alot, for some reason it just cleared the pain, oh and of course no chocolate or penut butter, my doctor said that there is something about both of these that can trigger migraine's in specific cases......

Keep up the hard work man, the more you read, learn and apply the better you will become.
KG

**1bmf** · 02-17-2006, 08:44 PM

Sorry for the delay updating. I've been sick and then hurt my back so the past couple weeks haven't been the greatest. I worked out still while I was sick and starting noticing a strength gain in most excercises. Nothing real huge, 10-20lbs. Anyway started PCT wednesday, 1 day early because of the back pains. Turned out I am having muscle spasms and was prescribed muscle relaxers on wednesday for the pain. Plan on starting working out again tomorrow (last workout was monday then my back got so bad I couldn't work out) because I don't want to lose any of the muscle I put on. Hopefully I don't f--k my back up more. Just weighed in at 218.5, but I did eat a pretty big cheat meal today. I took some postcycle pics which I will post up probably tomorrow, and will also post updated measurements. I think I may have dropped some fat but I will let you decide that yourself from the pics. I will get a bf% done tomorrow but I have no faith in the machine they have at the gym to test it so I really can't go by that. Decided that when I cut I am going to use clen instead of an ec stack but I am thinking I may do a test e cycle first, add on some more muscle then cut after that. Still not certain, need to do some more thinking on that. Would love to hear some input on that. Will post more tomorrow

**1bmf** · 02-19-2006, 12:06 AM

Chest - 44.5 (+1.5 inches)
Arms - 16.25 (+.25 inches)
Waist - 39 (same)
Legs - 26.5 (+.5 inches)
Forearms - 13 (+.5 inches)
Calves - 15.5 (same)

**1bmf** · 02-19-2006, 12:07 AM

And the wheels!

**Myka** · 02-19-2006, 12:08 AM

props for posting your pics...keep working hard to lose that weight...make sure your sticking to a suitable diet...

How is PCT treating you?...

**1bmf** · 02-19-2006, 12:32 AM

Thanks bro. PCT has been a breeze so far. Taking 40mg of nolva and .25mg of l-dex right now that I got from ARR. Dropping to 20mg in nolva march 1st. Didn't have the balls to try clomid. I am planning on using clen to help me lose the weight. I didn't really lose much on cycle but I didn't do a whole lot of cardio either. When I start the clen I will stay on a strict 4-5 day a week cardio routine. I am thinking about doing my test e cycle before the clen though because a buddy I know lost a lot of weight and is down to single percent body fat with no cardio just from doing cycles. If I can knock some body fat with the test first then I won't have to use clen for as long and plus if I put on more muscle it will make it easier to burn fat. Got my bf% done today at the gym, this was early in the day so I only had one meal in me and not much water so my weight was down. I clocked in at 213.2, 25.4% bf. Right now I am at 218lb (I fluxuate a lot throughout the day). If I decide to do my clen cycle first, can I use clen while on PCT? If not can I use it while I am doing my 30day 50mg l-dex only run after pct? I know the ec stack doesn't interfere with that at all but am not certain about clen.

**1bmf** · 02-19-2006, 12:50 AM

What do you guys think of the idea of doing a test cycle and clen cycle during the test cycle? Also I was thinking about doing an ec stack while I am on my off time from the clen. Am thinking about doing 1 week on, 1 week off with clen based on buff87's post. If I did both at the same time, is it possible to put on a great amount of muscle as well as lose a lot of fat in the same cycle? Any opinions would be greatly appreciated.

**Da_Mayor** · 02-21-2006, 01:44 PM

First off I took the Halodrol last november quick and cheap gained about 5 lbs. of lean muscle mass. I never experienced any headaches. And shit I drank on the shit probably 15 out of the 30 days i took it. Halodrol won't shed body fat. If you diet right and do a lot of cardio you will lose body fat but not because of the halodrol only because of your diet and the cardio. But at the same time you might lose muscle gains. One of my buddies took halodrol also and his tolerance must've been a lot lower than mine cause he gained 20 lbs of muscle mass. Most of it lean, although he stacked it with the orastan but I dont thnk that made much of a difference. But it might have so maybe you might want to throw that in there too. Its up to you. But Halodrol is definitely a kick ass product good bang for the buck even though you can't get it legally anymore. I guess its suppose to be like the legal equivalent of turanobol.

**Myka** · 02-21-2006, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by 1bmf

What do you guys think of the idea of doing a test cycle and clen cycle during the test cycle? Also I was thinking about doing an ec stack while I am on my off time from the clen. Am thinking about doing 1 week on, 1 week off with clen based on buff87's post. If I did both at the same time, is it possible to put on a great amount of muscle as well as lose a lot of fat in the same cycle? Any opinions would be greatly appreciated.

based on your pics I would not reccommend resorting to either test or clen ...you need to diet and do cardio and get a good base going...youll thank me later if you heed this advice...

Patience is the key to endless progression...

**notanormalgent** · 02-23-2006, 02:13 AM

I don't mean to be harsh...But you're just another guy looking for a magic pill. If you followed this routine and diet you would see results without the Halo.

Stop spending money on the gas and get a personal trainer that knows his shit. He'll set you up with a master nutrition plan, great routine, and he'll push you to your mental limits. I really hope you're not expecting too much from this cycle.

**1bmf** · 02-27-2006, 11:01 PM

Alright I have a question for everyone. I started PCT 2/15 and my libido is higher than it was precycle so I am starting to think I am back to normal. I am still going to continue with PCT but I friday I decided to drink because of a special occassion, drank a lot might I add, then did the same thing saturday night. Then sunday I had a two beers with my buddys. The reason I decided to do this was because I am thinking I am fully recovered so it will be ok. Is this all right to do. I am probably going to do it again on fat tuesday and then maybe one day a week on the weekends. Is this ok since my test levels are back up. Please give me your opinions and reasoning behind them. Thanks in advance, I appreciate all your help.

**cnepp** · 02-28-2006, 01:19 PM

I dont think drinking has any connection what so ever to your test levels... It's just advised to stay away from because it is hard on your liver, and while you are on steroids , they both can't be all that great for you

But then again, what do I know?

**Bryan2** · 02-28-2006, 05:47 PM

It doesnt involve your test but yes your liver honestly you should wait another week or 2

are you using milk thistle and N.A.C like you should be???

I would suggest using clen during the 30 day ldex run in either a week on week off or even more suitably 2 on 2 off try to loose as much body fat BEFORE starting your test run as the TEST run will do NOTHING without cardio!!!

if you loose the fat first THEN do the cycle your overall end result is going to be MUCH more noticeable then if you run the test sooner.

**Myka** · 02-28-2006, 05:55 PM

Ive heard that alcohol elevates estrogen levels...Most would say dont worry about it because you only live once...but it would seem that you really enjoy your alchy...

**1bmf** · 02-28-2006, 08:11 PM

I started using clen monday actually and plan on doing 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off all the way until I start my test cycle. I do want to lose more fat before I start because you are absolutely correct about noticing a bigger difference if I do. I didn't know I was supposed to run milk thistle on PCT, should I start doing that? Should I take the liver care's still? If so, will that work in place of milk thistle or should I take that as well.