Superdrol (Methyl-drol xt cycle) QUESTION??? imp near end of cycle need expert advice

**nurnbewe** · 02-27-2009, 08:45 PM

I didn't know where to post this but I guess Ill post it here and try and get an answer. I started a methyl-drol xt (same as superdrol oral steroid ) cycle three weeks ago from today. I started at 10 mg for week 1 then went to 20 mg for week two and 30 mg for week 3 ending today. I have tamoxifen citrate which I will take for 3-4 weeks at 20 mg a day for PCT. The question I have is that I really dont want to end my cycle today and want to go a fourth week at 30 mg a day but I have heard there are not much gains in the fourth week. I want to keep going because I started the cycle at 5'10 161 pounds and now I am at 169 pounds(I was planning on gaining 15-20 pounds and feel it is a waste to start pct with tamoxifen which took me forever to get if I only put on 8 pnds and I really dont feel any different). I have been eating right about 200 g protein daily with high carb intake. The only sides I have experienced are back pumps and lower than usual sperm production. If i decide to go a fourth week will I gain any more muscle? any reccomendations would be much appreciated, I almost feel like the roids didnt work very well and will I continue to see gains into the PCT?

**Ljavy17** · 02-27-2009, 08:50 PM

Readjust your calories for that fourth week and the gains should still come. 9 lbs if its all muscle in 3 weeks is actually very good. Specially from a weak Oral.
If I was you I would run it for another week, you sperm count will continue to decrease and so will your libido. The back bumps could be your kidneys, Are you getting enough water, Make sure you drink TONS of it, also are you taking any cranberry pills, or any milk thistle for your liver? You are taking something pretty heavy on your kidneys and liver so you need to take preventative steps.

**nurnbewe** · 02-27-2009, 08:55 PM

thanks yeah I am taking milk thistle 200 mg a day 80% silymarin... do most people continue to gain weight during pct because my goal is to get to 175-180 pnds.

**IM708** · 02-27-2009, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by nurnbewe

thanks yeah I am taking milk thistle 200 mg a day 80% silymarin... do most people continue to gain weight during pct because my goal is to get to 175-180 pnds.

Where did you buy that milk thistle at? GNC? The dosage in a product called 'cycle support' is 6.25x more potent since it is also 100% Silymarin. I'd say bump up the dosage in the future when dealing with liver toxic prohormones like that.

**wukillabee** · 02-28-2009, 02:29 AM

Originally Posted by Ljavy17

Readjust your calories for that fourth week and the gains should still come. 9 lbs if its all muscle in 3 weeks is actually very good. Specially from a weak Oral.
If I was you I would run it for another week, you sperm count will continue to decrease and so will your libido. The back bumps could be your kidneys, Are you getting enough water, Make sure you drink TONS of it, also are you taking any cranberry pills, or any milk thistle for your liver? You are taking something pretty heavy on your kidneys and liver so you need to take preventative steps.

1. Superdrol is no where near a weak oral.
2. Back pumps are a side effect like from many aas orals, nothing kidney related what so ever and especially at his dosages. Taurine 2-3g daily for this.
3. Take liver supps after finishing the oral so day one of pct start liver supps. Can't repair your liver while taxing it at the same time. Don't know where people get this theory from.

**nurnbewe** · 02-28-2009, 10:46 AM

thanks for the advice... i just read something that has me worried now... it says that since superdrol and m-drol are progestins using tamoxifen for pct can actually make gyno worse or cause gyno and they recommend clomid and letro. this pisses me off cause it took me over 1 month to get the tamoxifen and i didnt even start my cycle till i knew i had the tamoxifen... does any one know if this statement is legit they say it had something to do with the progestin receptors.. if this is true i guess i gotta go see the doc and beg for a prescription for clomid cause im not trying to get bitch titties

**wukillabee** · 02-28-2009, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by nurnbewe

thanks for the advice... i just read something that has me worried now... it says that since superdrol and m-drol are progestins using tamoxifen for pct can actually make gyno worse or cause gyno and they recommend clomid and letro. this pisses me off cause it took me over 1 month to get the tamoxifen and i didnt even start my cycle till i knew i had the tamoxifen... does any one know if this statement is legit they say it had something to do with the progestin receptors.. if this is true i guess i gotta go see the doc and beg for a prescription for clomid cause im not trying to get bitch titties

Please provide the link so i can tell the creator how much of a moron he is. These are no way progestins bro, no way. Only progestin ph i know of are those crap tren products, sus500 (kinda same thing), maybe a few other random ph's. I dont keep up with the lame ph stigma anymore since the real deal is 100x better all around and with less sides (AAS!). If anything superdrol is a slight ai and h-drol doesnt convert to estro either. P-plex might give some gyno probs but thats it bro. Your fine with nolva/ai (aromasin ) for pct on superdrol, more than enough.

**nurnbewe** · 02-28-2009, 06:11 PM

PROHORMONE PCT

Most of us, who have been on this board for some time, know that you need a PCT after a PP or SD cycle. New members ask why we need to take all of these substances after a cycle. During a PP or SD cycle, your natural testosterone production can shut down. For many individuals the reduced natural test while put a halt to your sperm production. This is a problem if you want to have a child. After you finish your cycle, it can take months before your body starts to produce test on its own. During this time, your strength levels will diminish, your body fat levels will rise, and you could suffer from depression and have the temptation to jump on again. This would only make matters worse.

What might a typical PCT look like?
Weeks 1-4 100mg of Clomid (SERM) and 25mg of Aromasin (AI)

Why not nolva? Superdrol and pheraplex are progestins which means that means that nolva can cause or make existing gyno worse. Macrophage69alpha (supplement guru): Clomid does not upregulate the PgR (as nolva does). After speaking with Macro, he recommended stacking clomid (SERM) and aromasin (AI) together. The aromasin is not supposed to have a negative impact on blood lipid levels, like other AI's can.

What are some support supplements that I should be concerned with? Go to the supplement forum and examine, closely, Bryan2's stickie on cholesterol, liver, and blood pressure support supplements.

Because SD and PP are progestins, they can be hard on your libido and your ability to have erections, during PCT. I've found that 800-1200mg of tongkat ali to be a good choice for libido purposes. As for the ability to have erections, then the cialis (or viagra) is the only way to go. I prefer cialis because it stays in your system for 36 hours. This lets you be more spontaneous, which your woman will appreciate.

For those of you wanting to make sure your sperm count and motility are up to par, here are some supplements and research chemicals that can help: Arginine, Zinc, Vitamin C, Coenzyme Q10, Flaxseed Oil, L-carnitine, Selenium, Vitamin B12, Vitamin E, DHEA, Panax Ginseng, Astragalus, Sarsaparilla, and Clomid. This is more of a concern for those wanting to father a child. Quote-stocky link http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...81#post2916381

Thanks man that answer is very reassuring. You think I could even get away with just running Inhibit-E by SNS.