#12 to the dark side log

[wukillabee]

its kinda interesting...after thinking about adding another compound i have started to blow up. strength and size are steadily increasing at a high rate. i think it helps now that finals are over and i have time to relax, eat, and train. so im gonna ride this out and hope to have gained about 20 lbs since the start of my cycle...

Hits you like a brick wall doesn't it? Good to hear bro. Still, wouldn't be bad to throw in an oral for the last 2 weeks as well. Im talking about the last 2 weeks of shots and the 2 week window you have to wait to start pct. Therefore you'll be on an oral the last 4 weeks and the day you stop the oral you'll start pct the next day, get it? What week are you now? Kinda lost where you're at so far on this cycle. Where are you shooting?

[number twelve]

everything is going great only sides i have noticed are:
-increased body hair
-smaller testes
-bloating

positive things i have felt:
-feel great about life
-great pumps/pumped all day
-great strength gains
-steady weight gain
-sexual appetite of a t-rex


safe to say im hooked..

[number twelve]

oh i snatched 185 from the ground 2 days ago...new PR by 30 lbs... : )

[number twelve]

im 212 as of last night...: ) strength is retarded and im not really bloated

[number twelve]

i have been playing a lot of volleyball by the pool lately; sweating a lot and getting a lot of cardio and it has really helped me cut out some bad water around my waist, i did arms last night doing a high rep superset type workout and i looked ridiculous lol i have 5 weeks left (i decided to do 15 weeks)

Question: I have a few 5/8" pins...any use for them? shoulder possibly?

[wukillabee]

i have been playing a lot of volleyball by the pool lately; sweating a lot and getting a lot of cardio and it has really helped me cut out some bad water around my waist, i did arms last night doing a high rep superset type workout and i looked ridiculous lol i have 5 weeks left (i decided to do 15 weeks)

Question: I have a few 5/8" pins...any use for them? shoulder possibly?

I wouldnt use them. If i had to and gear was pretty much painless id try for bicep, tricep, or delt. Just make sure to stick it all the way to be sure. Again, i wouldnt use em unless had to. Pins r soooo cheap, no reason to have to resort to em imo. Sounds like good progress and if i could do it all over again id do it probably 15 weeks too. Have u considered hcg at all since ur running it so long?

[number twelve]

yeah def planning on using HCG ...not quite sure on the manner in which to properly use it tho need to read up a bit, i know how it acts and what not but it hasnt been until recently that i had actually planned on using it so i have a bit of reading to do...maybe u can give me an indication on its proper usage during a PCT...thanks man

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[ciptech]

you are/were a lean 5'11, 197 bro. so you're at about 210 now? any recent pics

[number twelve]

you are/were a lean 5'11, 197 bro. so you're at about 210 now? any recent pics

yeah man i actually started weighing myself on a different scale and realized i was more like 190..and on the same scale now im around 210...yeah i plan on taking some pics soon

[number twelve]

did standing military press with 225 for 2 today...no belt...went up like cake i was really happy with it..

[Ironmanron]

Post a new pic, people are watching, we want to see your progress.

[number twelve]

here is a new pic...i sent it to a girl but i think it looks pretty good...im disappointed to be honest cause i dont know how much different this photo looks from the first one i posted...however im about 210 in this and infinitely stronger so i know i have put on muscle somewhere!! and also i plan on taking some proper pictures with an actual camera soon..

[Navy-boi-kai]

looks like you have a damn good base going. keep up the good work look forward to seeing more

[jbm]

nice... good luck!

[number twelve]

appreciate it fellas im hoping most of my gains were keepable cause i stayed rather dry...im thinking about adding clen and getting absolutely pilled...what do u guys recon?

[bjpennnn]

keep it up bro

[number twelve]

here is one from yesterday thinking im in top gun lol obv not pumped just out running around but i think once i cut up ill look pretty good

[number twelve]

close g****** 315 for 5 then 245 for 12 last night : ) weight is holding steady at around 210 but im slowly but surely drying up

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

keep it up man good progress

[number twelve]

have been doin more cardio and playing a lot of beach volleyball just took this pic when i got in i have a ridic tan going...

[number twelve]

gettin more and more cut and strength is still goin up...was doing sets of 15 with 100lb DBs on flat bench and also went up to 130s for 8

[number twelve]

looking at my previous pic its pretty interesting how i dropped so much water in 4 days...there is a big difference in my mind at least i think its pretty evident in the pic...i havent been taking adex or anything just being in the sun and doing a lot of cardio

[cubnlynx]

Looking good bro

[number twelve]

here is a shot of me close gripping 365 on flat bench...had a small spot but pretty happy with it.


damn image is too large how do i resize it!?

[wukillabee]

here is a shot of me close gripping 365 on flat bench...had a small spot but pretty happy with it.


damn image is too large how do i resize it!?

Close grip 365 bro? WTF is that? Thats some heavy weight, nice bro! Through that shit on youtube, haha.

[number twelve]

lol thanks man...i had a spot but im still pretty happy with it...

[number twelve]

as much as it pains me i am not doing another shot...basically my cycle ended up being 15 weeks instead of 10...lol im going to be starting pct of nolva/clomid on the 20th (2 weeks after my last shot) along with HCG for 5 days...please correct me if im wrong on that..also i was going to be adding clen during pct...

basically here are my finals thought on my first test cycle:

PROS
-steady size and strength gain, i found that strength went up before the size, but overall i gained about 20 lbs
-insane libido and feeling of well being - i feel like one of the reasons i had such a successful semester is because i was on

CONS
-body hair
-nuts got a bit smaller
-feel like my hair began to thin out (might be in my mind tho)
-had to increase cardio to fight bloat
-felt anxiety sometimes (cops, dealing with shady ppl)

thats basically it..i love it and im hooked! i will certainly be stacking next time around...prob in the fall...thinking test and EQ or test and deca ...any opinions!?

thanks for all your input!!

[wukillabee]

as much as it pains me i am not doing another shot...basically my cycle ended up being 15 weeks instead of 10...lol im going to be starting pct of nolva/clomid on the 20th (2 weeks after my last shot) along with HCG for 5 days...please correct me if im wrong on that..also i was going to be adding clen during pct...

basically here are my finals thought on my first test cycle:

PROS
-steady size and strength gain, i found that strength went up before the size, but overall i gained about 20 lbs
-insane libido and feeling of well being - i feel like one of the reasons i had such a successful semester is because i was on

CONS
-body hair
-nuts got a bit smaller
-feel like my hair began to thin out (might be in my mind tho)
-had to increase cardio to fight bloat
-felt anxiety sometimes (cops, dealing with shady ppl)

thats basically it..i love it and im hooked! i will certainly be stacking next time around...prob in the fall...thinking test and EQ or test and deca ...any opinions!?

thanks for all your input!!

Wrong on both counts bro. hcg during cycle or leading up to pct, never "in" pct bro. Clen also is not a good idea during pct, will burn off those extra calories u need to be taking in to keep those gains, youll burn ur gains off! Youll see when u hit pct, worst part of any cycle, hate it! Gonna need to eat just as much if not a tad more during pct to keep those gains goin bro.
Depending on ur goals next cycle, assuming size? If so, id do test/deca, thats my upcoming cycle here in a few weeks, peep it out and make ur decision from there. Gonna make a detailed log for it. EQ seems to be overrated from what most users say, probably the one aas im in no hurry to spend money on. Have to take high doses for a long time to get any real effects from it too.

[number twelve]

thanks for clearing that up...so HCG the week before PCT...no clen ...got ya...thanks man!

[Dukkit]

as much as it pains me i am not doing another shot...basically my cycle ended up being 15 weeks instead of 10...lol im going to be starting pct of nolva/clomid on the 20th (2 weeks after my last shot) along with HCG for 5 days...please correct me if im wrong on that..also i was going to be adding clen during pct...

basically here are my finals thought on my first test cycle:

PROS
-steady size and strength gain, i found that strength went up before the size, but overall i gained about 20 lbs
-insane libido and feeling of well being - i feel like one of the reasons i had such a successful semester is because i was on

CONS
-body hair
-nuts got a bit smaller
-feel like my hair began to thin out (might be in my mind tho)
-had to increase cardio to fight bloat
-felt anxiety sometimes (cops, dealing with shady ppl)

thats basically it..i love it and im hooked! i will certainly be stacking next time around...prob in the fall...thinking test and EQ or test and deca ...any opinions!?

thanks for all your input!!

awesome results. 20 lbs is great! now keep 15 of it!!!
what about body fat %? any increase or decrease?

id def say a test and deca cycle next

EQ is worthless

[TractionIssues]

Wrong on both counts bro. hcg during cycle or leading up to pct, never "in" pct bro. Clen also is not a good idea during pct, will burn off those extra calories u need to be taking in to keep those gains, youll burn ur gains off! Youll see when u hit pct, worst part of any cycle, hate it! Gonna need to eat just as much if not a tad more during pct to keep those gains goin bro.
Depending on ur goals next cycle, assuming size? If so, id do test/deca, thats my upcoming cycle here in a few weeks, peep it out and make ur decision from there. Gonna make a detailed log for it. EQ seems to be overrated from what most users say, probably the one aas im in no hurry to spend money on. Have to take high doses for a long time to get any real effects from it too.

Why do you say Clen is not a good idea during PCT? Clen is a very good anti-catabolic agent, it will allow you to eat as much as you have to eat to keep your size during PCT, losing very minimal muscle, and not gaining much fat. Alot of people use Clen for PCT and it works great. Not to mention it will give you that little strength and energy boost you lose when you stop aas.

[number twelve]

awesome results. 20 lbs is great! now keep 15 of it!!!
what about body fat %? any increase or decrease?

id def say a test and deca cycle next

EQ is worthless

i think it either stayed the same or went down a bit...it was really contingent upon how much cardio i would do...so i guess its more a matter or water retention

[number twelve]

Why do you say Clen is not a good idea during PCT? Clen is a very good anti-catabolic agent, it will allow you to eat as much as you have to eat to keep your size during PCT, losing very minimal muscle, and not gaining much fat. Alot of people use Clen for PCT and it works great. Not to mention it will give you that little strength and energy boost you lose when you stop aas.

thats what i thought...

[wukillabee]

Why do you say Clen is not a good idea during PCT? Clen is a very good anti-catabolic agent, it will allow you to eat as much as you have to eat to keep your size during PCT, losing very minimal muscle, and not gaining much fat. Alot of people use Clen for PCT and it works great. Not to mention it will give you that little strength and energy boost you lose when you stop aas.

Have you used clen before and can you show me any proof of this anti-catabolic myth about clen? Clen was only shown in "horses" with doses no human would ever take of clen for it to be remotely anti-catabolic so no, it does not have this magical effect for us humans. As far as energy boost and strength, i dont know many clen users that will report this. Im on clen now pharm grade tabs and no extra energy boost or strength even at 140mcg ed. Maybe its just me but i can take 60mcg of clen and take a nap an hour later no problem. What clen does is boost your metabolism up more than an eca stack would. Now do you really want to have a furnace burning while on pct and trying to keep as much gains as possible? Seems kind of counter-productive to me and im sure many will agree on this. I would not ever recommend clen for anyone during pct, either on cycle while cutting or trying to cut naturally, never in pct. Thats my personal take on it and research. Just don't want to see my bro here lose his gains and wonder why.

[number twelve]

thanks for clearing that up bro!

[BITTAPART2]

I can kind of agree with the post about clen being mildly anti-catabolic however, the part about it not being used in PCT is not the opnion I share. I find it very beneficial when combined with plant sterols and aminos that will thwart muscle wasting. Clen does not supress MY appetite at all so I can eat my 400gms of protein from beef everyday, keep muscle and not pack on too much fat(escpecially if slin is involved). My PCT anti-catabolic stack (not including AAS/GH/slin)
phosphatedelseryne
vitaminC
mixable powdered aminos (large doses)
clenbuterol
RED MEAT

of course hormone regulation is really key in PCT for the first 3 weeks or so

nice progress BTW 12!

[number twelve]

thanks bro so i thinnk im gonna do that same thing