What's a good base to start cycle from?

**MACHINE5150** · 02-21-2011, 12:51 PM

you can definitely get to 210 naturally in the next couple years.. you MUST force feed yourself.. eat until it hurts.. eventually you will stretch your stomach out and it will become easier.

**Bigd89** · 02-21-2011, 12:55 PM

You say your arms are 16 inches?!? Mine are 17, your arms look like twigs..no offense

**tjax03** · 02-21-2011, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by dec11

rubbish interpretation, how do you know what length the torso could be or the legs?

You really shouldn't be so hasty to dismiss others thoughts. The ten pounds per inch of height estimation is not my own creation. It is a valid estimate of body weight given height and body composition. Of course there are exceptions given that some people have freakishly long arms or legs in comparison to their torso. However if you actually give it some consideration, it works our pretty well for most people.

**Gucks** · 02-21-2011, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by dec11

rubbish interpretation, how do you know what length the torso could be or the legs?

im not gonna join tht diagreement

im not a fan of pissing contests :P lol. i wuld agree with u dec though

**Gucks** · 02-21-2011, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by Bigd89

You say your arms are 16 inches?!? Mine are 17, your arms look like twigs..no offense

lol, measured everything just before i posted that, their 16. maybe a smidge under is i was 2 be really accurate :P im still skinny, well aware of it :P

**Gucks** · 02-21-2011, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by MACHINE5150

you can definitely get to 210 naturally in the next couple years.. you MUST force feed yourself.. eat until it hurts.. eventually you will stretch your stomach out and it will become easier.

my stomach is alreayd huge, i can out food away easily! first few weeks of bulky diet killed me but im good now. and u say i can easily get 2 210 like im not a complete rake atm :P 174 at my height is fine for a normal guy, my bmi is like 23. buy for BB its horrific.

**ufc8581** · 02-21-2011, 02:21 PM

you can def get to 210 natty maybe even 225 id say .. u def need to get ur diet and workout in check bc at ur age u can make incredible gains without aas .. i been natty till i jus started my cycle and im 5'10 5'11 and natty i got to 225 7-8% bf . did i bulk this winter and got to 240 around 15%bf and not im running my first cycle with test only which i cut some before i started like 5lbs and now im back up to around 236 and at around 12% bf and jus started my 4 week .. stay natty as long as u can bro its worth the wait .. seems like u jus started working out too and there is no way u have the experince to start aas ne time soon maybe in about 3-4 years then u will be ready .. jus be patient and watch urself grow and good luck

**Gucks** · 02-21-2011, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by ufc8581

you can def get to 210 natty maybe even 225 id say .. u def need to get ur diet and workout in check bc at ur age u can make incredible gains without aas .. i been natty till i jus started my cycle and im 5'10 5'11 and natty i got to 225 7-8% bf . did i bulk this winter and got to 240 around 15%bf and not im running my first cycle with test only which i cut some before i started like 5lbs and now im back up to around 236 and at around 12% bf and jus started my 4 week .. stay natty as long as u can bro its worth the wait .. seems like u jus started working out too and there is no way u have the experince to start aas ne time soon maybe in about 3-4 years then u will be ready .. jus be patient and watch urself grow and good luck

thanks man, my plan was 3 years experience b4 cycling. and 240 natty? tht is impressive. hopefully i can get those kinds of gains aswell!

**ufc8581** · 02-21-2011, 03:40 PM

u can bro .. jus EAT TRAIN SLEEP .. thats the best motto to live by .. get ut diet in check and ull b g2g .. but jus try and wait till ur atleast 24 thats jus wat ive always heard ..and thats wat i waited till and glad i did bc i havnt had ne sides beside a little moon face on my cycle

**Gucks** · 02-21-2011, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by ufc8581

u can bro .. jus EAT TRAIN SLEEP .. thats the best motto to live by .. get ut diet in check and ull b g2g .. but jus try and wait till ur atleast 24 thats jus wat ive always heard ..and thats wat i waited till and glad i did bc i havnt had ne sides beside a little moon face on my cycle

thanks man

and ye, 24 is wht every1 agrees on. think its what ill go 4!

**yungone501** · 02-21-2011, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by Bigd89

You say your arms are 16 inches?!? Mine are 17, your arms look like twigs..no offense

explain how that isnt offensive?

Anyhow, Gucks, you seriously need to focus on your diet right now. You could easily fill out your frame another 20-30 pounds right now with the correct food intake and just moderate exercise! You have a good build man but like others have said, create that foundation first. Thanks for the quick response with the pics bro.

**drdeath613** · 02-21-2011, 08:50 PM

heres what swolecat would have to say on the subject .........
steroids not before 24-25
for your first cycle stacking is not good for you why you ask if something goes wrong are you willing to stop the whole cycle
keep it simple a first cycle should be test of some kind ran alone
and why are you starting at 500mg thats a bit much start out at 250-300mg more does not mean better you can pump yourself with 3000mg a week and see nothing i can take 250mgs a week and blow you out of the water why diet and training

many of you new members dont know who swolecat was so here

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you should all look up his info

**yungone501** · 02-21-2011, 09:08 PM

Geez...i wonder why they called him swolecat?

RIP bro...

**drdeath613** · 02-21-2011, 09:14 PM

yeah chris was pretty damn close to being perfect id give my left nut just to be 50% of what he was

**yungone501** · 02-21-2011, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by drdeath613

yeah chris was pretty damn close to being perfect id give my left nut just to be 50% of what he was

Damn straight! Finely tuned piece if you ask me.

**Bigd89** · 02-22-2011, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by yungone501

explain how that isnt offensive?

Anyhow, Gucks, you seriously need to focus on your diet right now. You could easily fill out your frame another 20-30 pounds right now with the correct food intake and just moderate exercise! You have a good build man but like others have said, create that foundation first. Thanks for the quick response with the pics bro.

Pretty self explanatory. Take that aggression and put it towards the weights, I don't argue or have the need to explain myself on the net bub.

**marcus300** · 02-22-2011, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by drdeath613

heres what swolecat would have to say on the subject .........
steroids not before 24-25
for your first cycle stacking is not good for you why you ask if something goes wrong are you willing to stop the whole cycle
keep it simple a first cycle should be test of some kind ran alone
and why are you starting at 500mg thats a bit much start out at 250-300mg more does not mean better you can pump yourself with 3000mg a week and see nothing i can take 250mgs a week and blow you out of the water why diet and training

many of you new members dont know who swolecat was so here

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you should all look up his info

He put a few in the shit can lol

He always practised safe cycling and most importantly diet first.

**yungone501** · 02-22-2011, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by Bigd89

Pretty self explanatory. Take that aggression and put it towards the weights, I don't argue or have the need to explain myself on the net bub.

Aggression? Huh? Yeah, nevermind then...bub.

**Gucks** · 02-22-2011, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by yungone501

explain how that isnt offensive?

Anyhow, Gucks, you seriously need to focus on your diet right now. You could easily fill out your frame another 20-30 pounds right now with the correct food intake and just moderate exercise! You have a good build man but like others have said, create that foundation first. Thanks for the quick response with the pics bro.

lol, well the pics were the best i culd do taking myself! and my diet is number 1 priority right now. trainer rang me 2day and im meeting him next week so hes sorting my diet properly 4 me! ill post it in diet forum for critique when i get it. thanks man

**Gucks** · 02-22-2011, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by drdeath613

heres what swolecat would have to say on the subject .........
steroids not before 24-25
for your first cycle stacking is not good for you why you ask if something goes wrong are you willing to stop the whole cycle
keep it simple a first cycle should be test of some kind ran alone
and why are you starting at 500mg thats a bit much start out at 250-300mg more does not mean better you can pump yourself with 3000mg a week and see nothing i can take 250mgs a week and blow you out of the water why diet and training

many of you new members dont know who swolecat was so here

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you should all look up his info

fromt he research ive done (including this site) 500mg test and dbol is normal begginer cycle. ill make a new thread in a few years when the time comes anyway

and who is that guy? ive nvr heard of him, hes gd enough 2 be a pro with tht bod though!