Da Bull's cycle

[BUYLONGTERM]

Be careful with the shoulders. I was out for 4 months because of them. I injured my shoulder before that and it took over a year to heal. (my last cycle I lifted with the pain)

Glad your feeling better!!!! Keep us updated!!!!

[Da Bull]

I have had surgery there, and I can tell you some of the things that really hit the RC. Here are some I have to stay away from: incline barbell, decline, preacher curls, standing barbell rows, and military with barbell.

I try and use more dumbells, and less barbells. I can't even do the preacher curls anymore...it puts tremendous stress on your biceps tendons, and mine are fried. If you do standing barbell rows, you can limit your range of motion and not hurt the RC nearly as bad. When mine is feeling goo, I will take lite weight all the way to my shoulders. As the weight gets heavier, or my shoulder hurts more, I will only move the bar up to my nips...and squyeeze like hell in my shoulders.

If you would like, I can try and find some of my physical therapy stuff and scan the printouts that have stretching and warmup exercises for the shoulder.

Sounds good bro........I'm staying away from inclines,they kill me.going to machines for the chest for a while.Elbows are fine,but did have a problem a few years back from preacher curls.Never done them since.

[Da Bull]

Be careful with the shoulders. I was out for 4 months because of them. I injured my shoulder before that and it took over a year to heal. (my last cycle I lifted with the pain)

Glad your feeling better!!!! Keep us updated!!!!

Will do bro

[Swellin]

The biceps tendons I damaged run across the shoulder. I got both of them up at the top. Most folks think about the elbows on preachers, but when you consider that the weight is pulling downward on the entire muscle (and the entire arm for that matter), you can see where it puts a tremendous strain on the tendons at the top of the arm as well. One of the tendons runs in front of your shoulder, with the front delt. The other comes directly over the outer/side delt, and hurts in about the same place as the rotator cuff. I've got pictures of mine somewhere. It is amazing what all of that looks like in there. Everything was all white and clean, but the messed up tendons were frayed and bloody.

Just take a lot of time to warm up the shoulders. Go really light for a while to get them warm, and limit your exposure to heavy weights on compound movements that target the shoulders. No more clean and presses with 405 please.

[Da Bull]

Update..wieght now 251...Legs today.Squats 400# 3 sets of 8,leg extentions 160# 3 sets of 10,leg curls 140# 3 sets of 10,calves seated 230# 3 sets of 10,calves standing 300# 3 sets of 10.Honesty,I could have done more weight on all exercises,but I wanted to focus today more on form,and the back pumps from the dbol were outrageous.Going to run the dbol the rest of this week and that's it.BTW using 50mg ed.Chest tomorrow,debating on how I'm going to work it with the right shoulder still a little tender.I'll probably go on instinct when I get through the doors.Will keep all posted on how it went.

[bigol'legs]

Update..wieght now 251...Legs today.Squats 400# 3 sets of 8,leg extentions 160# 3 sets of 10,leg curls 140# 3 sets of 10,calves seated 230# 3 sets of 10,calves standing 300# 3 sets of 10.Honesty,I could have done more weight on all exercises,but I wanted to focus today more on form,and the back pumps from the dbol were outrageous.Going to run the dbol the rest of this week and that's it.BTW using 50mg ed.Chest tomorrow,debating on how I'm going to work it with the right shoulder still a little tender.I'll probably go on instinct when I get through the doors.Will keep all posted on how it went.

all right man I gotta pipe in on your leg routine... its ummm.. how can I say this gently.. LACKING!!! hehe you need more sets.. Id shoot for 12-16 sets.. right now your only doing 9.. and this is your biggest muscle group in your body.

[Da Bull]

all right man I gotta pipe in on your leg routine... its ummm.. how can I say this gently.. LACKING!!! hehe you need more sets.. Id shoot for 12-16 sets.. right now your only doing 9.. and this is your biggest muscle group in your body.

Give me a few suggestions,I'm open to try anything,and you are the leg man.

[bigol'legs]

Give me a few suggestions,I'm open to try anything,and you are the leg man.

alright man....

4 sets Leg extensions first.. get em nice and warmed up
4 sets Hack squats.. get that form and concentration you want
3 sets Squats.. youll be pre-exausted and the weight wont be a big concern
then... 4-8 sets seated hamcurls.. keep going until you feel that AWESOME pump in your hams.... that should do her!! hehe

your the calf man.. your calve workout looks good

[Da Bull]

alright man....

4 sets Leg extensions first.. get em nice and warmed up
4 sets Hack squats.. get that form and concentration you want
3 sets Squats.. youll be pre-exausted and the weight wont be a big concern
then... 4-8 sets seated hamcurls.. keep going until you feel that AWESOME pump in your hams.... that should do her!! hehe

your the calf man.. your calve workout looks good

Sounds good,always read the pros pre-exausting,but went for the weight instead,then burned out with the iso moves.I'll do this instead,makes more sense,thanks for the input

[bigol'legs]

Ya I like pre-exasting.. I feel like I get better concentration and better pumps.

[Da Bull]

Ya I like pre-exasting.. I feel like I get better concentration and better pumps.

That's why your upper legs are bigger than mine my calves are cool,Iknow how to beat them up good.I slam them 4x a wk,sounds sick I know,but that's how they grow for me for some reason.Now I'll work on the upper half

[DocHoliday]

Word, BigOl is the man to listen to. Thanks for advising me.

Doc

[Da Bull]

alright man....

4 sets Leg extensions first.. get em nice and warmed up
4 sets Hack squats.. get that form and concentration you want
3 sets Squats.. youll be pre-exausted and the weight wont be a big concern
then... 4-8 sets seated hamcurls.. keep going until you feel that AWESOME pump in your hams.... that should do her!! hehe

your the calf man.. your calve workout looks good

We're doing this once a week,right?I hope...lol

[Da Bull]

Word, BigOl is the man to listen to. Thanks for advising me.

Doc

My pleasure doc,geez I thought I was going good,now I feel embarrased

[DocHoliday]

I'm pretty sure he's said he does legs once a week. It was in the post he wrote about the competition he had with that chump in the gym.

[DocHoliday]

Going good? What you talking about? Advise? Nah man you’re on point with advise. Hats off.

Keep up with your cycle man.

My cycle is suckin so far. Like you said a lot has to do with my diet. I’m saved by my shakes. I really don’t know why I can’t squeeze in more cals. I cut down on my sleep if I wake earlier or sleep later to eat.

You’re gaining, so that’s good.

Doc

[Da Bull]

I'm pretty sure he's said he does legs once a week. It was in the post he wrote about the competition he had with that chump in the gym.

Thank God........

[bigol'legs]

Da Bull... Most of the time I would say once a week.. but sometimes it depends on the person... Ive noticed I grown good from once a week.. but others take twice.. and "if" I advised you to do twice a week Id cut the sets down a little...

And Doc.. what chump are you refering to? my memory isnt that good..

[Swellin]

My B.O.L leg work out leaves my legs sore for several days. I don't think they can handle twice a week.

Yep, I'm a puss.

Sounds like you are blowing up DB! What's up with the pics? Wehn will you be posting them?

[DocHoliday]

BigOl,

You had written about some guy who kept challenging you to Squats. So finally you gave in, and he did a “warm up” set and grunted out 10reps. Your buddy’s laughed, his buddy’s cheered him on. You do the same and pretend to struggle a bit. He ups the weight to I don’t know maybe 450 and does 4 or so half down squats. So then you go up and rep out 20 or some crazy shit.

Sorry to hijack DaBull. It’s a good story though.

Doc

[bigol'legs]

BigOl,

You had written about some guy who kept challenging you to Squats. So finally you gave in, and he did a “warm up” set and grunted out 10reps. Your buddy’s laughed, his buddy’s cheered him on. You do the same and pretend to struggle a bit. He ups the weight to I don’t know maybe 450 and does 4 or so half down squats. So then you go up and rep out 20 or some crazy shit.

Sorry to hijack DaBull. It’s a good story though.

Doc

O ya.... that guy was a DORK!!!

[bornbad71]

Bull I'll bring this subject back to your cycle...........not that the post whore himself would mind someone hijackin his thread.......

Sounds like everything is in check..........glad to see ya over the test flu and fillin better and eating again............gotta feed those muscles.......check out bigs leg shocker program(the heavy one)...........I did it thursday and my legs are still sore.........it deff test you mentally........keep growin bro.........maybe one day I will be in the big boy group

[50%Natural]

Damn dabull, with you gaining 25 lbs or so, does anyone at the office notice and say, my dabull, you have a very chubby face today? Damn though, you got me by one inch and 60 lbs. You got to be an animal.

[Da Bull]

Damn dabull, with you gaining 25 lbs or so, does anyone at the office notice and say, my dabull, you have a very chubby face today? Damn though, you got me by one inch and 60 lbs. You got to be an animal.

actually don't look to bloated...some bf in the chest and abs that's about it.And i'm a 43yr old physco..plain and simple........i think i might have a shot at 265-270 by cycles end........then i'll cut and the truth will be told....goals is 230 at 7% bf....I'll be real happy with that...we'll see what shakes

[50%Natural]

43? Damn. The way you joke around with everything I would have thought like 25. Well I'd be interested to see those pics and I bet you look a hell of a lot younger than 43.

[bornbad71]

goals is 230 at 7% bf....I'll be real happy with that...we'll see what shakes

Bro u can make that goal with no problem.....u can meet any goal u set...just set small ones to get to the big ones.

[mass junkie]

yeah post some pics you old fart...

[bornbad71]

Hey Bull did u take any before pics....and have u taken pics thru-out your cycle?

[Da Bull]

Hey Bull did u take any before pics....and have u taken pics thru-out your cycle?

yeah bro..have a whole log,I need to get them up,before they get screwed up,thanks for reminding me

[DocHoliday]

yeah bro..have a whole log,I need to get the cunt to ...oppppppppss...Did I say that..I meant the lady to put them in my files before she fucks it up,thanks for reminding me...Be cool..DB

Hahaha.

You started, well at month 3, 237lbs at 12% body fat. I agree that attaining 230lbs with 7% at the end is more than reasonable. I see your squats went up 50lbs?

Keep it up, but stay really really cautious with the injuries my man. I don’t mean to sound like a dick, but the age is of concern. You can’t bounce back as easily as I would. You know what I’m saying? I really am not trying to rub it in, but reemphasize the importance of caution.

Keep at it.

Doc

[Da Bull]

Hahaha.

You started, well at month 3, 237lbs at 12% body fat. I agree that attaining 230lbs with 7% at the end is more than reasonable. I see your squats went up 50lbs?

Keep it up, but stay really really cautious with the injuries my man. I don’t mean to sound like a dick, but the age is of concern. You can’t bounce back as easily as I would. You know what I’m saying? I really am not trying to rub it in, but reemphasize the importance of caution.

Keep at it.

Doc

I hear what your saying bro..I am taking things on the cautious side..the smallest thing will stop me dead in my tracks.....And that ain't Happening!!!!all the best..DB

[asymmetrical1]

yeah yeah, post some pics bro

[bigol'legs]

Sounds like your hitting it good Da Bull... you make proud

[Da Bull]

OK all..will give an update....weight is at 255# @ 15 % bf,had to add light cardio 3 x wkly,age is a factor here,and bloat is starting to show,started back on 20mg ed Nolv seems to have helped.2 wks ago,had to bump the cyp100mg aweek,Deca was culprit,but all is weel in that department.Dropped cals to 4500,don't feel at my age I can't handle all the extra cals without turning to fat.Upped the HGH.Yesterday went to see the doc,was put on bp meds,makes me a little tired,but my body will adjust.Mondays chest workout was great,no problem with right rotor,was able to blast my chest well,3 sets of 160# db at 8 reps,then did drop sets to 100# all to comlete failure....Went to fly mahine started @200# 3 sets and did drop sets down to a 100#,all complete failure......missed yestday with the doc and the meds he put me on...Did back today and was a little off,damn meds had me feeling a little sluggish....Knocked out 3 sets Barbell rows at 240# @ at 10reps,3 sets of seated rows @ 200# 8 reps,finished with 4 sets of Deadlfts @ 225# for 8 reps was feeling fatigued after that(fucking meds)but a least I showed up.Also.I'm dropping the winny at the end of cycle,don't want to risk anymore joint pain than neccesary,so I'll run the cyp one week londer than the Deca and start pct from there at wk15, Any comments feel free to chime in..All the Best...DB

[mass junkie]

Yeah one thing....damn your a strong fucker......

[bigol'legs]

ill second that... but your weight for the back routines seems a little low... probably the meds your on and the crappy stuff your feeling... though!!!

[bornbad71]

OK all..will give an update....weight is at 255# @ 15 % bf,had to add light cardio 3 x wkly,age is a factor here,and bloat is starting to show,started back on 20mg ed Nolv seems to have helped.2 wks ago,had to bump the cyp100mg aweek,Deca was culprit,but all is weel in that department.Dropped cals to 4500,don't feel at my age I can't handle all the extra cals without turning to fat.Upped the HGH.Yesterday went to see the doc,was put on bp meds,makes me a little tired,but my body will adjust.Mondays chest workout was great,no problem with right rotor,was able to blast my chest well,3 sets of 160# db at 8 reps,then did drop sets to 100# all to comlete failure....Went to fly mahine started @200# 3 sets and did drop sets down to a 100#,all complete failure......missed yestday with the doc and the meds he put me on...Did back today and was a little off,damn meds had me feeling a little sluggish....Knocked out 3 sets Barbell rows at 240# @ at 10reps,3 sets of seated rows @ 200# 8 reps,finished with 4 sets of Deadlfts @ 225# for 8 reps was feeling fatigued after that(fucking meds)but a least I showed up.Also.I'm dropping the winny at the end of cycle,don't want to risk anymore joint pain than neccesary,so I'll run the cyp one week londer than the Deca and start pct from there at wk15, Any comments feel free to chime in..All the Best...DB

Bull don't sweat a sluggish day......we all get them and yours is most likely the meds.....dropping the winny is a good idea....since ya been having some trouble with the joints already.....the cycle should be fine without the winny and from what I have read running the test one wk longer than deca is what u should do...the back workout was ok since ya having to adjust to the meds....hell some people would have not went at all...and u are one strong mofo.....just wait til u hit the 200# db's on incline(that will b awesome).....o so the nolva has helped with the bloating(bloating is something that I am not really looking forward to, but I'm gonna run nolva thru-out my complete cycle ed).....good luck and continue to keep us updated.

[DocHoliday]

Strong MoFo? Maniac!!! How much longer until you drop the winny DB?

Doc

[Da Bull]

Strong MoFo? Maniac!!! How much longer until you drop the winny DB?

Doc

Havent started winny yet,comes in at week 10,still might go for it,have 1 wk to decide,need to see how I'm feeling joint wise.Arm day tomorrow will keep all posted...Be Cool....DB

[DocHoliday]

Ahhh. Comes in at week 10? I thought you were in your 3rd month of HGH? You started the tests much later?