Photo's of the Lebanese kids today...

[BOUNCER]

Guy's the photos were taken down. Not just because they were posted by Militia'gay but because their offensive to the members here.

Anyway, let me just ask you guys this.

When I posted in the lounge that my cat was run over and seriously injured people said they'd pray for his recovery!, a fvcking cat!.

I know some of you are religious, some not. But tonight, whatever god you believe in lets say a little prayer for these children, and all other's like them.

Lets put aside accusations of who's responsible for their deaths and just remember that its the innocent non-combatants paying a very heavy price for the failings of politicans and terrorist leaders.

One thing the peace process here in Ireland has taught me, its that there's nothing which can be gained from terror that can not be gained from proper deplomacy. Or as Winston Churchill once said "Its better to jaw jaw than war war".

[Mizfit]

I agree the pictures were sick..

I know it happens, but it is not something i need to see plastered all over this site - espcially because of the reasoning behind them being posted. I have enough nightmares.

[Teabagger]

The prayers were sent as soon as I saw the photos. I don't care if they're Lebonese, Palastenian, or Israeli, they are children and doom on those that turn their back on peace and foster an environment that leads to the killing of innocents.

[Teabagger]

Oh and let me holla out to M'GAY, the poster of the pics



BAD

[Badgerman]

Stop trying to pick fights...

[tiger909]

bouncer---great post bro

[Destructo]

A sincere Thank You, Bouncer.
I was in Beirut last year.

[juiceboxxx]

nicee stuff

my prayers are with them

[Badgerman]

I like cake....

[Kale]

Why are you trying to turn this thread into another shit fight. Hopefully you are on the same hit list as M'guy and C !!!!

no fighting anymore...

[tiger909]

Why are you trying to turn this thread into another shit fight. Hopefully you are on the same hit list as M'guy and C !!!!

this is why i responded as i did

[ZIA1]

It is a tragedy when children are killed during warfare. The problem, of course, is NOT that collateral damage cannot be avoided but rather Hezbollah lives and operates in civilian areas. This is a fact.

[Badgerman]

i have read enough of this...this was a thread started to say a prayer for children, not start a fight about religion...grow up...

Bouncer if i was out of line editing posts or deleting some i am sorry, and please pm me when you can...WEBB

[BOUNCER]

Why are you trying to turn this thread into another shit fight. Hopefully you are on the same hit list as M'guy and C !!!!

I can't access my control panel from work. But he's gone this evening.

[Teabagger]

stfu

You took the words right out of my mouth!! My sentiments exactly.

[Teabagger]

I can't access my control panel from work. But he's gone this evening.

Ref: Thanks be to Bouncer.

[Mizfit]

But doesn't the G-d of Israel endorse wholesale slaughter??.....Just ask a Canaanite

Last time I perused the OT there were lots of genocides commanded by G-d

Children don't do anything to anyone.. they are taught hate.. by people like your self i guess..

There are two sides to every story.. we all know this, but children.. should never be involved period. Yes we all realize they are victims, but your nonsense and the shit that comes outta your mouth doesn't make any of it any better..

[JohnboyF]

Children don't do anything to anyone.. they are taught hate.. by people like your self i guess..

There are two sides to every story.. we all know this, but children.. should never be involved period. Yes we all realize they are victims, but your nonsense and the shit that comes outta your mouth doesn't make any of it any better..

Took the words right out my mouth....

Peace in the Middle East..

[RA]

Badger, I can't say I will miss you.

[GREENMACHINE]

Fantastic post. Missed militiagay's post which is prolly a good thing. Saw it all on the news today also. It really brought home the reality of war.

Guy's the photos were taken down. Not just because they were posted by Militia'gay but because their offensive to the members here.

Anyway, let me just ask you guys this.

When I posted in the lounge that my cat was run over and seriously injured people said they'd pray for his recovery!, a fvcking cat!.

I know some of you are religious, some not. But tonight, whatever god you believe in lets say a little prayer for these children, and all other's like them.

Lets put aside accusations of who's responsible for their deaths and just remember that its the innocent non-combatants paying a very heavy price for the failings of politicans and terrorist leaders.

One thing the peace process here in Ireland has taught me, its that there's nothing which can be gained from terror that can not be gained from proper deplomacy. Or as Winston Churchill once said "Its better to jaw jaw than war war".

[GREENMACHINE]

Let's try and stay on topic here. Sorry freak that post of your I quoted sounds like BS, care to back up your claim by PM

[WEBB]

Look, I have had enough of the fighting...either take it to pm's or you will be banned...this goes to everyone involed, with a special bannig invite to Badgerman...this thread was for childern and people were asked to say a pray for kids killed...not to start some religious argument...grow up...and show some respect, no matter what religion is involved...

deleting all usless bickering now...

[Phreak101]

Badger you're on this thread all day getting hyped up over an online argument...let's put it to rest. We can all drop the harsh words, why continue to piss off people? Especially mods....

Lucky for you this clomid is making me forgiving ;-)

[Badgerman]

Badger you're on this thread all day getting hyped up over an online argument...let's put it to rest. We can all drop the harsh words, why continue to piss off people? Especially mods....

Lucky for you this clomid is making me forgiving ;-)

Agreed......

[Badgerman]

WEBB is....the greatest mod ever...even though he misses some posts that should have been deleted the first time....

[WEBB]

Agreed......

Thanks guys...just trying to keep everyone on topic..and also a member on the board

[painiscoming]

Guy's the photos were taken down. Not just because they were posted by Militia'gay but because their offensive to the members here.

Anyway, let me just ask you guys this.

When I posted in the lounge that my cat was run over and seriously injured people said they'd pray for his recovery!, a fvcking cat!.

I know some of you are religious, some not. But tonight, whatever god you believe in lets say a little prayer for these children, and all other's like them.

Lets put aside accusations of who's responsible for their deaths and just remember that its the innocent non-combatants paying a very heavy price for the failings of politicans and terrorist leaders.

One thing the peace process here in Ireland has taught me, its that there's nothing which can be gained from terror that can not be gained from proper deplomacy. Or as Winston Churchill once said "Its better to jaw jaw than war war".

I AM 100% WITH YOU MAN ! lets pray for all the women , children and innocent lives that are being taken in both sides

[ZIA1]

I AM 100% WITH YOU MAN ! lets pray for all the women , children and innocent lives that are being taken in both sides

Maybe the casualties would be limited if residents heeded to calls by the IDF to leave their homes; Hezbollah is launching rockets from inside civilian towns. The IDF has no choice but to respond. However, the IDF must warn civilians first. On the other side, Hezbollah is launching NOT surgical strikes like the IAF but rather indiscriminate bombing of Haifa, Acre, Nazereth, Safed, etc. At least we warn their civilians first. Its so pathetic to see that the Hezbollah, which declare themselves an army, must use their own people as shields.

"IDF to residents of 10 south Lebanon villages: Leave by 7 P.M.

Haaretz Correspondents, and AP

Israel Defense Forces troops urged residents of around 10 villages in southern Lebanon to leave by 7 P.M. (1500 GMT) on Saturday ahead of planned air strikes against suspected Hezbollah guerrillas, military sources said.

"In tackling the terrorists, we have two choices - either to send in troops or to bomb their infrastructure from the air. Clearly the latter is preferable, but we want to give the civilians time to leave," a military source said.

The source said the villagers had been asked to leave via broadcast messages and requests passed to community leaders, and that the deadline had been given "well in advance.'"

[ZIA1]

In addition to what I stated above:

"One of Hizbullah's most powerful weapons is the use of human shields. By hiding its soldiers and armaments among civilians in Lebanon, the organization can slow down the Israeli response and manipulate world opinion.

Reports from Lebanon that gun battles have broken out between southern Lebanese villagers trying to leave their villages, and Hizbullah gunmen who have trapped them with roadblocks, are therefore unsurprising."

[BOUNCER]

Maybe the casualties would be limited if residents heeded to calls by the IDF to leave their homes

First off, stop bringing the thread off topic please.

Second, you obviously don't know South Lebanon and the difficulty in moving around, even in relatively peaceful times. When the IAF dropped leaflets telling the people to flee north I thought "how the fvck are they expected to move north when the transport infastructure has been completely taken apart".

Third. The Hezbollah. Cowardly, cowardly fvckers. I hate them. They've woken a sleeping monster, this was always going to happen and its all blown up in their faces. I've seen attacks by Hezbollah on the IDF so often, and they all take the sme route. Come down from Beirut, attack and flee north to leave the south and its innocents to be pulverised by Israel. The difference this time is the IDF hit back hard and fast preventing the hairy's from fleeing north and now their trapped.

One thing which has been on my mind all week, and I've voiced this to Israeli friends for years.

Israel has to take some responsiblity for the failings of UNIFIL. Israel set UNIFIL a very weak mandate, its barely unable to defend itself (UNIFIL) from attack let alone Israel's borders. I operated there with UNIFIL in an infantry battalion with (military members here will realise the folly of this) no air support, hardly any armour (old AML 90's. With a 90mm main gun. Hardly an MBT). We had APC's with .50cal weapons for infantry support. A scattering of 120mm mortors and aside from the AML 90's no anti-armour weapons. We relied on IDF support for almost everything, and this left their borders weak.

The IDF should never have withdrawn from the South without giving UNIFIL a much stronger mandate, but instead weakened it again by forcing UNNY to reduce the size of UNIFIL.

To finish I'll agree with you (AIZ) in one regard. In my experience the IDF has almost always given advanced warning to UNIFIL of any shelling of Lebanon.

What the normal SOP's were are. IDF op's and Liasion would ring UNIFIL HQ and give a shell warning, including the times and places to be shelled. When the shelling will commence and when it will stop, and what type of weapons will be used. As as sure as hell if the IDF said they'd commence shelling at 19:00hrs, at 19:00hrs the shelling would start, and stop when it said it would. In this regard I'd give the IDF credit with trying to save civilians from attack.

[Headdress]

I would suggest all of us meet and meditate on ways to prevent such death.
The prayers should be against the evil spirits that rule the hearts of men that wage war. War is never the right option.

http://emes.quaker.eu.org/documents/...he-spirit.html

[Headdress]

There is no reason to be killing each other.

[Headdress]

If both sides would meet and putaside their evil intentions. Friendship is possible.

[Oki-Des]

When I was 15 years old, my first girlfriend got hit by a train and killed. She fell on the tracks and as the train came she just froze. She had plenty of time to just get up and move, but she didnt. If any of us thought she would not have just moved, we could have even ran up to her and pulled her away. It was all in slow motion yet no one did anything. By the time everyone realized she was not going to move there was no time to get her.

The only reason I am telling you this story is because the next day in the newspaper the story was on the front page. But of all the school pictures they could have chosen to put with the story, they showed some guy hosing the blood from the road and tracks. So whoever posted those pictures, please understand, you are the ones that many people hate for being so very ignorant. We know that terrible things happen everyday, but dont ever convince yourself that you are clever, because you are not. The only awareness you will ever raise is the hatred people feel for you. You will most likely never accomplish anything positive, or these actions would never be contemplated.

[ZIA1]

Second, you obviously don't know South Lebanon and the difficulty in moving around, even in relatively peaceful times. When the IAF dropped leaflets telling the people to flee north I thought "how the fvck are they expected to move north when the transport infastructure has been completely taken apart".

Let the Lebanese government worry about their citizens, like other countries do. GET THE FVCKING CIVILIANS OUT OF HARMS WAY

Israel has to take some responsiblity for the failings of UNIFIL. Israel set UNIFIL a very weak mandate, its barely unable to defend itself (UNIFIL) from attack let alone Israel's borders. I operated there with UNIFIL in an infantry battalion with (military members here will realise the folly of this) no air support, hardly any armour (old AML 90's. With a 90mm main gun. Hardly an MBT). We had APC's with .50cal weapons for infantry support. A scattering of 120mm mortors and aside from the AML 90's no anti-armour weapons. We relied on IDF support for almost everything, and this left their borders weak.

Israel doesn't set UN mandates for UN bodies. That's for the UN to do. The UN failed UNIFIL, not Israel.
The IDF should never have withdrawn from the South without giving UNIFIL a much stronger mandate, but instead weakened it again by forcing UNNY to reduce the size of UNIFIL.

[Headdress]

Israel has alot of hatred in their soul.
I would suggest meditation on something other than weaponry.

[Headdress]

I don't understand displacing millions over two kidnapped soldiers.
Lebanese are just as valuable as any other. Remember when the prodigal son's return was rejoiced. The father didn't send the army. He just waited.
Sometimes no response is the best. Evil begets evil.

[Headdress]

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Friends believe that there exists element of God's spirit in every human soul. Thus all persons have inherent worth, independent of their gender, race, age, nationality, religion, and sexual orientation. Their opposition to sexism, racism, religious intolerance, warfare and the death penalty comes from this belief.
Simplicity, pacifism, and inner revelation are long standing Quaker beliefs. Their religion does not consist of accepting specific beliefs or of engaging in certain practices; it involves each person's direct experience of God.
There is a strong mystical component to Quaker belief. In the moving words of one reviewer of this essay, "In Meeting for Worship, God is there. God is probably always there, but in Meeting, I am able to slow down enough to see God. The Light becomes tangible for me, a blanket of love, a hope made living."
They do not have a specific creed; however, many of the coordinating groups have created statements of faith. The statement by the largest Quaker body, the Friends United Meeting includes the beliefs in: true religion as a personal encounter with God, rather than ritual and ceremony
individual worth before God
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Many do not regard the Bible as the only source of belief and conduct. They rely upon their Inner Light to resolve what they perceive as the Bible's many contradictions. They also feel free to take advantage of scientific and philosophical findings from other sources.
Individual Quakers hold diverse views concerning life after death. Few believe in the eternal punishment of individuals in a Hell.
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Quakers have had a tradition of opposing war. They have followed the beliefs of the early Christian movement which was strongly pacifist. Early Christians even refused to bring charges against others if there was a possibility of the death penalty being exercised. Together with the Amish, Church of the Brethren, and Mennonites, they made it possible for men to be classified as conscientious objectors.

[ZIA1]

I don't understand displacing millions over two kidnapped soldiers.
Lebanese are just as valuable as any other. Remember when the prodigal son's return was rejoiced. The father didn't send the army. He just waited.
Sometimes no response is the best. Evil begets evil.

We also have thousands of displaced persons. The difference is that our government actually does something about it.

If you can't understand why Israel is reacting the way it is then you don't understand Hezbollah, terrorism, global jihad, or the conflict in the north. Read up some...and not the nightly news

[Headdress]

We also have thousands of displaced persons. The difference is that our government actually does something about it.

If you can't understand why Israel is reacting the way it is then you don't understand Hezbollah, terrorism, global jihad, or the conflict in the north. Read up some...and not the nightly news

My impression is that Israel values Jews over everyone else.
Maybe a change of attitude on both sides sans tanks would help.