Looks like prophesy may soon be fufilled....

**alphaman** · 07-31-2006, 07:16 PM

Isaiah 17
An Oracle Against Damascus
1 An oracle concerning Damascus:
"See, Damascus will no longer be a city
but will become a heap of ruins.
2 The cities of Aroer will be deserted
and left to flocks, which will lie down,
with no one to make them afraid.

3 The fortified city will disappear from Ephraim,
and royal power from Damascus;
the remnant of Aram will be
like the glory of the Israelites,"
declares the LORD Almighty.

4 "In that day the glory of Jacob will fade;
the fat of his body will waste away.

5 It will be as when a reaper gathers the standing grain
and harvests the grain with his arm—
as when a man gleans heads of grain
in the Valley of Rephaim.

6 Yet some gleanings will remain,
as when an olive tree is beaten,
leaving two or three olives on the topmost branches,
four or five on the fruitful boughs,"
declares the LORD, the God of Israel.

7 In that day men will look to their Maker
and turn their eyes to the Holy One of Israel.

8 They will not look to the altars,
the work of their hands,
and they will have no regard for the Asherah poles [a]
and the incense altars their fingers have made.

9 In that day their strong cities, which they left because of the Israelites, will be like places abandoned to thickets and undergrowth. And all will be desolation.

10 You have forgotten God your Savior;
you have not remembered the Rock, your fortress.
Therefore, though you set out the finest plants
and plant imported vines,

11 though on the day you set them out, you make them grow,
and on the morning when you plant them, you bring them to bud,
yet the harvest will be as nothing
in the day of disease and incurable pain.

12 Oh, the raging of many nations—
they rage like the raging sea!
Oh, the uproar of the peoples—
they roar like the roaring of great waters!

13 Although the peoples roar like the roar of surging waters,
when he rebukes them they flee far away,
driven before the wind like chaff on the hills,
like tumbleweed before a gale.

14 In the evening, sudden terror!
Before the morning, they are gone!
This is the portion of those who loot us,
the lot of those who plunder us.

To this day this has not happened to Damascus.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060731/...deast_assad_dc

**zOaib** · 08-01-2006, 06:52 AM

Is the Christian World Ready for Jesus?

The love of Jesus has given to Christians throughout history a proper morality. In the Qur'an, God describes Christians as "most affectionate to those who believe" and says that "That is because some of them are priests and monks and because they are not arrogant." (Qur'an, 5:82)

In another verse, Christians' positive morality is mentioned:

Then We sent Our Messengers following in their footsteps and sent Jesus son of Mary after them, giving him the Gospel. We put compassion and mercy in the hearts of those who followed him. (Qur'an, 57:27)

Because of their love for Jesus, Christians throughout history have endured all kinds of cruelty, chosen to forgo the pleasures of life and live with suffering and performed deeds of great self-sacrifice. These are indications of a deep sincerity. But in this age when the return of Jesus is near, this sincerity must be stronger, and service to Jesus' religion must be performed more effectively.

But some Christians today give the impression that they are not sensitive enough to Jesus' impending return.

So by the return of Jesus, the three monotheistic religions will unite, there will be one single religion on earth based on faith in God. This religion will defeat the atheistic philosophies and pagan beliefs with intellectual means; the world will be saved from wars, conflicts, racial and ethnic hostility, cruelty and injustice. Humanity will enter a "Golden Age" of peace, happiness and well-being.

Certainly, this will be the greatest event in the history of the world. In this situation in which the three monotheistic religions will unite, the whole American continent, Europe, the Islamic world, Russia and Israel will be allied on the basis of a shared faith, and no such unity has ever occurred before. The peace, well-being, stability and happiness to be established in the world by this union has never been known in any previous period; its likeness has never been seen.

And, when Jesus returns to earth, it will be one of the greatest wonders in the history of the world.

The return of Jesus to the earth in his mature years without a mother and father will be a great wonder. And he will show people new miracles. As a result, materialist philosophy, which has already collapsed on the levels of science and philosophy, will suffer irrevocable ruin for all the world to see, and people will witness the clear proofs for the existence and power of God.

So, in the light of the signs in the Qur'an, the sayings of our Prophet and the interpretations of leading scholars in Islam, we believe that this blessed period is very near. As Muslims, we are very excited about the imminent return of Jesus and are doing all we can to prepare ourselves and the world to receive this blessed guest.

Thus, we call on Christians to be as sensitive, aware and eager as possible about this.

**Phreak101** · 08-01-2006, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by zOaib

Is the Christian World Ready for Jesus?

The love of Jesus has given to Christians throughout history a proper morality. In the Qur'an, God describes Christians as "most affectionate to those who believe" and says that "That is because some of them are priests and monks and because they are not arrogant." (Qur'an, 5:82)

In another verse, Christians' positive morality is mentioned:

Then We sent Our Messengers following in their footsteps and sent Jesus son of Mary after them, giving him the Gospel. We put compassion and mercy in the hearts of those who followed him. (Qur'an, 57:27)

I wish all people of Islamic (and Christian!) faith were as open minded as this. Having different beliefs but respecting the different beliefs of others that still uphold basic morality and good nature is paramount to civilization as we know it.

Good stuff!

**alphaman** · 08-01-2006, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by zOaib

Is the Christian World Ready for Jesus?

The love of Jesus has given to Christians throughout history a proper morality. In the Qur'an, God describes Christians as "most affectionate to those who believe" and says that "That is because some of them are priests and monks and because they are not arrogant." (Qur'an, 5:82)

In another verse, Christians' positive morality is mentioned:

Then We sent Our Messengers following in their footsteps and sent Jesus son of Mary after them, giving him the Gospel. We put compassion and mercy in the hearts of those who followed him. (Qur'an, 57:27)

Because of their love for Jesus, Christians throughout history have endured all kinds of cruelty, chosen to forgo the pleasures of life and live with suffering and performed deeds of great self-sacrifice. These are indications of a deep sincerity. But in this age when the return of Jesus is near, this sincerity must be stronger, and service to Jesus' religion must be performed more effectively.

But some Christians today give the impression that they are not sensitive enough to Jesus' impending return.

So by the return of Jesus, the three monotheistic religions will unite, there will be one single religion on earth based on faith in God. This religion will defeat the atheistic philosophies and pagan beliefs with intellectual means; the world will be saved from wars, conflicts, racial and ethnic hostility, cruelty and injustice. Humanity will enter a "Golden Age" of peace, happiness and well-being.

Certainly, this will be the greatest event in the history of the world. In this situation in which the three monotheistic religions will unite, the whole American continent, Europe, the Islamic world, Russia and Israel will be allied on the basis of a shared faith, and no such unity has ever occurred before. The peace, well-being, stability and happiness to be established in the world by this union has never been known in any previous period; its likeness has never been seen.

And, when Jesus returns to earth, it will be one of the greatest wonders in the history of the world.

The return of Jesus to the earth in his mature years without a mother and father will be a great wonder. And he will show people new miracles. As a result, materialist philosophy, which has already collapsed on the levels of science and philosophy, will suffer irrevocable ruin for all the world to see, and people will witness the clear proofs for the existence and power of God.

So, in the light of the signs in the Qur'an, the sayings of our Prophet and the interpretations of leading scholars in Islam, we believe that this blessed period is very near. As Muslims, we are very excited about the imminent return of Jesus and are doing all we can to prepare ourselves and the world to receive this blessed guest.

Thus, we call on Christians to be as sensitive, aware and eager as possible about this.

Good to hear from you! I was really upset when they closed the prw forum because I was enjoying thr rejected stone thread. Did you ever get the chance to read my posts or respond to them?

Could you describe your understanding of Jesus' love?

**CAUSASSIAN** · 08-01-2006, 06:34 PM

Another prophesy -

Moses in the Jewish Bible, speaking about Jews of the future says;

"For I know that after my death you will act corruptly and turn from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days, for you will do that which is evil in the sight of the Lord, provoking Him to anger with the work of your hands (Deut. 31:29).

**alphaman** · 08-01-2006, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by Phreak101

I wish all people of Islamic (and Christian!) faith were as open minded as this. Having different beliefs but respecting the different beliefs of others that still uphold basic morality and good nature is paramount to civilization as we know it.

Good stuff!

All religions claim to be the truth about God. So, it is impossible for a believer of any one of them to look at the different "religious truths" as syncretistic.

"Truth is, by definition, exclusive. If truth does not exclude, then no assertion of a truth claim is being made; it's just an opinion that is being stated. Any time you make a truth claim, you mean something that is contrary to it is false. Truth excludes it's opposite."
-Ravi Zacharias

**alphaman** · 08-01-2006, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by CAUSASSIAN

Another prophesy -

Moses in the Jewish Bible, speaking about Jews of the future says;

"For I know that after my death you will act corruptly and turn from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days, for you will do that which is evil in the sight of the Lord, provoking Him to anger with the work of your hands (Deut. 31:29).

So..... you think that he's talking about the current conflict? And Hezbollah is any less sinful?

**3Vandoo** · 08-01-2006, 07:25 PM

My prophecy is easy

"shall stand in front of bunker buster, shall get his balls shattered"

**Teabagger** · 08-01-2006, 07:32 PM

I want to also say you have always been enlightening...and from my perspective you represent Islam in a way I have not seen here, or very many other places. I read your posts and consider what is said, unlike the ugly, shreiking, hateful posts from others who certainly do not put a good face on Islam. Thanks...I actually learn something from your posts.

Peace be with you.

**zOaib** · 08-15-2006, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by alphaman

Good to hear from you! I was really upset when they closed the prw forum because I was enjoying thr rejected stone thread. Did you ever get the chance to read my posts or respond to them?

Could you describe your understanding of Jesus' love?

JESUS (LOVE) = Following in the teaching of Jesus !

all nations before who were send prophets n messengers , if they followed in the message that was revealed upon them , were showing love for the prophet/messenger which overall contributed to Love of God . thats my belief and practice.

**alphaman** · 08-15-2006, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by zOaib

JESUS (LOVE) = Following in the teaching of Jesus !

all nations before who were send prophets n messengers , if they followed in the message that was revealed upon them , were showing love for the prophet/messenger which overall contributed to Love of God . thats my belief and practice.

What is at the core of Jesus' teaching?

**zOaib** · 08-18-2006, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by alphaman

What is at the core of Jesus' teaching?

patience with compassion and surrenderance Of ones Will to One God , The Creator The Almighty The Merciful .

**biglouie250** · 08-18-2006, 02:34 PM

zoaib - great post but a question. why are you awaiting the return of jesus and not mohammed? to my understanding although jesus is a very respected and loved prophet of islam he is not the messiah according to islamic teachings..... by natural logic wouldnt the world unite under mohammed assuming he is the messiah more readily then jesus a prophet?

had to play devils advocate there.

**Kärnfysikern** · 08-18-2006, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by biglouie250

zoaib - great post but a question. why are you awaiting the return of jesus and not mohammed? to my understanding although jesus is a very respected and loved prophet of islam he is not the messiah according to islamic teachings..... by natural logic wouldnt the world unite under mohammed assuming he is the messiah more readily then jesus a prophet?

had to play devils advocate there.

This wiki link might answere some questions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_view_of_Jesus