More propoganda fun!

[Phreak101]

To ensure we Americans never offend anyone -- particularly
fanatics intent on killing us -- law enforcement and security
screeners are not allowed to "profile" people in public places or
security checkpoints. However, they will continue to perform
random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots
with proper identification, Secret Service agents who are members
of the President's security detail, 85-year-old congressmen with
metal hips and even Medal of Honor recipients. But targeting
Middle Eastern male Islamists between the ages 17 and 40
constitutes "ethnic profiling."


Let's pause a moment and review....


In 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by: (a) A salesman from
Utah (b) An construction worker (c) A college student on Spring
Break (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17
and 40.

In 1972, 11 Israeli athletes were killed at the Munich Olympics
by: (a) Your grandmother (b) A Midwest auto-parts dealer (c) A
mom and her 6-year-old son visiting from Indiana (d) Middle
Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 1979, the U.S. embassy in Iran was taken over by: (a) A
bluegrass band (b) Dallas Cowboy fans (c) A tour group of
80-year-old women (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the
ages of 17 and 40.

During the 1980's numerous Americans wer e kidnapped in Lebanon
by: (a) A family on their way to Disney World (b) Jesse Ventura
(c) A Boy Scout Troop (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between
the ages of 17 and 40.

In 1983, the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by: (a)
A pizza delivery boy (b) The UPS guy (c) Geraldo Rivera making up
for a slow news day (d) Middle Eastern Isl amist males between the
ages of 17 and 40.

In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked, and a
70-year-old disabled American passenger was murdered and thrown
overboard by: (a) A girls' choir (b) A hardware store owner (c) A
secretary (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of
17 and 40.

In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a U.S. Navy
diver was murd ered by: (a) A Marine officer with two weeks leave
(b) A plumber going to visit his mom (c) A Catholic nun (d)
Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by: (a) A college-bound
freshman (b) A cardiac surgeon on his way to Houston (c) A
waitress (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17
and 40.

In 1993, the World Trade Center was bombed by: (a) A starving
actress (b) A mom with a newborn (c) Twin six-year-old boys (d)
Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 1995, a plot to blow up U.S.-bound international flights over
the Pacific was attempted by (a) Hawaiian school kids (b) An
decorated Vietnam Veteran (c) Twin sisters on th eir way to
Paducah (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17
and 40.

In 1998, the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
(a) A local TV weatherman (b) A dad and his two sons on a ski
trip (c) A widower going to visit his grandchildren (d) Middle
Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 2000, 17 sailors died in an attack on the USS Cole (DDG 67) in
Yemen by: (a) A child in a stroller (b) A high school class on
their way to visit Washington, DC (c) Newlyweds on their way to
Miami (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17
and 40.

On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked -- two flown into the
World Trade Centers, one into the Pentagon and one into the
ground in rural Pennsylvania. They were hijacked by: (a) A
retired police officer on a mission trip to Haiti (b) A
firefighter going to Maryland for training (c) An paramedic on
his way to vacation in Hawaii (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males
between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 2002 the United States liberated Afghanistan from: (a) USAID
relief workers (b) Jewish Pilgrims (c) Christian missionaries (d)
Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl and other Westerners were kidnapped
and beheaded by: (a) The Peace Corp (b) Scottish clansmen (c)
Cuban refugees (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages
of 17 and 40.

In 2002, more than 330 hostages in Beslan and 130 hostages in
Moscow were murdered in sieges by: (a) Russian exchange students
(b) The Red Guard (c) Church planters (d) Middle Eastern Islamist
males between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 2003 the United States liberated Iraq from "The Butcher of
Baghdad," bu t most American military personnel were killed by:
(a) Iraqi school-girls (b) Street vegetable venders (c) Women
without burkas (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages
of 17 and 40.

In 2004, more than 200 Spanish civilians were murdered on trains
by bombs in Madrid, detonated by: (a) Morning commuters (b) A
three-year-old Chinese girl (c) Flamenco dancers (d) Middle
Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 2005 more than 50 UK citizens were killed by bombs on trains
in London, detonated by: (a) Rail workers (b) Those unable to
hail taxis (c) Wheelchair-bound grandmothers (d) Middle Eastern
Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 2005, there were hundreds of casualties, men, women and
ch ildren, killed by bombs in Jerusalem, Riyadh and Amman. These
innocent civilians were murdered by: (a) Construction workers (b)
Farmers (c) Christian missionaries (d) Middle Eastern Islami st
males between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 2005, the city of Paris, and other European cities experienced
an extended period of riots and destruction. The unrest was led
by: (a) "Youth" (b) Soccer fans (c) Catholic nuns (d) Middle
Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

Since the beginning of Operation Iraqi Freedom, more than 2,500
Americans have been murdered by terrorists. 35,000 Iraqi men,
women and children have also been murdered by terrorists. Most of
the combat and civilians casualties were the result of bombs
detonated in civilian population cen ters by: (a) Fruit vendors in
Baghdad (b) Disgruntled transit union workers (c) Iraqi
schoolteachers (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages
of 17 and 40.

In 2006, hundreds of Israeli civilians have been killed by
rockets launched by: (a) the Salvation Army (b) remnants of the
'Jackson Five' (c) the cast of 'Friends' (d) Middle Eastern
Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 2006, a plot to blow up 10 U.S.-bound planes from the U.K. was
attempted by (a) members of the royal family (b) Japanese
tourists (c) groupies of the band 'Cream' (d) Middle Eastern
Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

Since 2001, the FBI reports that there are major terrorist cells
still in U.S. urban ce nters. Several of these cells have been
uncovered and cell members arrested. In every case, the
terrorists cell members were: (a) Southern Baptists
Conventioneers (b) Lutheran Youth Groups (c) Presbyterian Elders
(d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

President George Bush said this week, "America is at war with
Islamic fascists who will use any means to destroy those of us
who love freedom, to hurt our nation." The Council on
American-Islamic Relations issued an immediate objection to the
President's reference to "Islamic fascists". Nihad Awad,
ex ecutive director of CAIR protested, "We have to isolate these
individuals because there is nothing in the Koran or the Islamic
faith that encourages people to be cruel or to be vicious or to
be criminal. Muslims world wide know that for sure." In light of
this objection, we are left to ponder why every Islamic leader in
the U.S., and the world, does not publicly condemn every terror
action being undertaken in the name of the god of Islam. Their
silence is deafening...

Between 1970 and present, there were more than 60 other notable
examples of terrorism perpetrated by Middle Eastern male
Islamists between the ages 17 and 40, but we think you get the
point. Singling out "Middle Eastern male Islamists between the
ages 17 and 40" is not "ethnic profiling," it's "terrorist
profiling" -- acting on prolific evidence.

Anyone for Terrorist Profiling?

[singern]

Our local Liberals, conspiracy theorists, and terrorist sympathizers should have a field day with this one.....

[Phreak101]

Our local Liberals, conspiracy theorists, and terrorist sympathizers should have a field day with this one.....

I agree, I'm bracing for the tidal wave of to come crashing down...

[Kärnfysikern]

its not like the only crimes beeing commited is terrorism. By making it a priority to screen arabs it would maby be easier for other criminals to slip by??

Isnt most crimes commited by black people in the states? Maby cops should get priviliges when it comes to arresting and searching black people?

I dont se why all arabs should be profiled when terrorism is one of the least likely crimes anyone of us(especialy me offcourse living in sweden) is going to suffer from.

[Kärnfysikern]

Ohh yeah most crimes are commited by people with less education. Remove the need for a warant to search the homes of people without a college education.

Its the same line of though.

[singern]

its not like the only crimes beeing commited is terrorism. By making it a priority to screen arabs it would maby be easier for other criminals to slip by??

Isnt most crimes commited by black people in the states? Maby cops should get priviliges when it comes to arresting and searching black people?

I dont se why all arabs should be profiled when terrorism is one of the least likely crimes anyone of us(especialy me offcourse living in sweden) is going to suffer from.

You make a valid argument, and honestly I have heard similar arguments from people across the spectrum, However I have not heard an alternative. How indeed do you screen for those who wish to kill you without offending an entire race? I think it will a long time before there is a feasible answer.

[Kärnfysikern]

You make a valid argument, and honestly I have heard similar arguments from people across the spectrum, However I have not heard an alternative. How indeed do you screen for those who wish to kill you without offending an entire race? I think it will a long time before there is a feasible answer.

IMo increase security all over. Restrict what can be brought onto the plane. Better equpiment to scan luggage ect. Might be a hazzle for those that fly often. But I think most people rather go through alot of hazzle than to be blown up in the air.

I dont care about offending any race or group of people, if that was needed **** em and do it. But I think its a danger to focus to much on one race because it means other criminals might slip through more easily.
Its not a solution in my mind considering how rare terrorism acctualy is compared to other crimes.

[Kärnfysikern]

I like this article
http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Anal..._Plot_999.html

It also hits the nail on the head regarding europe.

[Phreak101]

IMo increase security all over. Restrict what can be brought onto the plane. Better equpiment to scan luggage ect. Might be a hazzle for those that fly often. But I think most people rather go through alot of hazzle than to be blown up in the air.

I dont care about offending any race or group of people, if that was needed **** em and do it. But I think its a danger to focus to much on one race because it means other criminals might slip through more easily.
Its not a solution in my mind considering how rare terrorism acctualy is compared to other crimes.

Three words...arm the pilots.

The cockpit door locks, have a small camera so the pilots can see who is wanting to enter, and train them in firearms training similar to police officers. Let's see some razor blades stop a .45.

[Teabagger]

Ya know the post provides a pretty clear picture....it again just highlights that reason, logic, evidence, and stats will never get in the way of political correctness....never. I'm surprised that the profiling of serial killers, child molestors, etc... has not been challanged. The profile of those two population groups is WHITE..MALE...between the ages of zip and zap. Thats racial and gender profiling...boohoo...I feel violated, discriminated against, and will probably need extensive therapy to overcome this trauma!! Screw the liberal pukes and anyone else that thinks we owe a group of people tying to kill us "fairness"

[Kärnfysikern]

Ya know the post provides a pretty clear picture....it again just highlights that reason, logic, evidence, and stats will never get in the way of political correctness....never. I'm surprised that the profiling of serial killers, child molestors, etc... has not been challanged. The profile of those two population groups is WHITE..MALE...between the ages of zip and zap. Thats racial and gender profiling...boohoo...I feel violated, discriminated against, and will probably need extensive therapy to overcome this trauma!! Screw the liberal pukes and anyone else that thinks we owe a group of people tying to kill us "fairness"

Im not against it because of political corectness. Im against it becuase I see no need for it considering how rare terrorism is relative to other crimes.

The article I linked to just gives more reasons. If you make all arab americans feel alianated they wont turn in the bad eggs.

[Teabagger]

I like this article
http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Anal..._Plot_999.html

It also hits the nail on the head regarding europe.

I found the article dangerous, and again spouting the political correctness that is soooo favored, gospel-like of the jerkknee liberals everywhere. Profiling would be only one of the tools used to protect against terrorism. Also the comment that in the US the Muslims lead and are front and center in the protests against Jihadists!!! WTF!! I have yet to see 1, thats right 1, count'em one! protest by american muslims against any Islamic terrrorist group....so his comment is a lie, pure and simple, and from that point on the rest of what he has to say is suspect and BS.

[Kärnfysikern]

I found the article dangerous, and again spouting the political correctness that is soooo favored, gospel-like of the jerkknee liberals everywhere. Profiling would be only one of the tools used to protect against terrorism. Also the comment that in the US the Muslims lead and are front and center in the protests against Jihadists!!! WTF!! I have yet to see 1, thats right 1, count'em one! protest by american muslims against any Islamic terrrorist group....so his comment is a lie, pure and simple, and from that point on the rest of what he has to say is suspect and BS.

Or maby the media doesnt show those protest...I cant tell because I dont live there. I do know one thing though. The media loves to show arabs chanting death to the west, but any mention of arabs defending the west is in some small article at the end page of some small newspaper.

I dont se why they should demonstrate either. If a white guy robs a bank I dont go and demonstrate against all white bankrobbers, if a male hits his wife I dont go and demonstrate against all the violent abusive men in the world. Why do we expect arabs to do those things?

If I where a arab I would not demonstrate because I would expect that all sane people realise Im not one of those ****ers and there should be no need for me to openly state that I am not one of them.

You can only win the war on terror with the support of the muslims. If you alianate them the situation will become worse not better.

Whats the next step? Allowing unrestricted wiretaps of all arab americans because some of them are surely planning something? Controll all international bank transfers made by arabs?

Heck why not put them all in camps and that way be sure to have all potential terrorist locked up? I mean it is after all a perfectly logical next step to protect yourself.

Profiling seems to be a big overreaction to a in reality small problem.

[Phreak101]

Profiling seems to be a big overreaction to a in reality small problem.

Johan I respect your opinion more than most since you always make an attempt to be non biased, however terrorism to me does not seem like a small problem.

All the crimes you listed above are usually a single human harming another human, or maybe quite a few more (serial killers, serial pedophiles, etc.), however, I can't say that I know of anyone who has killed more American people per incident (number of deaths relative to number of people causing them) than Islamic terrorists.

I don't think profiling in general is correct, however if you are a 25 yr old Islamic male with a VISA in this country and you are trying to board a plane, sorry! You're bretheren have proven time and time again to be the source of fear for our country. If you are an American Islamic Arab that's been here for 25 years, I'm sure you're ok. But instituting small measures of profiling for the overall protection of the USA is something I would imagine everyone but young Islamic males, the exact group responsible for 99% of the attacks, would not mind....

[singern]

Or maby the media doesnt show those protest...I cant tell because I dont live there. I do know one thing though. The media loves to show arabs chanting death to the west, but any mention of arabs defending the west is in some small article at the end page of some small newspaper.

I dont se why they should demonstrate either. If a white guy robs a bank I dont go and demonstrate against all white bankrobbers, if a male hits his wife I dont go and demonstrate against all the violent abusive men in the world. Why do we expect arabs to do those things?

If I where a arab I would not demonstrate because I would expect that all sane people realise Im not one of those ****ers and there should be no need for me to openly state that I am not one of them.

You can only win the war on terror with the support of the muslims. If you alianate them the situation will become worse not better.

Whats the next step? Allowing unrestricted wiretaps of all arab americans because some of them are surely planning something? Controll all international bank transfers made by arabs?

Heck why not put them all in camps and that way be sure to have all potential terrorist locked up? I mean it is after all a perfectly logical next step to protect yourself.

Profiling seems to be a big overreaction to a in reality small problem.

Your argument is Mute, and Here exactly is the heart of the issue. You are confusing criminality with an Ideology. These are different on so many levels.
Our governments should be screening for the Ideology and not the nationality.
Do you think if a terrorist was asked at the border "did you pack your own bomb?" it would be considered offensive........

[Kärnfysikern]

Johan I respect your opinion more than most since you always make an attempt to be non biased, however terrorism to me does not seem like a small problem.

All the crimes you listed above are usually a single human harming another human, or maybe quite a few more (serial killers, serial pedophiles, etc.), however, I can't say that I know of anyone who has killed more American people per incident (number of deaths relative to number of people causing them) than Islamic terrorists.

I don't think profiling in general is correct, however if you are a 25 yr old Islamic male with a VISA in this country and you are trying to board a plane, sorry! You're bretheren have proven time and time again to be the source of fear for our country. If you are an American Islamic Arab that's been here for 25 years, I'm sure you're ok. But instituting small measures of profiling for the overall protection of the USA is something I would imagine everyone but young Islamic males, the exact group responsible for 99% of the attacks, would not mind....

Small in the sense that you are probably more likely to get killed by lightning than by a terrorist attack. Drunk driving is a problem that kills alot more people than terrorism. Not to mention cancer. One terror attack kills more people than a drunk driving accident yeah. But you probably have a million times as many drunk drivers..

I dont se the point in pouring tremendous amount of money into combating terrorism when the same amount of money can save alot more people if spent on some other thing. To me it seems like media spin and a convinient way for the goverment to focus on a small issue in order to avoid the important issues(environment, energy supply ect).

The profiling seems wierd aswell because of all the arabs in america how many are potential terrorists? a half of a tenth of a %? one %? 15 %? 0.00001%? Unless the number is fairly big it is pointless to me.

I think it will do alot more bad than good.

[Kärnfysikern]

Your argument is Mute, and Here exactly is the heart of the issue. You are confusing criminality with an Ideology. These are different on so many levels.
Our governments should be screening for the Ideology and not the nationality.
Do you think if a terrorist was asked at the border "did you pack your own bomb?" it would be considered offensive........

How do you screen for a ideology?

Criminality is criminality regardless of the purpose behind the crime. If someone kills for pleasure, kills for allah or kills for money it doesnt make the slightest difference to the people doing the dying.

I would be more worried about combating the robbers and thugs.