WTF? I think the end of civilization is near.

[Grappler13]

Scary article that sadly and correctly sums up some of the evils we now face from our foes and our ellite thinkers.

http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=25226

[Kärnfysikern]

I guess since I live in sweden I would have heard about this rape epedemic but cant say I have...

Imigrants in general(including all imigrants, norweigans, finish, arabs, baltic states) are a bit overreprestented when it comes to violent crimes. But its not a big overrepresentation and the serial rapists that have made news in sweden have all been swedish white males.

[Kärnfysikern]

I would assume most of the stuff the quran has to say about women is the same as the bible has to say about women aswell...

[Teabagger]

I would assume most of the stuff the quran has to say about women is the same as the bible has to say about women aswell...

Your assumption would be wrong.

[Teabagger]

I guess since I live in sweden I would have heard about this rape epedemic but cant say I have...

Imigrants in general(including all imigrants, norweigans, finish, arabs, baltic states) are a bit overreprestented when it comes to violent crimes. But its not a big overrepresentation and the serial rapists that have made news in sweden have all been swedish white males.

Head in the sand response....wouldn't expect anything less from an S-P (secular-progressive)

[RA]

I would assume most of the stuff the quran has to say about women is the same as the bible has to say about women aswell...

Ridiculous

[Prada]

"Dr. Glazov is also a vehement critic of Islam, attempting to draw a connection between Islamist terrorism on the one hand, and Islam's strict sexual morality and cultural practices common in Muslim societies such as female genital mutilation on the other."

I find it laughable, I have mingled with a few muslims and none of them decapitated me nor blew up. None raped my date and are/were quite civilized.
Some US and Russian soldiers were found to have gang raped women in Iraq, Vietnam, Kosovo, et cetra. Oh those damed Catholics we art. If I take a sample of the rapes occured by blacks which is not proportional to the parameters maybe that should be the evils we face?

Imigrants in general(including all imigrants, norweigans, finish, arabs, baltic states) are a bit overreprestented when it comes to violent crimes. But its not a big overrepresentation....

I think some tend to oversensationalize things.

The extremists I despise but many muslims I know are "normal" and just as pleasant as anyone else. How many muslims are in the US? With this "exteremist" idealogy by a few, there should be terrorist attack every few hours in the US. Dont be a victim of the media

Judge not, lest ye be judged

[Kärnfysikern]

Head in the sand response....wouldn't expect anything less from an S-P (secular-progressive)

If it was a true epedemic it would be reported. I am stating that the serial rapists in sweden that are notorious are white swedish men. So in what way am I sticking my head in the sand? Is it you or me that live in sweden and watch swedish news each and every day??

I have never even heard of a imigrant serial rapist. But there are plenty of swedish serial rapists.
Neither have I heard of any grusome rape where a mark is cut in the face like that article describes. Such violent crimes are fairly rare so they get headlines if it happens.

The only crime I have heard about in sweden unique to muslims are "pride" murders. Where the family murder its daughter if they lose there virginity before maridge.

What the hell is a progressive??

Your assumption would be wrong.

Lets just say I dont expect much from a book that dictates that sabbath breakers, homosexuals ect should be put to death. christianity has been used to supress women through out times just as islam is now.

People that use the quran to justify rape would rape even if they where not muslim because they are ****ed in the head. So I think its rather silly to blame islam.

I dont blame christianity when those white swedish serial rapists do there shit. A criminial is a criminal regardless of religion.

Ridiculous

How so? There is lots of vile things in the bible. The quran more or less sounds like a copy of the bible with some added shit to it.
Lets se if tock has any examples he can show if he spots this thread.

[Kärnfysikern]

I find it laughable, I have mingled with a few muslims and none of them decapitated me nor blew up. None raped my date and are/were quite civilized.

Maby we should start to bring a jar of vaseline with us when we walk around. Maby those beastly muslims will start to gang rape us aswell. Better be prepared.

Some US and Russian soldiers were found to have gang raped women in Iraq, Vietnam, Kosovo, et cetra. Oh those damed Catholics we art. If I take a sample of the rapes occured by blacks which is not proportional to the parameters maybe that should be the evils we face?

Russians and imigrants those from the former baltic states are from what I have heard and seen much worse than the arab imigrants in sweden. So yeah those ****ing christian russians. Damn them.

I think some tend to oversensationalize things.

The extremists I despise but many muslims I know are "normal" and just as pleasant as anyone else. How many muslims are in the US? With this "exteremist" idealogy by a few, there should be terrorist attack every few hours in the US. Dont be a victim of the media

Judge not, lest ye be judged

Arabs have more or less monopoly on the pizza joints and kiosks in sweden. I guess I have to arm myself before I buy another pizza or buy some candy...

That article in the original post sound just like the bullshit a growing racist party in sweden is spreading. Everything would be so nice if there where no imigrants. As a matter of fact crime didnt even exist in the nordic countries before imigration

[RA]

Johan do you see any Christian women running around with veils on? Do you see any Christian rape gangs?

Makes me sick when people draw comparisons.

[Kärnfysikern]

Johan do you see any Christian women running around with veils on? Do you see any Christian rape gangs?

Makes me sick when people draw comparisons.

Well I usualy dont ask what religion white gang rapers are. I usualy dont even care what religion a rapist are because they are pieces of shit either way. But isnt the majority of americans christians? How many rapes happen yearly in america?

How many rapes happen in italy where most are catholics?

If I dont remember wrong zoaib showed some verses from the bible that is almost identical to the quran verses about veils.

Where not women during the dark ages forced to cover themself in europe?

Its not the religion that is at fault, its the ****ing puppets following the things in the holy books that any sane man would ignore.

I think its silly to even mention religion in this context. Unless someone can show that the % of rapist in a muslim country is higher than the % of rapists in another equaly shitty but non muslim third world country Il call bullshit on this.

[Kärnfysikern]

The nazis soldiers comiting crimes during ww2 where mostly christian. Those damn german christian beasts raping inocent russian atheists. Damn them. Damn them to hell.

There where rapes during the vietnam war. Damn those bloodthirsty american christian pigs that violate themself on innocent buddhist women. Damn them to hell.

The pagan vikings raped alot of french and english women. Damn those pagan vikings damn them to hell.

[Teabagger]

The article was not talking about serial rapists...it was talking about the rape of women that defied certain tenents of Islam. There is a difference. And just because it is not reported in your country means it doesn't happen?? Do you think by chance an editor chooses not to publish or air a piece of news only becaues it is not "newsworthy"..c'mon. There were ref. in an earlier post that tries to "justify" the actions of Muslims, because an infintesimal number of "christians" do the same thing...wrong again. The women raped by the muslims were raped as punishment for disobey a dress code set down by Islam. The rapes committed by soliders were rapes to get revenge for the killing of their comrades in arms, or because they are sick and like it...there were not christian ministers or Catholic priests calling for the rape of women for lets say...not going to church.

Lets stay on point here.........this has NOTHING to do with christianity and EVERYTHING to do with Islam, its teachings, it clerics and it followers. And just because someone knows a "few muslims" that are normal does not qualify them to make the sweeping generalizations that are only so much S-P dribble.

[RA]

Well I usualy dont ask what religion white gang rapers are. I usualy dont even care what religion a rapist are because they are pieces of shit either way. But isnt the majority of americans christians? How many rapes happen yearly in america?

How many rapes happen in italy where most are catholics?

If I dont remember wrong zoaib showed some verses from the bible that is almost identical to the quran verses about veils.

Where not women during the dark ages forced to cover themself in europe?

Its not the religion that is at fault, its the ****ing puppets following the things in the holy books that any sane man would ignore.

I think its silly to even mention religion in this context. Unless someone can show that the % of rapist in a muslim country is higher than the % of rapists in another equaly shitty but non muslim third world country Il call bullshit on this.

So you have heard of Christian rape gangs raping people becuase they dont wear veils? Or they arent conforming to Christianity in some way?

[Kärnfysikern]

The article was not talking about serial rapists...it was talking about the rape of women that defied certain tenents of Islam. There is a difference. And just because it is not reported in your country means it doesn't happen?? Do you think by chance an editor chooses not to publish or air a piece of news only becaues it is not "newsworthy"..c'mon. There were ref. in an earlier post that tries to "justify" the actions of Muslims, because an infintesimal number of "christians" do the same thing...wrong again. The women raped by the muslims were raped as punishment for disobey a dress code set down by Islam. The rapes committed by soliders were rapes to get revenge for the killing of their comrades in arms, or because they are sick and like it...there were not christian ministers or Catholic priests calling for the rape of women for lets say...not going to church.

Lets stay on point here.........this has NOTHING to do with christianity and EVERYTHING to do with Islam, its teachings, it clerics and it followers. And just because someone knows a "few muslims" that are normal does not qualify them to make the sweeping generalizations that are only so much S-P dribble.

Yes offcourse it is a muslim thing. There is 1,2 billion muslims on this planet and you surely must sit on conclusive statistics that clearly show they are more prone to rape.

its not a religious thing, christians used to be just as ****ed up. Didnt christians burn "witches", didnt the catholic church kill scientists?

The only difference betwen christianity and islam is that christian societies has evolved enough to realise that shit is ****ed up. Its not that christianity is any better.

[Kärnfysikern]

So you have heard of Christian rape gangs raping people becuase they dont wear veils? Or they arent conforming to Christianity in some way?

No but I have not heard of any muslim raping a swedish woman because she didnt wear a veil. Thats my whole point. That article in no way reflect whats happening in the nordic countries.
This is all just bullshit.

1 out of every 9 people in sweden is a imigrant. A majority of those muslims. If muslims where bloodthirsty rapists it would surely be obvious by now.

[Prada]

Maby we should start to bring a jar of vaseline with us when we walk around. Maby those beastly muslims will start to gang rape us aswell. Better be prepared.

Dont forget to bend over and spread your cheeks, resistance in futile. Itll be less painfull if you comply.

Russians and imigrants those from the former baltic states are from what I have heard and seen much worse than the arab imigrants in sweden. So yeah those ****ing christian russians. Damn them.

Arabs have more or less monopoly on the pizza joints and kiosks in sweden. I guess I have to arm myself before I buy another pizza or buy some candy...

Same here,
Seriously they are funny people.

Be vigilant some Shish Taouks contain grenades and traces of explosive material.

That article in the original post sound just like the bullshit a growing racist party in sweden is spreading. Everything would be so nice if there where no imigrants. As a matter of fact crime didnt even exist in the nordic countries before imigration [/QUOTE]

Johan if your puposes is to spread hate and your idealogy, just like Hitler did with the Jews, then unfortnately there are so many gullible people in society that will follow you and you will succeed. That in itself is as potent and a menace to society as these fundamentalist. What is sad is that many of these impoverished terrorists had little or no education, yet many of these western right wing hawks are very well educated and are still very naive and extrermly ignorant. Many have never left their state.

[Kärnfysikern]

I brought christianity into this to show how ****ing silly it is to paint muslims as rapists.

A rapist is a rapist is a rapist. Doesnt matter what ****ing religion or color he is. He is just a ****ing scum that should be castrated and choked slowely.

[Prada]

He is just a ****ing scum that should be castrated and choked slowely.

OMG! You must be muslim to commit such a henous crime, this hidious and dispicable act.
Reveal yourself. Jo-abu-Han

[Teabagger]

Dont forget to bend over and spread your cheeks, resistance in futile. Itll be less painfull if you comply.








Same here,
Seriously they are funny people.

Be vigilant some Shish Taouks contain grenades and traces of explosive material.

That article in the original post sound just like the bullshit a growing racist party in sweden is spreading. Everything would be so nice if there where no imigrants. As a matter of fact crime didnt even exist in the nordic countries before imigration

Johan if your puposes is to spread hate and your idealogy, just like Hitler did with the Jews, then unfortnately there are so many gullible people in society that will follow you and you will succeed. That in itself is as potent and a menace to society as these fundamentalist. What is sad is that many of these impoverished terrorists had little or no education, yet many of these western right wing hawks are very well educated and are still very naive and extrermly ignorant. Many have never left their state.[/QUOTE]

Sounds as if you're speaking from personal experience regarding the spreading of the cheeks and greasing it up real good....hmmm....

[biglouie250]

send a message to them then. in the same way hate crimes are treated with greater severity, if you do shit like this becuase of your religion you should get more time. capital punishment for those ****ers.

[Grappler13]

Johan do you see any Christian women running around with veils on? Do you see any Christian rape gangs?

Makes me sick when people draw comparisons.

I wouldn't call my French friends Christian as the whole country seems to have cast its Catholic roots aside although I know of whole towns in France that are under de-facto Sharia law and there, the women, regardless of their "religion" are weiring veils to protect themselves lest they accidentally seduce their muslim neighbors. Christian rape gangs? Doesn't seem to be a phenomenon that I've heard of.

Islam is not a peacable religion, rather it is organic in nature and allows no room for equal footing of other religions whithin its sphere of influence. Islam will prove itself an enemy to world freedom, unless that freedom is Islam. I for one, will not be a dhimmi. I'd rather die.

[alphaman]

This thread is crazy. I wonder how realistic the article is. The site doesn't look very reliable. Maybe we should look elsewhere for evidence of this. The sheik in Australia -- did he say that in response to one of these incidents?

Johan-

You said many stupid things to make your point. You point would have been better served by just stating it. Sorry.

The problem with comparing Christians and Muslims here is that a person who is a devout Christian and follows the Scriptures would never do something like this. Islam is a different story.

We're not talking about the actions of man -- men are naturally depraved -- we're talking about what is condoned by organizations that claim to have revelatioin from God.

[Logan13]

I would assume most of the stuff the quran has to say about women is the same as the bible has to say about women aswell...

Why? Because the Quaran copied much of its text body and ideas from pre-existing religions?

[Logan13]

I wouldn't call my French friends Christian as the whole country seems to have cast its Catholic roots aside although I know of whole towns in France that are under de-facto Sharia law and there, the women, regardless of their "religion" are weiring veils to protect themselves lest they accidentally seduce their muslim neighbors. Christian rape gangs? Doesn't seem to be a phenomenon that I've heard of.

Islam is not a peacable religion, rather it is organic in nature and allows no room for equal footing of other religions whithin its sphere of influence. Islam will prove itself an enemy to world freedom, unless that freedom is Islam. I for one, will not be a dhimmi. I'd rather die.

Damn! Couldn't have stated that better myself, thank you.

[alphaman]

France:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in617270.shtml

This story came from a Ausralian newspaper, and it talks about how there is a cover-up of such rapes:

http://www.seanbryson.com/articles/a...ist_rapes.html

Here is that story on wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_gang_rapes

Don't know how reliable this source is, but here's one about Norway:

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/20...-covering.html

[Conan the Librarian]

Being weak and PC so you dont feal like anyone would judge you for being prejudiced is some pus*y shit. Everyone knows American muslims (usually) dont go around cutting our heads off and blowing themselves up. But the ignorance is so deep and inpenetrable over in THEIR country, that it will never change, and its spreading. Those people are the missing link.
1. Their men largely believe that its cool to rape a girl and then blame it on her.
2. They believe anyone not in agreement with them %1000 should die.
3. in general, anything you do to piss them off, they will refer to #1 and #2, and pretend you have offended them and they rape kill you. Like the cops in Mexico. Death for dancing, Saddams kids selecting wedding night rape victims that commit suicide, village rape, Christian persectuions. EVERYONE KNOWS THIS. Oh, I LIVE with a muslim!!!!!!

My sister #3 prostitue in all of Khadzakstan!!!!!

[Kärnfysikern]

Johan-

You said many stupid things to make your point. You point would have been better served by just stating it. Sorry.

The problem with comparing Christians and Muslims here is that a person who is a devout Christian and follows the Scriptures would never do something like this. Islam is a different story.

We're not talking about the actions of man -- men are naturally depraved -- we're talking about what is condoned by organizations that claim to have revelatioin from God.

The thing I bolded is...well a very bold claim. I would consider Zoaib a devout muslim and I cant imagine him running around raping women, neither would I imagine causasian doing such a thing.

Should not a devoute christian do the things the bible state, like kill sabbat breakers and all those other finer things that seems to be conviniently overlooked

You know the bible 1000 times better than me since I have never read it but to me it seems like christianity and islam preach basicly the same thing. Its just that christians have stopped caring about the more barbaric sections of the bible.

Why? Because the Quaran copied much of its text body and ideas from pre-existing religions?

Yeah thats what I was thinking.

[Ufa]

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[Kärnfysikern]

France:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in617270.shtml

This story came from a Ausralian newspaper, and it talks about how there is a cover-up of such rapes:

http://www.seanbryson.com/articles/a...ist_rapes.html

Here is that story on wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_gang_rapes

Don't know how reliable this source is, but here's one about Norway:

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/20...-covering.html

Let me put it like this

Muslims in the middle east seems to be doing the exact same thing as christians did a couple of hundrad years ago in europe. So I would not say its a fault with islam today anymore than it was a fault with christianity a couple of hundrad years ago.

I think we both can agree that the basic religions hasnt changed, neither has the bible. So why doesnt christians today behave as those that burned witches a couple of hundrad years ago?

Its not a issue with islam in my eyes, its mostly a issue of lack of education that allows people to be brainwashed by people twisting islam, just in the same manner as the pope and his cronies used to do back when they executed scientists and burned witches. Trying to pin it as a issue with Islam only takes the focus away from the real issue.

[Ufa]

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[Kärnfysikern]

France:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in617270.shtml

The ghetto problem described there is present in sweden aswell but not nearly as bad(my sister lived in one of the worse ghettos for several years).

The solution is simple, break them up. Make sure there is a more even distribution of people so we dont get a conglomerat of arab imigrants that hardly speak the language.

It doesnt matter if its russians, arabs, asians or whatever, if you bunch them togheter, if segregation is allowed to happen, they wont integrate into society and will resort to crime.

Its a failure of european imigration policy. Imigration needs to be cut down and the issues taken seriously now while there is still a chanse.

Offcourse our politicians are completely blind to this or to scared to be labeled racist that they dont even voice any solution to the problem. If you ask a swedish politician what they think of imigration they say "sure lets increase it". If you ask them on how to solve the current problem they just give some bullshit answere.

[alphaman]

The thing I bolded is...well a very bold claim. I would consider Zoaib a devout muslim and I cant imagine him running around raping women, neither would I imagine causasian doing such a thing.

It's all about following what's in the Scriptures. It's clear from reading the Qur'an and the Hadith that Islam is a violent religion. The problem is that there are these liberal "Muslims" running around that want to secularize the religion that make it unclear to the general public as to what it really is! I wish Caus were here because I don't think he'd be saying what you think he would. It's really funny to me because any time the media wants to label someone as a "fundamentalist", it usually just means that person is the real deal. So-called Christian "fundamentalists" are usually true Christians. Just because you were brought up in Western Civilization and you go to church on Christmas and Easter doesn't make you a Christ follower. I believe the same goes for Islam, the ones who are radical "fundamentalists" are Muslims who actually adhere to the true doctrines and laws of Islam.

Should not a devoute christian do the things the bible state, like kill sabbat breakers and all those other finer things that seems to be conviniently overlooked

Mkay. Show me where it says that.

You know the bible 1000 times better than me since I have never read it but to me it seems like Christianity and islam preach basicly the same thing. Its just that christians have stopped caring about the more barbaric sections of the bible.

Well let's examine that. Don't just settle the matter in your mind with a post-modern statement of understanding. (They always start with, "Well, to me.....")

Would you like to take some time to back your statement up with facts? Not historical facts about what people have done "in the name of Christianity". But something in the Bible that would make me think as a Christian that I should rape a woman under any circumstances or burn a witch or (fill in the blank).



[/QUOTE]

[Kärnfysikern]

It's all about following what's in the Scriptures. It's clear from reading the Qur'an and the Hadith that Islam is a violent religion. The problem is that there are these liberals running around that want to secularize the religion that make it unclear to the general public as to what it really is! I wish Caus were here because I don't think he'd be saying what you think he would. It's really funny to me because any time the media wants to label someone as a "fundamentalist", it usually just means that person is the real deal. So-called Christian "fundamentalists" are usually true Christians. Just because you were brought up in Western Civilization and you go to church on Christmas and Easter doesn't make you a Christ follower. I believe the same goes for Islam, the ones who are radical "fundamentalists" are Muslims who actually adhere to the true doctrines and laws of Islam.

I dont think caus would say that women that doesnt dress properly is fair game for rapists....

Mkay. Show me where it says that.

Sure thing

This is taken from a post by tock
http://forums.steroid.com/showpost.p...8&postcount=13

1) Not observing the Sabbath is one of Commandments, and Sabbath-breakers are supposed to be put to death (Exodus 35:02)
2) Not worshipping other gods is one of the Commandments, and those who do so are supposed to be put to death (Exodus 22:20)
3) Not committing adultery is one of the Commandments, and those who do are supposed to be put to death (Lev. 20:10)

I did a search on those now and found this
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...:02&version=31

Exodus 35:02 (New International Version)
For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death.

Exodus 22:20 (New International Version)
Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the LORD must be destroyed.

Leviticus 20:10 (New International Version)
'If a man commits adultery with another man's wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.

Obviously christians doesnt run around and follow those verses, but should not a 100% devoute christian do so? Its hard to interpret it in any other way.

Well let's examine that. Don't just settle the matter in your mind with a post-modern statement of understanding. (They always start with, "Well, to me.....")

Dont have time or patience to read both the quran or the bible, or neither one for that matter

Would you like to take some time to back your statement up with facts? Not historical facts about what people have done "in the name of Christianity". But something in the Bible that would make me think as a Christian that I should rape a woman under any circumstances or burn a witch or (fill in the blank).

I seem to remember some verse refering to killing people using witchcraft that tock has posted

About rape I have no clue, but is there any verse in the quran that specificly dictates a women should be raped if she doesnt cover up? If there is I wouldnt be suprised, if there isnt Im not that suprised either.

Doesnt some biblical verses say that women should cover up btw?

[alphaman]

Let me put it like this

Muslims in the middle east seems to be doing the exact same thing as christians did a couple of hundrad years ago in europe. So I would not say its a fault with islam today anymore than it was a fault with christianity a couple of hundrad years ago.

Haven't we addressed this before? Those things were done by people who claimed to be Christians. Men are of a depraved nature. You can't blame a the religion on acts that were committed by people. There has only been one persoin who was perfect in their Christian walk -- Jesus. Show me where Jesus ever did anything like this or even suggested that anyone do these things.

Now ask me to show you where Muhammad did these things or suggested that others do them.........

I think we both can agree that the basic religions hasnt changed, neither has the bible. So why doesnt christians today behave as those that burned witches a couple of hundrad years ago?

No I do not agree with that. The only similarity between the two is that you submit your will to God. The problem is that Islam has a twisted idea of who God is -- and that messes EVERYTHING else up.

Its not a issue with islam in my eyes, its mostly a issue of lack of education that allows people to be brainwashed by people twisting islam,

Lack of education? I could agree with this but not in the way that you mean. As far as secular ed goes, people around the world are more educated now than ever. Is the world a better place? Are the kids growing up today more sensible that you were? I was about the worst kid around and I can tell you that it's worse today.

just in the same manner as the pope and his cronies used to do back when they executed scientists and burned witches. Trying to pin it as a issue with Islam only takes the focus away from the real issue.

First -- Roman Catholiscm is not Chrstianity imo. Second -- it's not the same. The world has never faced a threat such as the one we are discussing.

[Kärnfysikern]

Haven't we addressed this before? Those things were done by people who claimed to be Christians. Men are of a depraved nature. You can't blame a the religion on acts that were committed by people. There has only been one persoin who was perfect in their Christian walk -- Jesus. Show me where Jesus ever did anything like this or even suggested that anyone do these things.

Now ask me to show you where Muhammad did these things or suggested that others do them.........

Nah jesus seems to be a ok bloke cant argue with that. Most of my grips are with the old testament.

But the things done today are done by people that claim they are muslims. If you asked a christian witch burner 500 years ago if he is a devoute christians my bet is he would say yes and call you a pagan for not throwing torches.

So if I cant blame christianity, why can you blame islam?

No I do not agree with that. The only similarity between the two is that you submit your will to God. The problem is that Islam has a twisted idea of who God is -- and that messes EVERYTHING else up.

I kind of meant that christianity today is the same as 500 years ago and islam today is the same as 500 years ago. Yet back in the dark ages it was Islam and the muslim world that was the center of development and civilisation while we christian europeans where nutty as hell. Islam and christianity has stayed the same but the roles have been reversed. So religion doesnt seem to be the number one cause.

Lack of education? I could agree with this but not in the way that you mean. As far as secular ed goes, people around the world are more educated now than ever. Is the world a better place? Are the kids growing up today more sensible that you were? I was about the worst kid around and I can tell you that it's worse today.

is the world a better place?? Well yes, look at europe.
In the begining of the 20th century europe was one of the most war torn regions of the world. We killed and maimed eachother like no others. Things have sure turned better during the last 60 years.

The problem is that kids today dont pay any value to knoweledge and education, they dont dream of becoming scientists, astronauts, firefighters ect like before. They want to be gangsta rappers or idol winners. Thats the reason kids today are stupid, they have acces to all the education in the world, but they choose to decline the offer and indulge in purely materalistic pursuits instead.

But as a whole education brought europe from the dark ages into the enlightment, into the industrial revolution and into today. Today the idea of a war betwen european states are so far fetched that its unbelivable and our crime rates is lowest in the world. Secular education has been a remarkable succes story in europe.

First -- Roman Catholiscm is not Chrstianity imo. Second -- it's not the same. The world has never faced a threat such as the one we are discussing.

Well I would say the soviet empire armed with 20 000 warheads was a much much worse threat than a wierdo in Iran with a big mouth. During the entire cold war humanity was constantly one misstake away from beeing destroyed and during many of those misstakes the sanity of the people saved us. We almost got into full blown nuclear wars by faulty equipment a few times. So nothing today compare to that.

Hitler in charge of the german war machine was surely a much bigger threat than anything we face today aswell.

The arabic world is primitive, no widespread high level education, no technology, no scientists to speak of. They lack everything that made soviet and germany dangerous. They pose no real threat to america or europe. The worst case scenario is that they manage to take out one major euro or american city and that will only result in the complete annihilation of the entire middle east. We are not anywhere near world destruction because of the fanatic islamists.