Russia selling missiles to Iran

[ecivon]

RUSSIA has begun deliveries of the Tor-M1 air defence rocket system to Iran, Russian news agencies quoted military industry sources as saying, in the latest sign of a Russian-US rift over Iran.

http://www.news.com.au/sundayheralds...005961,00.html

[Terinox]

Well it's not the 1980's anymore, when our good friends the Americans were selling it to us. Now they gotta get it from somewhere else, if the U.S. is gonna be greedy and only sell to the Jews.

[biglouie250]

sexy time!

[3Vandoo]

cool, they are buying ladas

[J.S.N.]

good, now they can better protect themselves from israel in a worst case scenario.

[Iron-man]

cool, they are buying ladas

They are all over Jamaica, saw then on vac once. They say LADA stands for Like And Death Association, meaning they are so poorly built, the front end can just break & you can die. Ugly as hell too!!!!
Most everything the ruskies have built are substandard..nuclear power plants, submarines, and probably air defence rocket systems too. But if that the best available (since we won't sell them ours) then they will have to go with it.

[eliteforce]

They have also sold them the 'sunburn' anti-ship missile, some of the other Soviet era stuff was sub-standard but the Russians have always been #1 in rocketry, if I was gonna go into space, i think i'd rather take the soyuz than the shuttle.

[Kärnfysikern]

Most everything the ruskies have built are substandard..nuclear power plants, submarines, and probably air defence rocket systems too. But if that the best available (since we won't sell them ours) then they will have to go with it.

That isnt quite true. Russian rockets are the best and most reliable in the world for instance. Russia is still running shitty old nuclear power plants true. So are the rest of europe and america aswell(except maby finland and france). But russia are about to start building next generation reactors that are as good as the best reactors in any other country. That will put them ahead of most european countries and ahead of america in reactor technology.

In most areas russia has focused on they have developed extremely good technology. But they dont have the cash to mass produce the technology.

[Kärnfysikern]

They have also sold them the 'sunburn' anti-ship missile, some of the other Soviet era stuff was sub-standard but the Russians have always been #1 in rocketry, if I was gonna go into space, i think i'd rather take the soyuz than the shuttle.

Your not alone on that, thats for sure

[Logan13]

That isnt quite true. Russian rockets are the best and most reliable in the world for instance. Russia is still running shitty old nuclear power plants true. So are the rest of europe and america aswell(except maby finland and france). But russia are about to start building next generation reactors that are as good as the best reactors in any other country. That will put them ahead of most european countries and ahead of america in reactor technology.

In most areas russia has focused on they have developed extremely good technology. But they dont have the cash to mass produce the technology.

Russia needs to sell anything that they can, with the poverty rate what it is over there I do not blame them. But that does not mean that they will not be held responsible in the future.....Russia's rockets at one point had a 98% success rate with their launchings, but in the mid-90's they suffered quite a few rocket explosions. This was probably because of the lack of funding for the program, though. Hezbollah was using Russian made rocket launchers to fire into Israel this past summer.

[Logan13]

Well it's not the 1980's anymore, when our good friends the Americans were selling it to us. Now they gotta get it from somewhere else, if the U.S. is gonna be greedy and only sell to the Jews.

It's not the 1980's anymore, but Iran is still a big supporter of radical Islam. Some things change, some do not........

[Kärnfysikern]

Russia needs to sell anything that they can, with the poverty rate what it is over there I do not blame them. But that does not mean that they will not be held responsible in the future.....Russia's rockets at one point had a 98% success rate with their launchings, but in the mid-90's they suffered quite a few rocket explosions. This was probably because of the lack of funding for the program, though. Hezbollah was using Russian made rocket launchers to fire into Israel this past summer.

I guess held responsible by who? All the major arms dealing countries are equaly corrupt. Is russia selling arms to hizbollah now any worse than america selling arms to sadam in the 80's or whatever? Or france selling weapons to everyone.

Or for that matter sweden selling loads(loads by swedish standards atleast) of weapons to america despite open objection to the Iraq war.

Money rules and no country has the moral high ground in arms sales....

I realy hope russias space program will get a uppgrade soon. They talk and talk and talk about what they want to do and what they plan to do but they aint doing shit. ESA should cooperate more closely with them. We(as in europe) have the money, they have the technology and experience.

[3Vandoo]

Russia sell poorly second rated materials, not their first class equipement, like the US do.

People buy russian because it is cheap and they cannot afford western arms systems, or are not allowed!

So, they cannot buy a BMW X5, so they end up with a Kia Sportage!

[Logan13]

I guess held responsible by who? All the major arms dealing countries are equaly corrupt. Is russia selling arms to hizbollah now any worse than america selling arms to sadam in the 80's or whatever? Or france selling weapons to everyone.

Or for that matter sweden selling loads(loads by swedish standards atleast) of weapons to america despite open objection to the Iraq war.

Money rules and no country has the moral high ground in arms sales....

I realy hope russias space program will get a uppgrade soon. They talk and talk and talk about what they want to do and what they plan to do but they aint doing shit. ESA should cooperate more closely with them. We(as in europe) have the money, they have the technology and experience.

Why do you always try to equate everything with the US? If it does not concern you that Russia is now closer to Communism than they are Democracy than I just do not know what to tell you. If the Russia Space Program could get into high gear, it would really spur other nations(including the US) to get off their ass and do the same. I read today that the US wants to send another person to the moon by 2020, for what reason I do not know..........

[Logan13]

NASA Says It Will Set Up Polar Moon Camp
Dec 04

By SETH BORENSTEIN
AP Science Writer

NASA announced Monday it will establish an international base camp on one of the moon's poles, permanently staffing it by 2024, four years after astronauts return to the moon.
It is a sweeping departure from the Apollo moon missions of the 1960s and represents a new phase of space exploration after space shuttles are retired in 2010.

After consulting more than 1,000 experts from 14 different countries, NASA decided on what deputy NASA chief Shana Dale called a "fundamental lunar approach" that is sharply different from its previous moon missions in nearly everything but the shape of the ship going there.

NASA chose a "lunar outpost" over the short expeditions of the '60s. Apollo flights were all around the center of the moon, but NASA decided to go to the moon's poles because they are best for longer- term settlements. And this time NASA is welcoming other nations on its journey.

The more likely of the two lunar destinations is the moon's south pole because it's sunlit for three-quarters of the time, making solar power easier, and has possible resources to mine in dark areas nearby, said associate deputy administrator Doug Cooke.

To get to the moon, NASA envisions an all-purpose lunar lander that could touch down anywhere and can be the first part of a base camp, said exploration chief Scott Horowitz.

"The nickname I use for the lander is, it's a pickup truck," Horowitz said in a Monday news conference from Houston. "You can put whatever you want in the back. You can take it to wherever you want. So you can deliver cargo, crew, do it robotically, do it with humans on board. These are the types of things we're looking for in this system."

In the wake of the space shuttle Columbia accident, President Bush announced in 2004 a plan to return astronauts to the moon by 2020. His plan would take 16 years, twice as long as NASA's first trip to the moon took in planning. NASA has refused to estimate a price tag for the project.

[Kärnfysikern]

Why do you always try to equate everything with the US? If it does not concern you that Russia is now closer to Communism than they are Democracy than I just do not know what to tell you. If the Russia Space Program could get into high gear, it would really spur other nations(including the US) to get off their ass and do the same. I read today that the US wants to send another person to the moon by 2020, for what reason I do not know..........

I guess because you try to say russia will be held accountable for something your country, and mine, is doing aswell. its even worse when sweden and the states does it because we can afford not to sell arms to everyone while russia needs it because as far as I know its there second largest export buisness after oil and gas.

Sure it concerns me. I have split feelings about Putin. On one hand he is turning russia into a dictatorship, on the other he has salvaged russia from bancrupcy and is now building up the economy and the country and has crushed the influence of the oligarch. Since he has the full support of the russian people I dont think things will change there very soon.

Whos worse, the oligarch or putin, I dont know.

The one big problem with the NASA plans for the moon and beyond is that bush forced nasa to can many science projects in order to fund the idea. I even think there was talks about canning the james webb telescope, the succesor to the hubble telescope. That would be a tremendous loss to science since the hubble has achieved more than just about any other science project in decades.
So many extremely important astrophysics projects have been canned, aswell as the icy moon orbiter that was suposed to look for life at europa. The astrophysics community in america is extremely upset.

I support manned exploration, I dont share the pessimism most scientist have that belive robots can get the job done.
I just wish it wouldnt be done with the money thats suposed to go to science.

Many space engineers feel that even with the money taken from the science projects the whole program is severly underfunded and lacks inovation, just reusing 60's technology. I hope they are wrong though cause I want to se a base on the moon god damn it! We should have had one 30 years ago Maby if russia and china gets serious with space nasa will get the money they need. Europe sure as hell wont do shit in space for a long time to come