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12-05-2006, 03:38 PM #1
Ahmadinejad Issues Warning on Sanctions
Ahmadinejad Issues Warning on Sanctions
Dec 05, 2006
AP
Iran's president warned Washington's European allies on Tuesday that Iran would reconsider its relations with them if they insist on punishing Tehran for its nuclear program, saying that would amount to an act of "hostility."
His comments came ahead of a meeting in Paris of diplomats from the United States, Britain, France, China, Russia, and Germany to discuss imposing penalties on Iran for refusing to stop uranium enrichment.
"I'm telling you in plain language that as of now on, if you try, whether in your propaganda or at international organizations, to take steps against the rights of the Iranian nation, the Iranian nation will consider it an act of hostility," President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said in a speech before thousands in northern Iran.
"And if you insist on pursuing this path," he continued, Iran "will reconsider its relations with you."
It was the first time that Ahmadinejad had threatened to downgrade relations with European nations, which are responsible of a large portion of Iran's international trade. It was not clear what steps Ahmadinejad had in mind. The president does not have the final word in Iran _ that lies with supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. When Ahmadinejad on one occasion was quoted as threatening to retaliate against the West by restricting oil sales, he was quickly countermanded.
Kristen Silverberg, the U.S. assistant secretary of state for international organization affairs, said Tuesday the Security Council should swiftly follow through on its earlier resolution demanding that Iran halt enrichment.
"It's now a matter of international law, binding international law, that Iran suspend its activities," Silverberg said in Berlin. "Iran has defied the international community in refusing to do so, and so we think it's important that we move this sanctions resolution as soon as possible.
The Security Council has been at odds over how to deal with Iran's defiance of the Aug. 31 U.N. deadline to halt uranium enrichment. Western powers accuse Iran of seeking nuclear bombs, while Tehran insists it only wants nuclear energy.
The Europeans and Americans want tough sanctions; Russia and China have pushed for dialogue, despite the failure of an EU effort to bring the Iranians to the negotiating table.
French Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy said Monday the six nations were nearing an agreement.
Iran says it is entitled as a signatory to the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty to enrich uranium for peaceful purposes. The U.N. nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency, has criticized Iran for concealing significant aspects of its nuclear work and says it has failed to answer all questions about its program.
Ahmadinejad, who was visiting Mazandaran province on the Caspian Sea, reiterated there would be no slowing of Iran's nuclear program.
"Thanks to the grace of God and (the Iranian people's) resistance, we are on the final stage of the path to the nuclear peak. Not more than one step is left to be taken. By the end of the year, we will organize a celebration across the country to mark the stabilization of our nuclear rights," he said, referring to the Iranian calendar year that ends March 20.
By "stabilization," Ahmadinejad appeared to mean that Iran has managed to enrich uranium on an industrial scale, a requirement for making sufficient fuel to power Iran's Russian-built reactor at Bushehr, which is due to go on line next year.
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12-05-2006, 04:32 PM #2
nuke him
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12-05-2006, 04:58 PM #3
The Iranian people better get that nut job out of office, before he hurts himself...
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12-06-2006, 12:55 PM #4
He is indeed a nut job, but he is a nut job with a A shitload of OIL, a powerful military, a Nuke in progress, and unbreakable ties to international terror groups.
Make no mistake, Take this Nut Job seriously.
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12-06-2006, 01:44 PM #5
what makes him a nutjob? not liking what someone is saying doesn't make them crazy.
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12-06-2006, 02:01 PM #6Originally Posted by mcpeepants
Well personally, between his beliefs that the Holocaust is a myth, to his constant ravings about wiping Israel away, I feel pretty confident in my assessment.
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12-06-2006, 03:27 PM #7
Its like the dog trying to walk the owner
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12-06-2006, 04:37 PM #8Originally Posted by mcpeepants
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12-06-2006, 07:22 PM #9Originally Posted by Bigen12
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12-06-2006, 08:23 PM #10Originally Posted by mcpeepants
I think you have chosen a side (which is your right to do so ) and you are defending that choice regardless of reality.
For me, when it comes to choosing sides, I go with the greater good. If its between brutal oppression and religious national control, VS liberty and democracy. I chose the latter. but thats just me...........
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12-07-2006, 03:26 AM #11Originally Posted by singern
I just don't want to see Iran get attacked. Demonizing Iran, like Iraq before, makes war easier to sell. I don't see the "liberty and democracy" we forced onto Iraq as a greater good. Let Iran transition towards democracy. Threatening Iran will only strengthening hardliners and make it easier to characterize reformers as foreign agents who support regime change. We can help promote the transition by restoring diplomatic and trade relations. This will produce more positive results than "democracy" at gunpoint will.
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12-07-2006, 06:20 AM #12Originally Posted by mcpeepants
Bro this guy's constant chest beating will eventually drag Iran into war for no good reason. I think that is reason enough to call him a nut job.
Originally Posted by mcpeepants
I hope as you, that the Iranian people will get him out of office before his words come to haunt his country.
You have a good day
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12-07-2006, 12:38 PM #13Originally Posted by Bigen12
Turkey is in constant denial Armenian denial about the armenian genocide. Unless Ahmadinejad is hiding something about his "mental illness" we should not be assuming his a nut job. Iran won't be dragged into war, it will be attacked, saying that is an attempt to lessen the guilt of the attackers. For all the demonizing about Saddam, he didn't attack us, we attacked him. Also, I here politicians and pundits talking about "surgical strikes" and potentially dropping nukes on Iran's nuclear plants, that language sounds more threatening than Ahmadinejad because the US govt can back up what it says and would face no retribution for it unlike Iran.
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12-07-2006, 01:20 PM #14Originally Posted by mcpeepants
Exactly!
Thats why it's nuts for him to be talking as he has in the past and as he continues to, he's fueling the fire.
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12-07-2006, 01:30 PM #15
the difference between crazy and genius is measured by success.
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12-07-2006, 03:12 PM #16Originally Posted by mcpeepants
What makes him a nutjob is ever since we went into Iraq his mouth has been supercharged with this crazy ass rhetoric. How exactly does he think he can push around the worlds lone super power? With what? His new shiney rock thrower 3000xl?
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12-07-2006, 06:14 PM #17Originally Posted by Bigen12
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12-07-2006, 06:20 PM #18Originally Posted by roidattack
Last edited by mcpeepants; 12-08-2006 at 10:51 AM.
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12-07-2006, 11:15 PM #19Originally Posted by Bigen12
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12-07-2006, 11:34 PM #20Originally Posted by mcpeepants
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12-08-2006, 12:03 AM #21Originally Posted by Logan13
Last edited by mcpeepants; 12-08-2006 at 12:07 AM.
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12-08-2006, 12:19 AM #22Originally Posted by mcpeepants
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12-08-2006, 12:27 AM #23Originally Posted by mcpeepants
Why have the Sunnis and Shiites been killing each other for all these years you ask?
The Sunni branch believes that the first four caliphs--Mohammed's successors--rightfully took his place as the leaders of Muslims. They recognize the heirs of the four caliphs as legitimate religious leaders. These heirs ruled continuously in the Arab world until the break-up of the Ottoman Empire following the end of the First World War.
Shiites, in contrast, believe that only the heirs of the fourth caliph, Ali, are the legitimate successors of Mohammed.
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12-08-2006, 05:43 AM #24Originally Posted by mcpeepants
Please provide a source, where Bush threatened Iran with nuclear strikes.
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12-08-2006, 05:50 AM #25Originally Posted by mcpeepants
I don’t think the US would invade Iran, we could in a matter of days, bomb Iran back to the stone age. I know that you know that, and Ahmadinejad knows that.
Originally Posted by mcpeepants
He did just enough, allowing inspections where there were nothing to be found, to prolong his regime that is all.
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12-08-2006, 07:46 AM #26Originally Posted by mcpeepants
True
Thats the point I was trying to make. You said the US might think again? Why exactly? Because hes so scary?
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12-08-2006, 10:47 AM #27Originally Posted by Logan13
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12-08-2006, 10:52 AM #28Originally Posted by Bigen12
For the story behind the story...
Saturday, April 8, 2006 11:13 p.m. EDT
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The Bush administration is planning to use nuclear weapons against Iran, to prevent it acquiring its own atomic warheads, according to a new report.
Longtime investigative reporter Seymour Hersh, who claims to have high-level Pentagon and intelligence contacts, said President Bush is said to be so alarmed by the threat of Iran's hard-line leader, Mahmoud Ahmedinejad, that privately he refers to him as "the new Hitler." Hersh, who broke the story of the Abu Ghraib Iraqi prisoner abuse scandal, makes his new claims in The New Yorker magazine, according to the London Telegraph. [Editor's Note: Will Iran launch a pre-emptive strike on the U.S. Find out about 'Avoiding Nuclear D-Day' in this special report -- Click Here Now.]
Some U.S. military chiefs have unsuccessfully urged the White House to drop the nuclear option from its war plans, Hersh writes in The New Yorker. The conviction that Ahmedinejad would attack Israel or U.S. forces in the Middle East, if Iran obtains atomic weapons, is what drives American planning for the destruction of Tehran's nuclear program.
Hersh claims that one of the plans, presented to the White House by the Pentagon, entails the use of a bunker-busting tactical nuclear weapon, such as the B61-11, against underground nuclear sites. One alleged target is Iran's main centrifuge plant, at Natanz, 200 miles south of Tehran.
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Although Iran claims that its nuclear program is peaceful, U.S. and European intelligence agencies are certain that Tehran is trying to develop atomic weapons. In contrast to the run-up to the Iraq invasion, there are no disagreements within Western intelligence about Iran's plans.
The Telegraph disclosed recently that senior Pentagon strategists are updating plans to strike Iran's nuclear sites with long-distance B2 bombers and submarine-launched missiles.
The military option is opposed by London and other European capitals. But there are growing fears that the British-led push for a diplomatic solution to the Iranian nuclear stand-off, will be swept aside by hawks in Washington. Hersh says that within the Bush administration, there are concerns that even a pummelling by conventional strikes, may not sufficiently damage Iran's buried nuclear plants.
Iran has been developing a series of bunkers and facilities to provide hidden command centers for its leaders and to protect its nuclear infrastructure, the Telegraph reports. The lack of reliable intelligence about these subterranean facilities is fueling pressure for tactical nuclear weapons to be included in the strike plans as the only guaranteed means to destroy all the sites simultaneously.
The attention given to the nuclear option has created serious misgivings among the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, and some officers have talked about resigning, Hersh has been told. The military chiefs sought to remove the nuclear option from the evolving war plans for Iran, without success, a former senior intelligence officer said.
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The Pentagon consultant on the war on terror confirmed that some in the administration were looking seriously at this option, which he linked to a resurgence of interest in tactical nuclear weapons among defence department political appointees.
The election of Ahmedinejad last year, has hardened attitudes within the Bush administration. The Iranian president has said that Israel should be "wiped off the map." He has drafted in former fellow Revolutionary Guards commanders to run the nuclear program, in further signs that he is preparing to back his threats with action.
Bush and others in the White House view him as a potential Adolf Hitler, a former senior intelligence official told Hersh. "That's the name they're using. They say, 'Will Iran get a strategic weapon and threaten another world war?'"
Despite America's public commitment to diplomacy, there is a growing belief in Washington that the only solution to the crisis is regime change. A senior Pentagon consultant said that Bush believes that he must do "what no Democrat or Republican, if elected in the future, would have the courage to do," and "that saving Iran is going to be his legacy."
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12-08-2006, 10:53 AM #29Originally Posted by roidattack
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12-08-2006, 11:07 AM #30Originally Posted by Bigen12
I wouldn't be so confident about US invading Iran even though the US is much stronger. The US unless the US goes all out in bombing, the air strikes will only have limited effects. The Iranian troops could just hunker down while it happening. Also, what do you think the Shia in Iraq would be doing while this is happening? They could ally with sunnis and declare all out war with the US. They could prevent the transfer of fuel and supply convoys to US troops. Also the Iranian army isn't as weak as the Iraqi army.
Saddam allowed pretty intensive sanctions and was still attack.
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12-08-2006, 11:53 AM #31Originally Posted by mcpeepants
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12-08-2006, 11:55 AM #32Originally Posted by mcpeepants
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12-08-2006, 12:00 PM #33Originally Posted by mcpeepants
This doesn't prove that Bush has threatened Iran with Nukes.
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12-08-2006, 12:04 PM #34Originally Posted by mcpeepants
Because they were scared shittless that they would be next. Now that the Iraq war has became political, Iran realizes that the US won't be attacking them anytime soon, so he runs his mouth.
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12-08-2006, 01:11 PM #35Originally Posted by Bigen12
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12-08-2006, 01:16 PM #36Originally Posted by Bigen12
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12-08-2006, 01:29 PM #37Originally Posted by Logan13
MATTHEWS: We‘re back with General Barry McCaffrey.
I have to ask you, General, about this story we just talked a moment ago. It‘s Seymour Hersh of “The New Yorker.” Without getting into all the details, do you think it is feasible for the United States to take out Iran‘s nuclear facilities such as they are?
MCCAFFREY: No, I think our rhetoric has been ill advised. The notion that we can use conventional air power to go after Iranian nuclear facilities is preposterous.
We probably know where three-fourths of them are. With a six-month air campaign, we could probably degrade or knock out half of them.
We‘d set the entire world against us and, oh, by the way, they close the Persian Gulf and try and close our lines of communication from Kuwait, up to 150,000 troops stuck in the middle of Iraq.
It is absolutely a senseless idea. We‘re not going to do it.
MATTHEWS: If we did so, maybe this is more of a technological question than a military one, what would stop the Iranians, with the wealth they have, from rebuilding everything we destroy, only this time with the entire world playing them as victim?
MCCAFFREY: Well, I don‘t think it would go that far. I mean, if we attack—if we took two carrier battle groups and ran a bunch of good, vigorous strikes against Iranian nuke facilities at Bushehr and places like that, we‘d have an immediate reaction.
They would close the Persian Gulf. The Navy would have to withdraw out to sea. They‘d go out 200-300 miles. You‘d see a huge insurgent effort against our 400 kilometer supply lines.
We‘d be in a crisis mode within a week of the first air strikes.
MATTHEWS: So they have retaliatory ability against us. It wouldn‘t just be a clean strike and walk away?
MCCAFFREY: Sure. My first platoon sergeant said, “Don‘t ever threaten people in public and, by the way, when you do it, make sure you can carry out your threat.”
We‘re threatening people in public and we can‘t carry out the threat.
MATTHEWS: Interesting. Thank you very much, General Barry McCaffrey.Last edited by mcpeepants; 12-08-2006 at 01:31 PM.
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12-08-2006, 01:51 PM #38Originally Posted by Logan13
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12-08-2006, 01:58 PM #39Originally Posted by Logan13
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Pakistan_relations
here's one from the Asia-Times
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/HA13Df03.html
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12-08-2006, 05:06 PM #40Originally Posted by mcpeepants
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