Islamic terror, Chemical Attack Against U.S

[singern]

Islamic Terror Group Posts Video Appearing to Show Chemical Rocket Attack Against U.S. Base in Iraq
Friday, January 12, 2007

A video was posted Thursday on the Web that graphically shows members of a well-known and highly organized Islamic insurgent group preparing and launching four rockets loaded with chemicals at a U.S. military base near Samarra, Iraq.

The video, which is posted on several Islamic Web sites, appears to show the attack being carried out by members of the self-proclaimed Salahaldin Al-Ayoubi Brigades, the military wing of Al Jabha Al-Islamiyya l'il-Muqawama Al-'Iraqiyya (JAMI), which has carried out numerous bombing and rocket attacks against U.S. military installations, including a mortar attack last October 10 that destroyed a major military ammunitions dump and lit up the sky on the outskirts of Baghdad.
The new video show members of the militant group wearing gas masks while filling the rockets with a black chemical. The rockets then are loaded into launchers, taken into the field and fired.


IMO:
These terrorists and other foreign fighters are the single most reason for unsuccessful stability in Iraq. Bush has it absolutely correct regarding the additional troops and firepower.
Wipe em out, clean em up, and get out.

[BITTAPART2]

LOL bush has always made the right decisions...............about his money
20k more troops arent going to wipe out sh1t bro. just more US casuallties IMO every terrorist that dies a new one is born, that is fact and since Bush 20policies more so now a new terrorist is born. this wont stop with 20k more troops in iraq

[Logan13]

LOL bush has always made the right decisions...............about his money
20k more troops arent going to wipe out sh1t bro. just more US casuallties IMO every terrorist that dies a new one is born, that is fact and since Bush 20policies more so now a new terrorist is born. this wont stop with 20k more troops in iraq

Then what are your sugestions?

[singern]

LOL bush has always made the right decisions...............about his money
20k more troops arent going to wipe out sh1t bro. just more US casuallties IMO every terrorist that dies a new one is born, that is fact and since Bush 20policies more so now a new terrorist is born. this wont stop with 20k more troops in iraq

Your opinion is valid, but I haven't heard a single constructive suggestion from the left, or any who oppose Bushes plan for that matter.
I hear allot of bashing, negative attitude, and even outright insulting ignorance but haven't heard any ideas to fix the problem at hand, not one. Other than the obviously unacceptable "pull out and go home"

[Kärnfysikern]

I dont think america can do it alone. I mean america certainly has the capability. But not the will.

So it seems Bush desperatly needs the world to help out. But how he would get for instance europe or russia to do that is beyond me. I guess that would be almost as hard as asking the jihadist to put down arms and instead hand out flowers to the coalition troops. The bush admin has been so busy insulting all its old allies that it will take some time to fix the relations.

I do not understand why europe doesnt play a more prominent role in training iraqi police and military. It would most defenetly be good for us. Its not like it would be expensive either. Probably stupid pride that stand in the way.

America seems ****ed if they stay or leave.

[x_moe]

if you guys dont mind me asking, for what purpose is the u.s army still in Iraq ?
they caught saddam and now he's dead, so wut am i missing here ?

[J.S.N.]

I do not understand why europe doesnt play a more prominent role in training iraqi police and military.

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there's some suggestion and evidence to back it up that alot of murders are being carried out by the police. it's kind of misleading to say that the iraqis need to start taking control of their country. they're in a civil war, and almost everyone is involved. it's already a shitstorm with hundreds of thousands dead, and how are you going to control them- violent oppression? well if that's the solution might as well let them fight it out (hey there' doing it anyways) and keep americans and allies from dying.

[eliteforce]

one suggestion for a last ditch effort would be to quickly assemble an arab-league peacekeeping force and send them in and at the same time send out the American and British military so the 2 sides don't have to share the same space and so it doesn't look like the arab league force is working for america. if the insurgents then attack the arab league then they would just have to leave because they would not be able to fight that kind of war, but that would be a good way to facilitate the Amricans leaving so they don't have to get chased out. otherwise the insurgents are never going to stop attacking the Americans and the Iraqis are never going to really reign them in, America has to get out somehow and relativly soon, in the next 2 or 3 years is the maximum that they can stay there.

[Act of God]

What we need is to get someone in power there who can control these people, keep them locked down and in order....oh wait

[zodiac666]

singern[/left]]Your opinion is valid, but I haven't heard a single constructive suggestion from the left, or any who oppose Bushes plan for that matter.
I hear allot of bashing, negative attitude, and even outright insulting ignorance but haven't heard any ideas to fix the problem at hand, not one. Other than the obviously unacceptable "pull out and go home"

i actually go back and forth on this one, why is pulling out so unacceptable? think of how many people are dying now, do you really think a lot more people would start dying if we pulled out? at least we would stop losing our soldiers. also do you think we are ever going to be able to set up an iraqi army that is going to be able to control the country, im not sure how motivated the iraqi troops are to fight the muslim terrorists. also im pretty sure that plenty of terrorists are embedded in the iraqi army. what if the situation is the same in 5yrs or 10yrs, do we pull out then?

i think no matter what its going to be another unstable muslim country that hates the USA so what exactly are we trying to gain over there?

[mcpeepants]

one suggestion for a last ditch effort would be to quickly assemble an arab-league peacekeeping force and send them in and at the same time send out the American and British military so the 2 sides don't have to share the same space and so it doesn't look like the arab league force is working for america. if the insurgents then attack the arab league then they would just have to leave because they would not be able to fight that kind of war, but that would be a good way to facilitate the Amricans leaving so they don't have to get chased out. otherwise the insurgents are never going to stop attacking the Americans and the Iraqis are never going to really reign them in, America has to get out somehow and relativly soon, in the next 2 or 3 years is the maximum that they can stay there.

The arab league nations are majority sunni countries and many are distrust the shia communities in there nations. Saudi Arabia even said that if the US leaves they would support the sunnis in Iraq. What would stop them from supporting sunnis so they can retake over the country? The shia in Iraq would feel threatened and attack the arab peace keepers.

[Logan13]

I dont think america can do it alone. I mean america certainly has the capability. But not the will.

Amen to that! This war has become political fodder for too many in this country, which obviously does not solve anything.

[singern]

The arab league nations are majority sunni countries and many are distrust the shia communities in there nations. Saudi Arabia even said that if the US leaves they would support the sunnis in Iraq. What would stop them from supporting sunnis so they can retake over the country? The shia in Iraq would feel threatened and attack the arab peace keepers.

Agreed.
The Arab/Muslim nations have far too much bad blood between them to agree on the color of shit. If the UN had any backbone they would do the job they were created for, so it seems the only thing left either is a coalition of the willing (which isnt going very well), or for the Iraqi majority to stand up and fight for freedom, and security themselves.

[zodiac666]

they need to just split iraq into 3 countries, kurds, sunnis, and shia's. these retarded religious fvcks are never going to be able to live in peace together, the hate just gos back to far.

[eliteforce]

Syria is a majority Sunni country but the Baathest regime there is Shia dominated, prior to 1975 they supported the Christians in Lebanon over the majority Sunnis just because they felt the Chritians had more organization, business interests.
The Arab League force would be supporting this electoral system where the people vote and shias have more seats in Parliament since they have more voters..it's not perfect but if arab countries would be willing to displace the Americans and British quickly the I think it could be viable options, if the Arabs and Iraqis don't wanna do it then the US should just leave now, continued occupation is going no-where and I see no reason to "phase out" the occupation when we know the areas the evacuate quickly fall to militias, might as well leave quickly.

[J.S.N.]

they need to just split iraq into 3 countries, kurds, sunnis, and shia's. these retarded religious fvcks are never going to be able to live in peace together, the hate just gos back to far.

the problem is all three groups feel that they have a claim to the oil in what is currently iraq, so if they have to share the reserves, what's the point of 3 seperate nation-states?

[singern]

Dividing the country should not be an option.
There can be stability when:
The Iraqi population as a whole realises that all the killing and infighting has no effect, no result and no end.
When they themselves stand up to the foreign insurgents, and radical Jihadists who came to battle the Americans.

Stability and peace in Iraq is certainly possible, but needs to come from an iraqi desire to do so.

[Logan13]

they need to just split iraq into 3 countries, kurds, sunnis, and shia's. these retarded religious fvcks are never going to be able to live in peace together, the hate just gos back to far.

That would cause a mass displacement of the entire Iraq population, since they are mostly intermixed now. This is nothing more than Sen Byden trying to think of a solution, which I commend him for since it seems that none of the other Dems have one or have any interest in finding one. But his proposed solution will never work.

[SurfJunkie]

Dividing the country should not be an option.
There can be stability when:
The Iraqi population as a whole realises that all the killing and infighting has no effect, no result and no end.
When they themselves stand up to the foreign insurgents, and radical Jihadists who came to battle the Americans.

Stability and peace in Iraq is certainly possible, but needs to come from an iraqi desire to do so.

In theory it sounds perfect. and in a perfect world it would be that way. But these people are so lost, so ignorant and deep in thier "cause" that they won't stop fighting. And as for the people standing up for themselves HA. We can't even get an entire street of 100 people to point out a man who threw a hand grenade at us when we have 20 us soldiers standing there armed to the teeth... you think they'll fight on there own when they won't even snitch on one man? You are very right sir, the only way this will work is for it to come from the iraqi people... and therin lies the problem. There lies the reason that the coalition MUST stay the course. We have to educate the people.. kill the ignorance, squash the fear, give the people hope and some solid ground to stand on... then we can leave. I don't like it.. but its the only way I can see that it'll work.

[Logan13]

In theory it sounds perfect. and in a perfect world it would be that way. But these people are so lost, so ignorant and deep in thier "cause" that they won't stop fighting. And as for the people standing up for themselves HA. We can't even get an entire street of 100 people to point out a man who threw a hand grenade at us when we have 20 us soldiers standing there armed to the teeth... you think they'll fight on there own when they won't even snitch on one man? You are very right sir, the only way this will work is for it to come from the iraqi people... and therin lies the problem. There lies the reason that the coalition MUST stay the course. We have to educate the people.. kill the ignorance, squash the fear, give the people hope and some solid ground to stand on... then we can leave. I don't like it.. but its the only way I can see that it'll work.

Your first hand knowledge is appreciated, and thank you for your service.

[eliteforce]

'kill the ignorance'? you educate people with tanks, by shooting back in forth with the rebels in the middle of their towns and cities. Is it ignorant to want soverignty over their own country? the installed government is a sham-it won't last 5 minutes after the Americans leave, so the US has soverignty over Iraq as long as it is there and it can return soverignty by leaving.

[Logan13]

'kill the ignorance'? you educate people with tanks, by shooting back in forth with the rebels in the middle of their towns and cities. Is it ignorant to want soverignty over their own country? the installed government is a sham-it won't last 5 minutes after the Americans leave, so the US has soverignty over Iraq as long as it is there and it can return soverignty by leaving.

Who would we be returning sovereignty to, the terrorists? Elite, are you in the Middle East? Have you been there?

[SurfJunkie]

'kill the ignorance'? you educate people with tanks, by shooting back in forth with the rebels in the middle of their towns and cities. Is it ignorant to want soverignty over their own country? the installed government is a sham-it won't last 5 minutes after the Americans leave, so the US has soverignty over Iraq as long as it is there and it can return soverignty by leaving.

You're correct. The installed government won't last 5 minutes if we pull out... which is why we're still there. We're aiding in rebuilding the country, helping to quel the malitias and militant groups that would threaten the newly formed iraqi government. training its troops so they can handle the job once they're ready. The government of iraq is like a child. You wouldn't take a newborn child and throw a bunch of information at them till they're 2 then be like "well... it's been real. good luck with life, I'm outta here." Its the same with the government. They're just getting used to being alive, experiencing this new life and how it works, getting the kinks out. it takes time. Just like you wouldn't let your children run your household when you're more experienced and mature, the US is there to guide and aid the growing government in Iraq. We're trying to pass on our knowledge and help them get on thier feet.

The ignorance I was talkin about is that of a lack of knowledge of the outside world. These people don't know how life works outside the facist rule of saddam's regime. And they've had it crammed down thier throats their entire lives that free thinking and western style government is the devil. They base thier decisions on a book written my a man thousands of years ago and refuse to understand that times change. They refuse to accept it and change... thus making them ignorant people. The people of iraq don't want to change, they can't see anything past tomorrow and have no interest in trying to because they're so used to the way things were. They're not used to being able to change. Iraq is like the middle ages of europe. If your father is a farmer, guess what, your ass is gonna be a damn farmer. Dad's a sheep herder, you're a sheep herder, if you're lucky enough to come from a family with money, then you're going to get an education. and with that education comes knowledge of the outside world, and a desire to better ones self. Problem is, only about 10% of Iraq's population can afford that education so 90% of the country stays ignorant. And those ignorant ones bomb the schools and colleges to keep people from bettering themselves. The only way to educate the people, is to remove those hindering the education. Thus, we use tanks to educate in a manner of speaking yes. As far as the places that these battles take place, we have no choice in that matter. In order to protect the innocent people of Iraq, you have to be with them, where they are. That means we're in their towns and cities. Trust me, there wasn't a day that I spent over there going "gee, I wish they would attack us in the muhalla instead of out here in the open desert." Problem is, many iraqi people are looking at it the same way you are and blaming the US. We're not asking to fight in the towns and homes of these people... the insurgents are bringing the fight there and so we have to meet them there. Sure, we could stay out of the towns and cities... but then the insurgents would have free reign to do as they please. Murder civilians, bomb schools and hospitals. The only way to counter those attacks is a presence or show of force in those areas. And thats why you've got the war you've got.

These people need to learn of the modern world, they need to see the posibilities that can be afforded to them in a free and democratic society. They need to understand what we're trying to do instead of listening to the lies and rumors of insurgents and radical muslim religious leaders who and blinded by thier faith and beliefs in a 2000 year old book. And until these people are no longer scared by insurgents and educated about thier possiblities and rights as free human beings... the US army will be there to guide the infant government that is in Iraq.

[eliteforce]

they fight in the cities because they don't have a jungle to hide in like vietnam, this business about theyre so ignorant is imperialist propaganda; when they fight you in the cities they hide amongst the population because they are the population, they are peoples brothers and fathers and 80% of shiites and 90% of sunnis approve of attacks on American troops, you critisize their tactics but it's a dirty war, if their going to get soverignty of their country they have to fight a dirty war, otherwise it will remain an American owned admin with a powerless puppet regime.

[Kärnfysikern]

Dont they realise that if they DONT fight america will leave sooner

[singern]

Dont they realise that if they DONT fight america will leave sooner

If they dont fight, the legitimately elected government will take hold. People will have an opportunity to realise that peace, prosperity and democracy and much better than what the criminal, and radical elements are offering.

[eliteforce]

lol your probably right, if they'd just chill a little, America would probably withdraw most of their forces, then they could just reappear and take down that weak govt and go for power; nationalist rebels are just stubburn I guess, they said they will only accept a ceasefire if the Americans give a short timetable-like months.
>Dont they realise that if they DONT fight america will leave sooner

[zodiac666]

so many muslims blame the US for the violence in iraq but if the iraqis stopped killing each other there would be peace, if the US left their would be just as many peope dying as there are now. and i love what johan said "Dont they realise that if they DONT fight america will leave sooner" really, if they just stopped killing each other and focused on setting up an elected government that could take care of its citizens the US would leave in a heartbeat. i guess its just very hard for deeply religious people to act mildly reasonable.

[Kärnfysikern]

I guess logical thinking does not exist among people with a cause.