Gay couples ask Conn. court for marriage

[DSM4Life]

One can never download too much gay porn.

Amen to that

[mcpeepants]

Please show me where in the Constituton or Bill of Rights it is stated that marriage is a "freedom". Interacial marriages have never been illegal where I live.

Well the ninth amendment mentions that the rights listed in the in the constitution and bill of rights are not comprehensive and that we have others rights that are not listed.

[Coop77]

Prove me wrong. Carlos tried but failed. Please provide link. I am not saying there are not gay animals but when it comes to monogamous relations(e.g. 90% of birds are monogamous and 100% are paired female and male). Please prove me wrong! The reason, the survival of the species had mother nature paired smae sex animals in monigamous relationships the species would die out, FACT.

Several links have been provided. Carlos listed some and I listed a link to an article about two female penguins at a zoo that tend a nest together and reject male penguins. You've been proven wrong.

[Carlos_E]

Several links have been provided. Carlos listed some and I listed a link to an article about two female penguins at a zoo that tend a nest together and reject male penguins. You've been proven wrong.

Watch, he'll come up with an excuse.

[Coop77]

For the first part, that ridicules arguemnet has been used when the "Washington Defense of Marriage Alliance, a supporter of same-sex marriage, began a petition drive to place a ballot measure on the November 2007 ballot that would require opposite-sex couples who marry to have children within three years or have their marriages become legally unrecognized. Couples seeking a marriage license would also have to show they can produce children."

This was just to make a point, which you obviously missed. It's like when the college republicans have those bake sales where the price is based on what race you are.. to make a point about affirmative action.

This is just one af many examples of how gays want to destroy marriage

This statement completely bewilders me. There are millions of Americans that think like you - feel threatened by gay people - and it totally dumbfounds me. It's like saying when women demanded the right to vote, they were trying to destroy voting and democracy.

[RamyGras]

When will "the gays" realize we don't want their kind around our innocent children. Infecting their minds and such with their homosexual ways. Trying to "gay" up our military and ruin the sanctity of heterosexual marriages by eloping. First they illegalize slavery, then they give women rights, now they're thinking of letting "the gays" get married?

Disgusting, and more importantly, un-American.

"Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.......except for them gays!"

[kfrost06]

Several links have been provided. Carlos listed some and I listed a link to an article about two female penguins at a zoo that tend a nest together and reject male penguins. You've been proven wrong.

This is absurd and I can hardly believe that I am wasting my precious time responding to such tripe! First and foremost, a zoo(which IMO is cruel) is NOT a natural setting. For the penguiins which are monogomous they are locked up with the following ratios 2.2 males for every 1 female! Here's the link Carlos blessed us with:

http://www.jrn.columbia.edu/studentw...-06-10/591.asp

"Among the 22 male and 10 female African black-footed penguins in the aquarium's exhibit, tales of love, lust and betrayal are the norm."

Well, no sh1t sherlock! The same thing happens in prison, it's called being "on the down low".

Another quote from same link:

"In 1997, the park had four pairs of homosexual penguins. In an effort to increase breeding, zookeepers tried to separate them by force. They failed, said Gramzay."

How do you try to seperate by force and fail??? What a joke! You call this natural environment? Mother Nature. Does PBS go to the zoo to observe and film nature in the wild?

It is a colossal waste of my time to answer everyone of your links that lead no where but to a zoo! I really hope your not saying gay humans belong in a zoo!!!

[Logan13]

Well the ninth amendment mentions that the rights listed in the in the constitution and bill of rights are not comprehensive and that we have others rights that are not listed.

Just so you do not continue down this road using vague examples and your interpretation of the law:
Defense of Marriage Act, signed into law in 1996 by President Bill Clinton and is still on the books.
The law has two effects.
No state (or other political su**ivision within the United States) need recognize a marriage between persons of the same sex, even if the marriage was concluded or recognized in another state.
The Federal Government may not recognize same-sex or polygamous marriages for any purpose, even if concluded or recognized by one of the states.
The bill was passed by Congress by a vote of 85-14 in the Senate[1] and a vote of 342-67 in the House of Representatives[2], and was signed by President Bill Clinton on September 21, 1996

[gixxerboy1]

Several links have been provided. Carlos listed some and I listed a link to an article about two female penguins at a zoo that tend a nest together and reject male penguins. You've been proven wrong.

they were just drunk and doing it for attention. You know how girls can be

[mcpeepants]

Just so you do not continue down this road using vague examples and your interpretation of the law:
Defense of Marriage Act, signed into law in 1996 by President Bill Clinton and is still on the books.
The law has two effects.
No state (or other political su**ivision within the United States) need recognize a marriage between persons of the same sex, even if the marriage was concluded or recognized in another state.
The Federal Government may not recognize same-sex or polygamous marriages for any purpose, even if concluded or recognized by one of the states.
The bill was passed by Congress by a vote of 85-14 in the Senate[1] and a vote of 342-67 in the House of Representatives[2], and was signed by President Bill Clinton on September 21, 1996

That's what the ninth amendment says Logan, take a look at it. This law will eventually be struck down by the courts or the congress like so many others before it. Before the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments, I would of been considered 3/5 of a person in the eyes of the government and probably not human by most people in the US. The majority of the people will eventually get over there prejudices and this law will be tossed like prohibition. You keep pointing out Clinton signed the bill as if I support bigotry when democrats do it and oppose it when republicans do.

Logan do you think gay people should be able to openly serve in the military and if not why?

[Carlos_E]

It is a colossal waste of my time to answer everyone of your links that lead no where but to a zoo! I really hope your not saying gay humans belong in a zoo!!!

I'm obviously wasting my time with you. Your eyes and ears are closed. If you kept reading, you would see that ALL OF THE LINKS ARE NOT IN A ZOO!

Logan13 is pig headed but he at least has an open mind. You on the other hand...

[WillieDaPimp]

Logan13 is pig headed but he at least has an open mind.

now that's funny.....

[Logan13]

That's what the ninth amendment says Logan, take a look at it. This law will eventually be struck down by the courts or the congress like so many others before it. Before the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments, I would of been considered 3/5 of a person in the eyes of the government and probably not human by most people in the US. The majority of the people will eventually get over there prejudices and this law will be tossed like prohibition. You keep pointing out Clinton signed the bill as if I support bigotry when democrats do it and oppose it when republicans do.

Logan do you think gay people should be able to openly serve in the military and if not why?

Ya know, I have been back-and-forth on this one. Right now, today, I do not have any problem with gays serving openly. But I am not serving in the military, therefore my opinion should have less weight than those who are in a branch of service.

[Logan13]

now that's funny.....

With a name like "DaPimp", how could we not take you seriously..........

[Tock]

This is absurd and I can hardly believe that I am wasting my precious time responding to such tripe! First and foremost, a zoo(which IMO is cruel) is NOT a natural setting.

For that matter, apartments, houses, mobilehomes, tents, condos, etc, are not natural settings for human beings, either.
I hope you're not advocating that all humans go back to living in natural settings . . . I don't much care for the outdoors. Too many bugs.

[Carlos_E]

For that matter, apartments, houses, mobilehomes, tents, condos, etc, are not natural settings for human beings, either.
I hope you're not advocating that all humans go back to living in natural settings . . . I don't much care for the outdoors. Too many bugs.

To true.

I bet he won't have a come back for that.

[Carlos_E]

His post was sarcasm. Get with the program.

Gay people don't make gay people. You straight people do. We're not like they army. We don't recruit.

[gixxerboy1]

His post was sarcasm. Get with the program.

Gay people don't make gay people. You straight people do. We're not like they army. We don't recruit.

I dont know about that./ I've been out a few times and someone was trying to convert me

[Carlos_E]

I dont know about that./ I've been out a few times and someone was trying to convert me

It was probably that gay tank top you wear. You were sending the wrong singals.

[gixxerboy1]

why is your opinion ok and mine bigotry?your doing the name calling here Putz?wtf, maybe some little kid that has been raised by 2 daddys thinks he can get a husband one day, get married and have a babys and contribute to humanity on a reproductive level and further ensure the survival of the human race .oh please thats my oppinion, i said all i have to say about this.

Is that really the whole argument a lot of you have reproduction? Yea because the human race is on the verge of instinction.

What about the straight people who can't? Hell my girl and i choose not to have any kids. I'm thinking about getting a vasectomy. That's not natural.

[gixxerboy1]

It was probably that gay tank top you wear. You were sending the wrong singals.

It was probably that or the eye liner

[Coop77]

Watch, he'll come up with an excuse.

This is absurd and I can hardly believe that I am wasting my precious time responding to such tripe! First and foremost, a zoo(which IMO is cruel) is NOT a natural setting.

[Coop77]

This is absurd and I can hardly believe that I am wasting my precious time responding to such tripe! First and foremost, a zoo(which IMO is cruel) is NOT a natural setting. For the penguiins which are monogomous they are locked up with the following ratios 2.2 males for every 1 female!

Interesting. I had no idea that zoos make animals gay. Now i know.

[Carlos_E]

This is absurd and I can hardly believe that I am wasting my precious time responding to such tripe! First and foremost, a zoo(which IMO is cruel) is NOT a natural setting.

For that matter, apartments, houses, mobilehomes, tents, condos, etc, are not natural settings for human beings, either.
I hope you're not advocating that all humans go back to living in natural settings . . . I don't much care for the outdoors. Too many bugs.

My favorite post for tonight.

[Coop77]

This is absurd and I can hardly believe that I am wasting my precious time responding to such tripe! First and foremost, a zoo(which IMO is cruel) is NOT a natural setting. For the penguiins which are monogomous they are locked up with the following ratios 2.2 males for every 1 female! Here's the link Carlos blessed us with:

http://www.jrn.columbia.edu/studentw...-06-10/591.asp

"Among the 22 male and 10 female African black-footed penguins in the aquarium's exhibit, tales of love, lust and betrayal are the norm."

Well, no sh1t sherlock! The same thing happens in prison, it's called being "on the down low".

Another quote from same link:

"In 1997, the park had four pairs of homosexual penguins. In an effort to increase breeding, zookeepers tried to separate them by force. They failed, said Gramzay."

How do you try to seperate by force and fail??? What a joke! You call this natural environment? Mother Nature. Does PBS go to the zoo to observe and film nature in the wild?

It is a colossal waste of my time to answer everyone of your links that lead no where but to a zoo! I really hope your not saying gay humans belong in a zoo!!!

By the way, it's nearly impossible to distinguish a male penguin from a female penguin (the zoo had to use DNA tests) because their sex organs are on the inside.. there have probably been gay wild penguins in PBS nature shows, just no one can tell.

[DSM4Life]

Quote:
Originally Posted by kfrost06
This is absurd and I can hardly believe that I am wasting my precious time responding to such tripe! First and foremost, a zoo(which IMO is cruel) is NOT a natural setting.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tock
For that matter, apartments, houses, mobilehomes, tents, condos, etc, are not natural settings for human beings, either.
I hope you're not advocating that all humans go back to living in natural settings . . . I don't much care for the outdoors. Too many bugs.

[nalbano34]

I am not going to try and get beaten up on this subject, but as far as housing goes......Mankind has alway made itself shelter. Am I missing something there? So we just became a bit more a***t at it, a house is not much different than a cave.I would have to say the comparison of a jail to a zoo is much more valid than just shelter, very different things IMO. I would like to add that you all make very valid points and this has become my favorite thread to check.

[ftony]

His post was sarcasm. Get with the program.

Gay people don't make gay people. You straight people do. We're not like they army. We don't recruit.

You Carlos and your cause is seriously losing integrity fast in my eyes. you are fast to reply defending what you believe in (homosexuality),you are biased to the point you deleted my post because they dont help your cause.My entire reason and effort of making my opinion known was to protect innocent children from being subjected to homosexuality without having the presence of mind to be able to make that choice to be in that situation. thats my opinion and right to believe this to be true ,you made your choice why are you pushing your beliefs on other people (innocent kids for one)for your own selfish gratification.Maybe thats what your all about, sure looks that way to me and if you felt the need to delete my post it must be true,ill save a copy of this post so dont bother to delete it. in addition you being the one ruining the integrity of this forum by deleting peoples post. when i never name called like you did or make racist comments like you did.I just gave my opinion on a topic posted by someone else.You defend homosexuality i defended innocent kids you want to argue with that?and last if you had a mod delete those post for you this site is even more corrupt than i imagined,but hey i guess you have your hands full .in more ways than one peace out

[gixxerboy1]

You Carlos and your cause is seriously losing integrity fast in my eyes. you are fast to reply defending what you believe in (homosexuality),you are biased to the point you deleted my post because they dont help your cause.My entire reason and effort of making my opinion known was to protect innocent children from being subjected to homosexuality without having the presence of mind to be able to make that choice to be in that situation. thats my opinion and right to believe this to be true ,you made your choice why are you pushing your beliefs on other people (innocent kids for one)for your own selfish gratification.Maybe thats what your all about, sure looks that way to me and if you felt the need to delete my post it must be true,ill save a copy of this post so dont bother to delete it. in addition you being the one ruining the integrity of this forum by deleting peoples post. when i never name called like you did or make racist comments like you did.I just gave my opinion on a topic posted by someone else.You defend homosexuality i defended innocent kids you want to argue with that?and last if you had a mod delete those post for you this site is even more corrupt than i imagined,but hey i guess you have your hands full .in more ways than one peace out

Honestly i'm shocked by this post.

How are homosexuals pushing their beliefs on children. Do you think Carlos is hanging out in the playground? I agree young children shouldn't be subjected to really any sexuality. But the fact is they are. Gay and straight. You think kids comprehend the shit they see straight adults doing?

I cant even write a reply. How is Carlos or homosexuality hurting kids?

[Carlos_E]

You Carlos and your cause is seriously losing integrity fast in my eyes. you are fast to reply defending what you believe in (homosexuality),you are biased to the point you deleted my post because they dont help your cause.My entire reason and effort of making my opinion known was to protect innocent children from being subjected to homosexuality without having the presence of mind to be able to make that choice to be in that situation. thats my opinion and right to believe this to be true ,you made your choice why are you pushing your beliefs on other people (innocent kids for one)for your own selfish gratification.Maybe thats what your all about, sure looks that way to me and if you felt the need to delete my post it must be true,ill save a copy of this post so dont bother to delete it. in addition you being the one ruining the integrity of this forum by deleting peoples post. when i never name called like you did or make racist comments like you did.I just gave my opinion on a topic posted by someone else.You defend homosexuality i defended innocent kids you want to argue with that?and last if you had a mod delete those post for you this site is even more corrupt than i imagined,but hey i guess you have your hands full .in more ways than one peace out

I did not delete your post. An admin did. My posts were deleted as well. Your argument just got shot to hell.

[***xxx***]

You Carlos and your cause is seriously losing integrity fast in my eyes. you are fast to reply defending what you believe in (homosexuality),you are biased to the point you deleted my post because they dont help your cause.My entire reason and effort of making my opinion known was to protect innocent children from being subjected to homosexuality without having the presence of mind to be able to make that choice to be in that situation. thats my opinion and right to believe this to be true ,you made your choice why are you pushing your beliefs on other people (innocent kids for one)for your own selfish gratification.Maybe thats what your all about, sure looks that way to me and if you felt the need to delete my post it must be true,ill save a copy of this post so dont bother to delete it. in addition you being the one ruining the integrity of this forum by deleting peoples post. when i never name called like you did or make racist comments like you did.I just gave my opinion on a topic posted by someone else.You defend homosexuality i defended innocent kids you want to argue with that?and last if you had a mod delete those post for you this site is even more corrupt than i imagined,but hey i guess you have your hands full .in more ways than one peace out

wtf?! if u see it that way eveybody straights and gays are pushing their beliefs on innocent children. we live in a sexualized world that has nothing to do with who you sleep with or not.

[kfrost06]

For that matter, apartments, houses, mobilehomes, tents, condos, etc, are not natural settings for human beings, either.
I hope you're not advocating that all humans go back to living in natural settings . . . I don't much care for the outdoors. Too many bugs.

Yes, they are. They are as natural a setting as a bird nest is to a bird, an ant hole/colony is to ants. They built them and use them. They were not forced and locked up in them. Now if "free will" were taken away, i.e. locked up in jail, that would not be natural. If an animal were locked up in prison(I mean a zoo) then that is not natural. I human building a house, tent, teepee, mall is natural in the sense he has done so on his own and comes and goes on his own. Now, when penguins build a zoo and come and go as they please then AND ONLY THEN can you say that is part of there nature.

Tock, that was a very weak arguement. I am dissapointed to wake up and see that the best you could come up with is.....well...nothing.

[Carlos_E]

Yes, they are. They are as natural a setting as a bird nest is to a bird, an ant hole/colony is to ants. They built them and use them. They were not forced and locked up in them. Now if "free will" were taken away, i.e. locked up in jail, that would not be natural. If an animal were locked up in prison(I mean a zoo) then that is not natural. I human building a house, tent, teepee, mall is natural in the sense he has done so on his own and comes and goes on his own. Now, when penguins build a zoo and come and go as they please then AND ONLY THEN can you say that is part of there nature.

Tock, that was a very weak arguement. I am dissapointed to wake up and see that the best you could come up with is.....well...nothing.

If you actually read my post you would see not all of the animals were in a zoo. The lesbian swans are not in a zoo. How will you explain that away.

[kfrost06]

You Carlos and your cause is seriously losing integrity fast in my eyes. you are fast to reply defending what you believe in (homosexuality),you are biased to the point you deleted my post because they dont help your cause.My entire reason and effort of making my opinion known was to protect innocent children from being subjected to homosexuality without having the presence of mind to be able to make that choice to be in that situation. thats my opinion and right to believe this to be true ,you made your choice why are you pushing your beliefs on other people (innocent kids for one)for your own selfish gratification.Maybe thats what your all about, sure looks that way to me and if you felt the need to delete my post it must be true,ill save a copy of this post so dont bother to delete it. in addition you being the one ruining the integrity of this forum by deleting peoples post. when i never name called like you did or make racist comments like you did.I just gave my opinion on a topic posted by someone else.You defend homosexuality i defended innocent kids you want to argue with that?and last if you had a mod delete those post for you this site is even more corrupt than i imagined,but hey i guess you have your hands full .in more ways than one peace out

Welcome ftony! As you can see we are discussing a "hot" topic. It is important that no name calling is done by either side of the issue, that gets us no where and will lead to the thread being locked. I am not accusing you of name calling but I know from experience that once post start getting deleted it is only moments away from having the thread locked. We can strongly disagree with others in a civil manner and if emotions run high, walk away and then come back. Carlos, despite his warped views(I call liberalism) he is a cool guy, even if he hates me. I can also tell you he can not delete post, if he had the power to delete post, my post count would be in the single digits.

[kfrost06]

If you actually read my post you would see not all of the animals were in a zoo. The lesbian swans are not in a zoo. How will you explain that away.

Here's one line from your swan story, "Apparently, this is not an uncommon behaviour among swans if there is not an opposite-sex bird around."

[Carlos_E]

Carlos, despite his warped views(I call liberalism) he is a cool guy, even if he hates me. I can also tell you he can not delete post, if he had the power to delete post, my post count would be in the single digits.

I don't hate you. I don't hate anyone. I just feel you're... misguided.

I do have the power to edit and delete posts. I delete or edit posts that break the rules or are reported as offensive. Your posts have not done that.

[ftony]

wtf?! if u see it that way eveybody straights and gays are pushing their beliefs on innocent children. we live in a sexualized world that has nothing to do with who you sleep with or not.

Well a typical family beliefs of growing up going to college "getting married" having children to pass on your jeans so they may grow and pass on their jeans ,contributing to humanity in way of reproducing what you may or may not believe are good jeans. Well those are not such bad beliefs.there are good and bad people of all walks of life.But i can see problems with a child being raised by two men, it has got to be confusing the s#it out of him or her,im not singling out any one person no malice intended...my intentions are not to offend anybody,I feel the need to speak out for those who cannot,just as you are compelled to defend what you believe in..I would do the same for you.Again im done with this i just had to repost because of some forum corruption..lol peace out

[Carlos_E]

Here's one line from your swan story, "Apparently, this is not an uncommon behaviour among swans if there is not an opposite-sex bird around."

The swans were in their natural environment with access to males.

[kfrost06]

If you actually read my post you would see not all of the animals were in a zoo. The lesbian swans are not in a zoo. How will you explain that away.

Carlos, you have to give me credit, I am good . Remember too, there are people far more articulate then me that are currently fighting this issue in the real world, e.g. courts, public opinion, congress, press, etc. You have an uphill fight and a long one. I wish you no harm and actually wish you the best but I do not see gay marriage happening with in the next 10 years, not here in the good 'ole US of A.

[Carlos_E]

Well a typical family beliefs of growing up going to college "getting married" having children to pass on your jeans

Wrangler or Levi?