First gay couple legally married in Iowa

[Carlos_E]

Well... logically that doesn't make sense. Even if men were sleeping the same small group of women (i.e. only sluts) the average number of sexual partners for men and women has to be pretty close to the same. There aren't THAT many gay dudes in the world...

Thanks. I was about to say the same thing.

[RA]

Well... logically that doesn't make sense. Even if men were sleeping the same small group of women (i.e. only sluts) the average number of sexual partners for men and women has to be pretty close to the same. There aren't THAT many gay dudes in the world...

Male Homosexuals
Research indicates that the average male homosexual has hundreds of sex partners in his lifetime:
· The Dutch study of partnered homosexuals, which was published in the journal AIDS, found that men with a steady partner had an average of eight sexual partners per year.[12]
· Bell and Weinberg, in their classic study of male and female homosexuality, found that 43 percent of white male homosexuals had sex with 500 or more partners, with 28 percent having one thousand or more sex partners.[13]
· In their study of the sexual profiles of 2,583 older homosexuals published in the Journal of Sex Research, Paul Van de Ven et al. found that "the modal range for number of sexual partners ever [of homosexuals] was 101-500." In addition, 10.2 percent to 15.7 percent had between 501 and 1,000 partners. A further 10.2 percent to 15.7 percent reported having had more than one thousand lifetime sexual partners.[14]
· A survey conducted by the homosexual magazine Genre found that 24 percent of the respondents said they had had more than one hundred sexual partners in their lifetime. The magazine noted that several respondents suggested including a category of those who had more than one thousand sexual partners.[15]

[scriptfactory]

Male Homosexuals
Research indicates that the average male homosexual has hundreds of sex partners in his lifetime:
· The Dutch study of partnered homosexuals, which was published in the journal AIDS, found that men with a steady partner had an average of eight sexual partners per year.[12]
· Bell and Weinberg, in their classic study of male and female homosexuality, found that 43 percent of white male homosexuals had sex with 500 or more partners, with 28 percent having one thousand or more sex partners.[13]
· In their study of the sexual profiles of 2,583 older homosexuals published in the Journal of Sex Research, Paul Van de Ven et al. found that "the modal range for number of sexual partners ever [of homosexuals] was 101-500." In addition, 10.2 percent to 15.7 percent had between 501 and 1,000 partners. A further 10.2 percent to 15.7 percent reported having had more than one thousand lifetime sexual partners.[14]
· A survey conducted by the homosexual magazine Genre found that 24 percent of the respondents said they had had more than one hundred sexual partners in their lifetime. The magazine noted that several respondents suggested including a category of those who had more than one thousand sexual partners.[15]

I was speaking about male vs. female promiscuity.

Oh, and I wouldn't exactly trust anything from the "Family Research Council"... they have been known to take stats out of context as they are very anti-gay. For instance, one paragraph is based on a work from 1978. Another is taken from a very small group of older gay males. I only glanced over the sources but I can safely say that the article is bullpoop.

[RA]

I knew someone was going to automatically discount the information. ug. How many sources do you think there are related to this topic? Im certain if the numbers above a true (which they most likely are) that we can safely say that your average male homosexual is more promiscuous than your average female.

I was speaking about male vs. female promiscuity.

Oh, and I wouldn't exactly trust anything from the "Family Research Council"... they have been known to take stats out of context as they are very anti-gay. For instance, one paragraph is based on a work from 1978. Another is taken from a very small group of older gay males. I only glanced over the sources but I can safely say that the article is bullpoop.

[scriptfactory]

I knew someone was going to automatically discount the information. ug. How many sources do you think there are related to this topic? Im certain if the numbers above a true (which they most likely are) that we can safely say that your average male homosexual is more promiscuous than your average female.

How many gay people are on this board? Maybe 10? 20? If 43% of gay males have had sex with more than 500 other dudes then there have to be at least 5 people on this board that have ****ed that many men. Somehow, I don't even think there is 1 male on this board that has done that.

[Carlos_E]

How many sources do you think there are related to this topic?

Umm....

http://gaylife.about.com/od/gayorgan...anizations.htm

You can start there.

[Carlos_E]

How many gay people are on this board? Maybe 10? 20?

Much more than that. There are 7,000 members. If at least 3% are gay we have at least 210 gay members.

If 43% of gay males have had sex with more than 500 other dudes then there have to be at least 5 people on this board that have ****ed that many men. Somehow, I don't even think there is 1 male on this board that has done that.

I haven't had sex for the past 7 months ago. Since Lee and I broke up.

I only have sex with who I'm dating. By roidattacks numbers I have to date at least 3 guys for the next 5 months.

[scriptfactory]

Much more than that. There are 7,000 members. If at least 3% are gay we have at least 210 gay members.

Ja. I just meant active members.

I haven't had sex for the past 7 months ago. Since Lee and I broke up.

I only have sex with who I'm dating. By roidattacks numbers I have to date at least 3 guys for the next 5 months.

So are you saying you haven't had sex with 500 dudes? LIAR!

[helium3]

Well... logically that doesn't make sense. Even if men were sleeping the same small group of women (i.e. only sluts) the average number of sexual partners for men and women has to be pretty close to the same. There aren't THAT many gay dudes in the world...

i know it doesnt sound right but its true men on average have more sexual partners or encounters than women...it must be the sluts that make up the numbers

and i think testosterone clinches the deal.

[scriptfactory]

i know it doesnt sound right but its true men on average have more sexual partners or encounters than women...it must be the sluts that make up the numbers

Which would mean women are sluttier (i.e. more promiscuous) than men. It's just not possible for men to be that much sluttier than women according to the laws of mathematics.

Sorry.

[helium3]

no no no! the average is less...dont make me break out the studies!!!!

[gixxerboy1]

I haven't had sex for the past 7 months ago.

You know the saying. Use it or lose it

[Carlos_E]

Ja. I just meant active members.

There are more than 10-20 gay active members. There are a lot of guys who PM and IM me who are not "out" on the board. Some are very popular members. You would be surprised.

i know it doesnt sound right but its true men on average have more sexual partners or encounters than women...it must be the sluts that make up the numbers

and i think testosterone clinches the deal.

I have run some pretty decent test cycles and I have been horny as hell. I manage to keep it in my pants.

You know the saying. Use it or lose it

Victor lectures me about this. He said if I was not single, I would be a better bodybuilder. He says I need someone to take care of me. Have my meals cooked when I get home. Said it's hard to succeed doing it on your own.

So when we're at the gym he tries to introduce me to guys.

[helium3]

ok ok i can see im not going to win this arguement, but if we were talking about promiscuosity and include masterbation then thats a different story.

ok carlos you kept it in your pants...but was it in your hand? LOL

[Carlos_E]

ok ok i can see im not going to win this arguement, but if we were talking about promiscuosity and include masterbation then thats a different story.

ok carlos you kept it in your pants...but was it in your hand? LOL

Jerking off? Plenty of times. But masturbation is not promiscuity.

[scriptfactory]

So when we're at the gym he tries to introduce me to guys.

That is funny on so many levels.

[scriptfactory]

There are more than 10-20 gay active members. There are a lot of guys who PM and IM me who are not "out" on the board. Some are very popular members. You would be surprised.

Actually, I am surprised. I didn't know that so many people were still ashamed about being gay (except in front of their family members.)

[Carlos_E]

That is funny on so many levels.

It's embarassing. It goes like this:

"You know he is gay right?"

"Yeah so? Just cause he's gay to doesn't mean we'll automatically like each other."

"He's in pretty good shape."

"Kinda small, I like guys with more size on em."

"Look he's doing dumbbell rows. What do you think about the view?"

"WOW! OK, introduce me."

[scriptfactory]

It's embarassing. It goes like this:

"You know he is gay right?"

"Yeah so? Just cause he's gay to doesn't mean we'll automatically like each other."

"He's in pretty good shape."

"Kinda small, I like guys with more size on em."

"Look he's doing dumbbell rows. What do you think about the view?"

"WOW! OK, introduce me."

You are so wrong.

[Amorphic]

Actually, I am surprised. I didn't know that so many people were still ashamed about being gay (except in front of their family members.)

Just look at how most people respond to homosexuals and it become very clear why a lot keep it under wraps. Society is still shrouded by hatred and distain for things they do not understand. Equal rights are still far far away unfortunately.

[Carlos_E]

Just look at how most people respond to homosexuals and it become very clear why a lot keep it under wraps. Society is still shrouded by hatred and distain for things they do not understand. Equal rights are still far far away unfortunately.

Exactly. When someone says they're gay people automatically assume stereotypes. Sometimes it's easier to not say anything.

[Amorphic]

Exactly. When someone says they're gay people automatically assume stereotypes. Sometimes it's easier to not say anything.

Yes, and considering how peoples opinions can change due to someone coming out, (ie business execs or people in high company positions) these people have a lot to lose. Respect, admiration, and tolerance are all down the drain when some people come out. Its really unfortunate as a lot/ if not all homosexuals contribute positively to society.

[Logan13]

It's not a characteristic of the hetero community either.

AIDS effects everyone, but let's not put our heads in the sand in the name of political correctness. Facts are facts.........
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/re...sheets/msm.htm
2007 revision
Centers for Disease Control
HIV/AIDS among Men Who Have Sex with Men
In the United States, HIV infection and AIDS have had a tremendous effect on men who have sex with men (MSM). MSM accounted for 71% of all HIV infections among male adults and adolescents in 2005 (based on data from 33 states with long-term, confidential name-based HIV reporting), even though only about 5% to 7% of male adults and adolescents in the United States identify themselves as MSM [1, 2].

The number of HIV diagnoses for MSM decreased during the 1980s and 1990s, but recent surveillance data show an increase in HIV diagnoses for this group [3, 4]. Additionally, racial disparities exist with regard to HIV diagnoses within the MSM population. A recent study, conducted in 5 large US cities, found that HIV prevalence among black MSM (46%) was more than twice that among white MSM (21%) [5].

[Carlos_E]

AIDS effects everyone, but let's not put our heads in the sand in the name of political correctness. Facts are facts.........
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/re...sheets/msm.htm
2007 revision
Centers for Disease Control
HIV/AIDS among Men Who Have Sex with Men
In the United States, HIV infection and AIDS have had a tremendous effect on men who have sex with men (MSM). MSM accounted for 71% of all HIV infections among male adults and adolescents in 2005 (based on data from 33 states with long-term, confidential name-based HIV reporting), even though only about 5% to 7% of male adults and adolescents in the United States identify themselves as MSM [1, 2].

The number of HIV diagnoses for MSM decreased during the 1980s and 1990s, but recent surveillance data show an increase in HIV diagnoses for this group [3, 4]. Additionally, racial disparities exist with regard to HIV diagnoses within the MSM population. A recent study, conducted in 5 large US cities, found that HIV prevalence among black MSM (46%) was more than twice that among white MSM (21%) [5].

Which in turn has nothing to do with the right for gays to marry.

[Logan13]

Which in turn has nothing to do with the right for gays to marry.

The AIDS issue is much more serious than "Gay marriage".
But it does tie into my comment on the matter...........
"If this helps to reduce the epidemic numbers of AIDS, so be it. But fidelity is not usually a characteristic of the gay community, will "marriage" change this?"

My comment has more to do with it than your comment below does:

It's embarassing. It goes like this:

"You know he is gay right?"

"Yeah so? Just cause he's gay to doesn't mean we'll automatically like each other."

"He's in pretty good shape."

"Kinda small, I like guys with more size on em."

"Look he's doing dumbbell rows. What do you think about the view?"

"WOW! OK, introduce me."

[Carlos_E]

The AIDS issue is much more serious than "Gay marriage".
But it does tie into my comment on the matter...........
"If this helps to reduce the epidemic numbers of AIDS, so be it. But fidelity is not usually a characteristic of the gay community, will "marriage" change this?"

My comment has more to do with it than your comment below does:

It's embarassing. It goes like this:

"You know he is gay right?"

"Yeah so? Just cause he's gay to doesn't mean we'll automatically like each other."

"He's in pretty good shape."

"Kinda small, I like guys with more size on em."

"Look he's doing dumbbell rows. What do you think about the view?"

"WOW! OK, introduce me."

My comment was in response to a question/comment directed to me. Yours wasn't.

You and roidattack decided to turn this thread in to an HIV issue.

As far as fidelity. Look at the divorce rate. As if straight married couples don't fuck around on their spouse. Fidelity is not a common trait of heterosexuals so don't pretend that it is.

"People in glass houses."

[Logan13]

My comment was in response to a question/comment directed to me. Yours wasn't.

You and roidattack decided to turn this thread in to an HIV issue.

As far as fidelity. Look at the divorce rate. As if straight married couples don't fuck around on their spouse. Fidelity is not a common trait of heterosexuals so don't pretend that it is.

"People in glass houses."

I have given you the CDC's stats. If you have a problem with them, call the CDC and voice your complaint with them........

[DSM4Life]

Exactly. When someone says they're gay people automatically assume stereotypes. Sometimes it's easier to not say anything.

True.




Im not gay.

[Carlos_E]

I have given you the CDC's stats. If you have a problem with them, call the CDC and voice your complaint with them........

Again, CDC stats have nothing to do with gay marriage.

[Amorphic]

Why does everyone anti gay have to spin the topic around into something totally unrelated and irrelevant? Obviously logan13 is homophobic or intolerant, but if you want to argue about the marriage issue, stick with it, dont bring up AIDS or stats related to issues that have nothing to do with marriage. The issue was civil rights, not stds.

I'd support anyone trying to have the same rights as we all no, they deserve it just like any human being

[Logan13]

Why does everyone anti gay have to spin the topic around into something totally unrelated and irrelevant? Obviously logan13 is homophobic or intolerant, but if you want to argue about the marriage issue, stick with it, dont bring up AIDS or stats related to issues that have nothing to do with marriage. The issue was civil rights, not stds.

I'd support anyone trying to have the same rights as we all no, they deserve it just like any human being

Let's walk s l o w l y through this for those who are unable to keep up:
Equate marriage to a celebate relationship. Celebate relationship equates to fewer partners. Fewer partners reduces the onset of AIDs. 71% of AIDs cases among men came from homosexual/bisexual males, while they only make up 5-7% of males.
Obviously Logan13 worries about more pressing issues, like AIDs. Do not veer off topic yourselves and then whine when I do. You do not have to like the stats, no one obviously cares about them. If they did, it would not be the big problem that it is in the gay community.
BTW, AIDs is a bit more than an STD...........

[Tock]

I dunno what the AIDS rate is in the US, but in other countries, it's spread almost entirely via heterosexual encounters.
This thread isn't about AIDS, though. But if you'd like to start one about which group spreads more AIDS virus -- heterosexuals or gays -- we can do that, if you like.

But for now, let's stick to marriage, eh?

[Tock]

Equate marriage to a celebate relationship. Celebate relationship equates to fewer partners. Fewer partners reduces the onset of AIDs. .

Huh . . . that sounds like excellent justification for gay marriage. Get all the gays married, stop them from messing around, eliminate AIDS in the gay community.

There's something you can get behind, eh?

[Logan13]

Huh . . . that sounds like excellent justification for gay marriage. Get all the gays married, stop them from messing around, eliminate AIDS in the gay community.

There's something you can get behind, eh?

ding, ding, ding.
Thank you for being the first one to "get it"............

[RA]

I haven't had sex for the past 7 months ago. Since Lee and I broke up.

I only have sex with who I'm dating. By roidattacks numbers I have to date at least 3 guys for the next 5 months.

I know that about you Carlos but Ive always thought you were the exception not the rule.

[Carlos_E]

I know that about you Carlos but Ive always thought you were the exception not the rule.

I'm no exception. You assume a stereotype. Lee is the same as me and so are other guys I know. Just because you like to whore around with a lot of women don't assume every man does. I prefer quality over quantity. DSM is in a monogmous relationship. Is he an exception to?

[Teabagger]

In any discussion/debate regarding gay marriage it is of the utmost importance to consider "unintended consequences". Stay with me now. Gay marriage is becomes legal and sanctified. This will result in large numbers of gays committing to marriage. Ok, now we have a large population of wedded homosexuals. Now I ask you...what do most married couples eventually want? They eventually want children...right? Ok, so now all these gay married couples adopt (cause by nature they are unable to reproduce as a couple) children. Ok...now what if one of the couple leaves the workplace to stay at home and be "mom" or dad?? What happens now?? Well I'll tell ya what happens Mister!!

There is an immediate shortage of interior designers and hair stylists and make-up consultants....now is that the kink of world YOU want to live in!!??

[helium3]

it would be very interesting to see what the divorce rate would be among gay couples, as the divorce rate for hetrosexual marriages is bad enough.

reason i say this is out of the dozen or so gay couples i know, only one of them has had a relationship that has lasted more than 3 years and even they split. i dont suppose this means anything deffinative but from what i understand its common place.

so my question is: is it more difficult to find a meaningful relationship when your gay? i mean i can usually tell when someone is gay but it must be daunting if you like someone and you are not sure.

[RANA]

I'm no exception. You assume a stereotype. Lee is the same as me and so are other guys I know. Just because you like to whore around with a lot of women don't assume every man does. I prefer quality over quantity. DSM is in a monogmous relationship. Is he an exception to?

Hell no, Quantity all the way. Every so often Quality.

[RANA]

Hell no, Quantity all the way. Every so often Quality.

That's how I roll