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    Over 500 scientists published studies countering global warming fears...

    Over 500 scientists published studies countering global warming fears...
    Challenge to Scientific Consensus on Global Warming: Analysis Finds Hundreds of Scientists Have Published Evidence Countering Man-Made Global Warming Fears
    WASHINGTON, Sept. 12
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    A new analysis of peer-reviewed literature reveals that more than 500 scientists have published evidence refuting at least one element of current man-made global warming scares. More than 300 of the scientists found evidence that 1) a natural moderate 1,500-year climate cycle has produced more than a dozen global warmings similar to ours since the last Ice Age and/or that 2) our Modern Warming is linked strongly to variations in the sun's irradiance. "This data and the list of scientists make a mockery of recent claims that a scientific consensus blames humans as the primary cause of global temperature increases since 1850," said Hudson Institute Senior Fellow Dennis Avery.
    Other researchers found evidence that 3) sea levels are failing to rise importantly; 4) that our storms and droughts are becoming fewer and milder with this warming as they did during previous global warmings; 5) that human deaths will be reduced with warming because cold kills twice as many people as heat; and 6) that corals, trees, birds, mammals, and butterflies are adapting well to the routine reality of changing climate.
    Despite being published in such journals such as Science, Nature and Geophysical Review Letters, these scientists have gotten little media attention. "Not all of these researchers would describe themselves as global warming skeptics," said Avery, "but the evidence in their studies is there for all to see."
    The names were compiled by Avery and climate physicist S. Fred Singer, the co-authors of the new book Unstoppable Global Warming: Every 1,500 Years, mainly from the peer-reviewed studies cited in their book. The researchers' specialties include tree rings, sea levels, stalagmites, lichens, pollen, plankton, insects, public health, Chinese history and astrophysics.
    "We have had a Greenhouse Theory with no evidence to support it-except a moderate warming turned into a scare by computer models whose results have never been verified with real-world events," said co-author Singer. "On the other hand, we have compelling evidence of a real-world climate cycle averaging 1470 years (plus or minus 500) running through the last million years of history. The climate cycle has above all been moderate, and the trees, bears, birds, and humans have quietly adapted."
    "Two thousand years of published human histories say that the warm periods were good for people," says Avery. "It was the harsh, unstable Dark Ages and Little Ice Age that brought bigger storms, untimely frost, widespread famine and plagues of disease." "There may have been a consensus of guesses among climate model-builders," says Singer. "However, the models only reflect the warming, not its cause." He noted that about 70 percent of the earth's post-1850 warming came before 1940, and thus was probably not caused by human-emitted greenhouse gases. The net post-1940 warming totals only a tiny 0.2 degrees C.
    The historic evidence of the natural cycle includes the 5000-year record of Nile floods, 1st-century Roman wine production in Britain, and thousands of museum paintings that portrayed sunnier skies during the Medieval Warming and more cloudiness during the Little Ice Age. The physical evidence comes from oxygen isotopes, beryllium ions, tiny sea and pollen fossils, and ancient tree rings. The evidence recovered from ice cores, sea and lake sediments, cave stalagmites and glaciers has been analyzed by electron microscopes, satellites, and computers. Temperatures during the Medieval Warming Period on California's Whitewing Mountain must have been 3.2 degrees warmer than today, says Constance Millar of the U.S. Forest Service, based on her study of seven species of relict trees that grew above today's tree line.
    Singer emphasized, "Humans have known since the invention of the telescope that the earth's climate variations were linked to the sunspot cycle, but we had not understood how. Recent experiments have demonstrated that more or fewer cosmic rays hitting the earth create more or fewer of the low, cooling clouds that deflect solar heat back into space-amplifying small variations in the intensity of the sun.
    Avery and Singer noted that there are hundreds of additional peer-reviewed studies that have found cycle evidence, and that they will publish additional researchers' names and studies. They also noted that their book was funded by Wallace O. Sellers, a Hudson board member, without any corporate contributions.
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    It doesn't matter how many people subscribe to an opinion, if they are all wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tock
    It doesn't matter how many people subscribe to an opinion, if they are all wrong.


    Makes....a...a lot of sense tock.

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    Democrats that use scientists to back anti-global warming are just as ill conceived as the republicans who bash gays and are gay themselves...

    That being said lets clean the air reguardless...I want to breath clean fresh non contaminated air , don't you!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DTBusta
    That being said lets clean the air reguardless...I want to breath clean fresh non contaminated air , don't you!?
    That is an idea that any sane person can embrace. We could do without all the drama and "the end is near" scenarios.......

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    The name of the game is "distraction" ...'weapons of mass distraction' are reality television, and by this I mean the MEDIA ! Dems and Reps know this, then they just figure the best route to profit off of it in front of the American people while they have no clue !

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    Its bullshit that all of a sudden science has turned into a popularity contest. It doesnt matter one damn bit if 500 scientists think this or 5000 scientists belives that.

    It all comes down to falsification, by experiments or observations theories are tested and verified or falsified. That is the only thing that is important! Not what scientists belive or doesnt belive.

    If Svensmarks cosmic ray-> cloud connection hypothesis is supported by data from the planned CLOUD experiment at CERN it will definitely ruffle some feathers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Logan13
    That is an idea that any sane person can embrace. We could do without all the drama and "the end is near" scenarios.......
    Unfortunaly it doesnt seem to be enough that hundrads of thousands die because of fossil fuel pollution or the severe environmental effects they cause. Acid rain ect. So either most people arent sane or most people dont give a shit. Unfortunaly the global warming debate has become so big that all other environmental problems are forgotten completely.

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    These are graphs from the National Climatic Data Center (NCDC).

    this first graph shows temperature variants for the past 100 years up to the year 2000.

    the Earth is about a degree cooler than it was in the 1920's and 1930's which doesn't explain how CO2 really has any effect on global temperature since we have supposedly doubled or tripled the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere during that time



    Second Graph shows Temperature variants since about 1000B.C.

    We are about 1.5 degrees cooler now that the Earth was a little less than 1000 years ago and about 2.5 degrees cooler than the Earth was 2,500 years ago. Once again, not living up to the "Co2 causes Global Warming" theory



    One thing that scientists have found is that the Earth is constantly changing temperature and has been for millions of years. Ice ages and "climate optimums" have been happening fairly regularly in those periods. The Earth Is getting warmer, yes, but not because of us burning fossile fuels. It would be typical Human arrogance to think that we can do something to somehow stop the Earth from it's due course in warming.

    I do agree that we are massively polluting the Earth and killing off species of animals...but that has nothing to do with temperature. Scientists have found that the increased CO2 is acually making plants and crops grow faster and yealding larger harvests

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    I don't think back in that 1500 year climate cycle, man was pumping trillions of tons of carbon monoxide into the atmosphere. So how can they compare then and now conclusively?

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    BTW, arnt we still (historically speaking) just coming out of an ice age? Just a question I am asking....

    Nice post Dizz.

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    Farmers almanac says 2008 will be one of the hottest years on record. It should be great listening to the global warming crazies next year....

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    Quote Originally Posted by roidattack
    Farmers almanac says 2008 will be one of the hottest years on record. It should be great listening to the global warming crazies next year....

    2008 will be the hottest .....oooh well just more fuel for their fire !

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    Quote Originally Posted by ftony
    I don't think back in that 1500 year climate cycle, man was pumping trillions of tons of carbon monoxide into the atmosphere. So how can they compare then and now conclusively?

    That's exactly why we are comparing the temperatures. The whole premise of "global warming" revolves around the CO2 being dumped in the atmosphere by us burning fossile fuels. Have you ever heard of the Kyoto Protocol...if not, look it up cuz I'm not gonna post it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roidattack
    Farmers almanac says 2008 will be one of the hottest years on record. It should be great listening to the global warming crazies next year....
    Ah yes... because predictions from the "Farmers Almanac" is definetly THE scientific reference in all matters related to weather and the climate...

    Whats next? Miss Cléo's 1-900-psychic dictating foreign policy? (oh wait, didn't Reagan do that? )



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dizz28
    One thing that scientists have found is that the Earth is constantly changing temperature and has been for millions of years. Ice ages and "climate optimums" have been happening fairly regularly in those periods. The Earth Is getting warmer, yes, but not because of us burning fossile fuels. It would be typical Human arrogance to think that we can do something to somehow stop the Earth from it's due course in warming.
    You are making quite a big assumption, i.e since earth climate has changed in the past it rules out that humans can change it now. I dont se why that assumption is true.

    If antrophogenic global warming could be debunked by showing two graphs no scientists would work on the theory anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dizz28
    These are graphs from the National Climatic Data Center (NCDC).

    this first graph shows temperature variants for the past 100 years up to the year 2000.

    the Earth is about a degree cooler than it was in the 1920's and 1930's which doesn't explain how CO2 really has any effect on global temperature since we have supposedly doubled or tripled the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere during that time



    Second Graph shows Temperature variants since about 1000B.C.

    We are about 1.5 degrees cooler now that the Earth was a little less than 1000 years ago and about 2.5 degrees cooler than the Earth was 2,500 years ago. Once again, not living up to the "Co2 causes Global Warming" theory



    One thing that scientists have found is that the Earth is constantly changing temperature and has been for millions of years. Ice ages and "climate optimums" have been happening fairly regularly in those periods. The Earth Is getting warmer, yes, but not because of us burning fossile fuels. It would be typical Human arrogance to think that we can do something to somehow stop the Earth from it's due course in warming.

    I do agree that we are massively polluting the Earth and killing off species of animals...but that has nothing to do with temperature. Scientists have found that the increased CO2 is acually making plants and crops grow faster and yealding larger harvests

    they didnt take into account global dimming in this graph.

    as we have began to clean up our fuel burning process there will be less particulates in the atmosphere. as the skies clear there will be a steady climb in tempreture,contributing to the global warming.


    CO2 and in small part nitrogen are greenhouse gases, the earth's temperature
    is increased by around 60 degrees through its own "natural" greenhouse effect.

    if we continue to pump trillions of tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere each year it is just a matter of time before this will have an effect by increasing the average temperature
    of the earth...its just logical, unless we reverse this trend by removing the CO2 from the atmosphere.


    just as an experiment, on a nice sunny day go stand in a greenhouse and tell me it has no effect on the temperature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helium3
    they didnt take into account global dimming in this graph.

    as we have began to clean up our fuel burning process there will be less particulates in the atmosphere. as the skies clear there will be a steady climb in tempreture,contributing to the global warming.


    CO2 and in small part nitrogen are greenhouse gases, the earth's temperature
    is increased by around 60 degrees through its own "natural" greenhouse effect.

    if we continue to pump trillions of tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere each year it is just a matter of time before this will have an effect by increasing the average temperature
    of the earth...its just logical, unless we reverse this trend by removing the CO2 from the atmosphere.


    just as an experiment, on a nice sunny day go stand in a greenhouse and tell me it has no effect on the temperature.
    More CO2 = more plantlife = more oxygen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan13
    More CO2 = more plantlife = more oxygen.

    good point.

    but we are cutting trees down at such an alarming rate this wont be enough to reverse our inaction. plant life also gives off CO2 , mainly at night when they cant photosynthesize, but in the day to a lesser degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helium3
    good point.

    but we are cutting trees down at such an alarming rate this wont be enough to reverse our inaction. plant life also gives off CO2 , mainly at night when they cant photosynthesize, but in the day to a lesser degree.

    I do agree that we are consuming natural resources at an alarming rate. I do agree that we are pulluting the earth with dangerous chemicals. I do agree that we are sending some species into extinction for the previous reasons.

    I'm just trying to find the relationship between increased levels of CO2 and un-natural heating of the earth because of it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dizz28
    That's exactly why we are comparing the temperatures. The whole premise of "global warming" revolves around the CO2 being dumped in the atmosphere by us burning fossile fuels. Have you ever heard of the Kyoto Protocol...if not, look it up cuz I'm not gonna post it.
    That was my mistake I meant to type carbon dioxide, not monoxide....Anyway I will post the Kyoto Protocol since you are to busy Ok ,Cuz .http://unfccc.int/resource/docs/convkp/kpeng.html http://unfccc.int/kyoto_protocol/items/2830.php
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    Quote Originally Posted by ftony
    That was my mistake I meant to type carbon dioxide, not monoxide....Anyway I will post the Kyoto Protocol since you are to busy Ok ,Cuz .http://unfccc.int/resource/docs/convkp/kpeng.html http://unfccc.int/kyoto_protocol/items/2830.php
    i knew you ment dioxide

    and what I ment about not posting it was that I didn't feel like summarizing it and just to look it up so you get the whole purpose of those key world leaders meeting. Needless to say, America didn't jump on board that

    I like this link about it. describes it better http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoto_Protocol

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