"Ex-Gay" Counselor Convicted of Sexual Assault on Man

[Tock]

Huh . . . it seems that a preacher trying to cure gays of homosexuality got caught fu-k-ng his customers (literally) and got a 7 year probated sentence.
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"Ex-Gay" Counselor Convicted of Sexual Assault on Man

http://www.edgeboston.com/index.php?...&sc3=&id=23018

by Kilian Melloy
EDGE Boston Contributor
Thursday Sep 13, 2007



An Irving, Texas "ex-gay" counselor has been convicted of sexually assaulting a male client, ordered to register as a sex offender, and sentenced to ten years in prison.

AS Queerty reported in a Sept. 6 posting, Chris Austin, a preacher with Renew Ministries, received seven years’ probation even though he was sentenced to a decade in prison. Austin was also fined $2,500.

Queerty quoted Truth Wins Out, an "ex-ex-gay" group whose name riffs on the name of a Christian "ex-gay" group called Love Won Out, as expressing "relief" at the sentence.

"The abuse apparently involved a bit of unwanted penetration," Queerty reported, noting that a previous claim from 2001 pitted Austin against a man named Mark Hufford, who brought a civil suit against the preacher based on similar accusations, but later dropped it.

Truth Wins Out’s website posted a story in which it reported that a jury had found Austin guilty of "unlawfully, intentionally and knowingly caus[ing] penetration" of a man referred to by the pseudonym Stephen Trask.

The Truth Wins Out report also said that Austin was the founder of Renew Ministries, which is a counseling center operating from an Irving, Texas church.

Austin was affiliated with NARTH, the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality, and had presented a seminar at a NARTH convention in 2004 called "Understanding and Treating Compulsive Sexual Behavior in Men with Value-Incongruent Homosexual Issues: A Multidimensional Approach."

The Truth Wins Out story quoted from Austin’s own writings, citing the sentence, "Before addressing the brokenness in others, we must defeat all the responses of our own flesh."

Wayne Besen, Executive Director of Truth Wins Out, issued a statement that read in part, "We are deeply gratified that this ’ex-gay’ predator is no longer in the counseling business, where he exploited his position of authority to sexually abuse vulnerable clients."

Besen’s statement continued, "Ex-gay therapy is extremely dangerous and places confused clients in the hands of repressed therapists. It is a recipe for disaster."

Said Besen, "As we have seen with Christopher Austin, Mark Foley and Larry Craig, gay people who do not learn to accept themselves act out in unhealthy ways."

Added Besen, "I hope Austin can use this experience to come out and have healthy gay relationships, so he won’t have to exploit other people."

[Tock]

. . . and here's a related article in the local (Dallas) gay paper . . .
It just gets crazier and crazier . . .
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http://www.dallasvoice.com/artman/pu...ticle_6673.php

Gay man testifies against ex-gay counselor he claims abused him


By David Webb Staff Writer
Sep 13, 2007, 19:43

Gay man who first filed charges against Irving ‘ex-gay’ counselor believes Austin’s sentence is fair, hopes other victims find closure



Mark Hufford says the process of coming out was made much more difficult for him by “ex-gay’ counselor Christopher Austin.
Many gay and lesbian people experience troubled journeys coming out, but Mark Hufford’s was worse than most because he went to great extremes in an effort to change his sexual orientation.

“I realize now that attempting to fix something that is not broken is foolish,” Hufford said this week. “I came out in 2003, am still out and happily partnered to a great man for four years.”

In his fight against being gay, Hufford enlisted the services of Christopher Austin, a counselor at the Irving Church of Christ South MacArthur who operated Renew Ministries.

Austin set about to cure Hufford’s homosexuality, allegedly using a procedure that could, at best, only be described as unorthodox and, at its worst, criminal.

The counselor’s novel approach to curing homosexuality involved private sessions to make the client more comfortable with people of his own sex, according to Hufford. This progressed from routine counseling, to nude sessions to fondling and finally oral sex over a year’s time, he said.
Austin’s credentials included his affiliation with the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality. At the group’s 2004 convention, the counselor taught a seminar called, “Understanding and Treating Compulsive Sexual Behavior in Men with Value-Incongruent Homosexual Issues: A Multidimensional Approach.”

In explaining how he could have been duped into participating in such a bizarre treatment program, Hufford noted that counselors can exercise enormous mental control over their clients. But Hufford said he finally was able to see through the ruse, and he filed criminal charges against Austin in late 2001 and a John Doe civil lawsuit against Austin and the church in early 2002.

Hufford said the stress of the lawsuit and the criminal investigation overwhelmed him, and he wound up dropping the lawsuit and the criminal charges. Dallas County criminal records show sexual assault charges against Austin were dismissed in 2004.

In the process of finally accepting his sexual orientation and coming out in 2003, Hufford revealed in a Dallas Voice story that he was the John Doe who had filed the lawsuit and criminal charges against Austin.

Hufford said in the interview that he had come to accept his sexual orientation, and that he had forgiven Austin.

But that story apparently led to others coming forward who claimed they had also participated in Austin’s “cure” for homosexuality, and the counselor’s luck apparently had run out.

Austin, 43, was convicted in 283rd Criminal District Court on Sept. 5 in Dallas County on two counts of sexual assault. The jury sentenced him to 10 years in prison, according to a court clerk, but Austin received seven years on probation.

Austin was also ordered to pay a $2,500 fine, register as a sex offender and give up his counseling license.

Hufford said he testified in the trial against Austin.

“I did testify at the trial, though I would have preferred not to,” Hufford said. “The individuals who testified had a lot of courage and are to be commended for exposing their lives to the courts and jury. It will take some time for many people to work through this.”

Hufford said he believes Austin received a fair and accurate punishment.

“I hope that everyone can find the closure they need, and those that may still be dealing with these issues can find peace,” Hufford said.

Austin has failed to return numerous messages left by the Dallas Voice for him since 2002 when the lawsuit and criminal charges against him were first reported.

Hufford said he now realizes any treatment to cure homosexuality would be destined to add to a person’s unhappiness.

“I would have to ask, is your life going to be a happy and full one, or will it require therapy, support groups and meetings for the rest of it?” Hufford said. “I don’t see the success. God loves us just as we are.”

Wayne Besen, founder of Truth Wins Out and author of “Anything But Straight: Unmasking the Scandals and Lies Behind the Ex-Gay Myth,” said Austin is a classic example of the danger of someone trying to suppress their sexual orientation. It leads to acting out in unhealthy ways, he said.

“I hope Austin can use this experience to come out and have healthy gay relationships, so he won’t have to exploit other people,” Besen said.

[Tock]

. . . and here's a write-up about the preacher himself . . .
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http://www.zoegroup.org/filter.asp?S...=82&co_key=816

Ministering to Those with Same-Sex Attractions

Out of the closet and into the light


by Dr. Christopher Austin
September - December, 2004

You have probably met him and never knew. He looks normal. He looks happy. He has tried extra hard to look good, like many of us do. But inside, there is an indescribable cacophony of shame, guilt, fear, depression, and lust. The critical and demanding voices never stop inside his head.

Brock is a seventeen-year-old young man whose parents found gay pornography on his computer. He is humiliated and embarrassed and looks as though he wants to just disappear, folded into himself. The discomfort and shame make him look tired with his head hung low. His parents lay out the charges against him, unfolding the evidence like prosecutors in court. I notice that he squirms and winces as each piece of evidence is presented with love and sadness. Tears roll down his mom’s cheek, and his dad looks disappointed and deflated. They have been on an emotional rollercoaster the past forty-eight hours. My heart hurts for this mother, father and son. Mom and dad are desperate for answers, for some way to understand this enough to fix it.

Roger is a forty-three-year-old father of two. He sits across from me with shame, fear, and stress written in deep lines on his forehead. He has a secret that no one else has ever known, and he honestly doesn’t want to tell me. He appears to everyone at his church, work, and home to be successful, spiritual, and loving. Underneath the facade he is a man who is torn emotionally, religiously robotic, and relationally isolated. “I have prayed thousands of times for God to take this away, but it still haunts me every day. I met a guy on the internet, and I have had an affair with him. He fills a part of me that has always seemed empty. I know what I am doing is wrong. I love my wife and kids, but I can’t seem to stop what I am doing.” There’s a part of him that desperately wants to stop, but there is an emotional part of him that can’t.

Michael is a thiry-year-old single man who considers himself gay. He told his parents ten years ago that he was gay and jumped into it with reckless abandon. Twenty-seven relationships with men have ended in a flurry of drama, hurt and rejection. As each relationship begins, his unmet needs cause him to attach very quickly and he does everything he can to make it work. But his sexual desires create a paradox: The more he wants relationships with men, the more he chases after them, the more fulfillment eludes him. He feels weak, pathetic, and unworthy. He is not “out” to the people at the office or at church. Each day he feels lonely, ashamed, or depressed. His sexual attractions are toward men, but those encounters are not working for him. Even though he is “gay,” he is anything but happy. He desperately wants his life to work, to be happy, to find love in a world that is painfully shallow, unmercifully perfectionistic, and emotionally unstable.

I tell these men I have met over the past fourteen years, “You are my brother in Christ. No matter what you tell me, I will respect you and accept you. You can tell me you have had sex with twenty thousand men or your dog. Neither will shock me nor surprise me. I am here to understand where you are and help you in whatever way I can.”

He looks at me with a half smile and relaxes, knowing his number is not twenty thousand, and he hasn’t had sex with his dog. But he has finally found a place where he can lay down his burden and be at peace.

These are a few examples of many brothers I have met who struggle with same-sex attraction. These stories are repeated many times in our society and now in the church. In the world of gay marriage, gay rights, Will and Grace and Queer Eye for the Straight Guy, there are Christian men and boys who have same-sex attraction that conflicts with their spiritual values and morals. The internet has opened a new avenue to options and choices that had never been so readily available to men who were vulnerable. God wants his church to trust him instead of conventional wisdom of the flesh. The wisdom of the flesh produces fear, hatred, disgust or avoidance; or, equally dangerous fleshly wisdom might advocate homosexuality as a legitimate lifestyle or even encourage it among teens. Grace looks at homosexuality with compassion, the compassion of Jesus.

The debate of whether or not homosexuality is genetic or environmental is a distraction from the devastating spiritual effects homosexuality has on a man’s heart. The nature-nurture argument has nothing to do with the church showing God’s compassion and love, it is a fleshly interchange which blinds us to the spiritual. The genesis of homosexuality merely fuels my empathy and understanding for these men; it is not a justification or reason to change what God wants under a thinly disguised veil of genetics. The origins of homosexuality do not negate their spiritual needs nor do they stop me from loving them as much as God has loved me.

So let’s not lump our struggling brothers with the “rainbow flag waving,” in-your-face, pro-gay herd. These two are as different as night and day. It is God who knows the hearts of man, and we don’t know to whom he is going to lead us. If we are willing to speak the words of hope and salvation as God moves us, then we will see God working powerfully in their lives (and ours). When we are a people of the Spirit, we are led by the Spirit and exhibit the fruits of the Spirit. Rejection is not a fruit of the Spirit but patience is. When we exhibit patience, we are showing someone the Spirit. The same goes for gentleness. And love. Homosexuality is a spiritual battle in spiritual realms, not a fleshly fight man against man.

So what can we do? God has given us a spirit of power when facing the challenges of our culture. We are equipped with his wisdom as he guides us to minister to those who are sexually confused and broken. Our first step in dealing with this issue is to get into the Spirit, to shed our own fleshly thoughts and feelings about the matter and allow God to be the guide. Through daily praise, worship, and prayer, we become more aware of what God wants from us. It is only then that we are equipped to handle the spiritual issues in our communities and churches. When we approach these men in a Spirit of love, God’s love will transform them. Remember, the work is God’s, not ours. Before addressing the brokenness in others, we must defeat all the responses of our own flesh. Our thoughts and feelings about helping others must take a back seat to what God wants from us. Pray first that God will give you the words to say and the actions that he wants you to take ... this is not about you. It is about God using you to minister to another.

Next, watch your fleshly reaction toward those who struggle with sexual identity in your expressions of prejudice, coarse joking and hateful speech. Remember that the enemy is Satan and demonic forces of lust, self pity, hopelessness, and deception. Worldly responses of anger, disgust, shame, ridicule, fear, or humiliation (our “natural” responses) merely feed the flesh, making the issue worse. Referring to these men in derogatory terms—such as queer, fag, sissy or pervert—only compounds the shame and guilt they already feel. When we do that, we are Satan’s tools working to drive a wedge between a hurt and rejected people and the redeeming love that can save them. However, a response of love, acceptance, gentleness, empathy, and patience serves to overcome the flesh in ourselves and in those we serve or those to whom we minister. This is the grace of God working in a grace-filled people. Then, befriend those who are in need of grace. Verbalize your acceptance and love for him. Show physical affection. Be confidential, so he can trust you. Invite him to a ballgame or concert. Extravagantly express God’s love for him or her. Because God has gone to great lengths to pursue you, showing mercy, go and do likewise.

Tell him or her you will pray on a daily basis and then pray. Pray for your ability to minister. Ministry isn’t pretty, and the people who come to Christ need help to grind down the rough edges. Unfortunately, many Christian men who struggle with homosexual issues thought God would totally change their sexual orientation at conversion—only to find it was still there. Conversion merely begins the process of change—it is volunteering to let God begin his work in our lives. God works using brothers and sisters in Christ to bring about change in a struggler’s life through love, acceptance, affection, and bearing his burdens with him.

It is important to mention what not to do since sometimes we have a tendency to do what is not helpful. Don’t order, command, give advice (regurgitate things that haven’t worked for you), warn, threaten, make suggestions, argue, lecture, fix, persuade with logic, moralize, preach to, criticize, blame, shame, ridicule, ignore, analyze, interpret, give unsolicited solutions, reassure that everything will be OK, question, withdraw, distract, humor, or change the subject. Don’t scold or tell them they should be ashamed of themselves (they already likely have a Master’s degree in shame). Don’t tell him that if he would “just pray about it” that it will go away or that if he will just go to church that he will magically be fixed. Don’t run screaming into the night when you find out about his struggle, call him names, or gossip (sometimes in the form of a prayer request).

Just listen. After you listen, ask if you can pray for him. Cry with his pain. Touch him with an empathetic hand. Tell him that you can see the pain and shame on his face and hear it in his voice. Say, “Thank you for trusting me enough to share the greatest burden of your life with me. It is a privilege to be your brother.” Verbalize your acceptance and love for him every time you see him. If he asks for help, refer him to a recovery ministry or Christian mental health worker. Offer to go with him to his meetings if he wants you to.

If you—man or woman—struggle with same-sex attraction, there are some things you can do to help yourself. Get help and support for your struggle. Doing it alone is a recipe for no change at all. Open up to others as God leads you. In the sidebar are organizations that offer ministry and resources for those who want to change.

I teach men to use Romans 10:9: That if we confess with our mouth that ‘Jesus is Lord’ and believe in our hearts he was raised from the dead, we will be saved. We are not only saved in the end, but we are saved today. We are saved from sexual lust by declaring “Jesus is Lord over my sexual desire.” “Jesus is Lord over my body.” “Jesus is Lord over my fear.” Christ’s power is necessary to overcome the things of the flesh. Use the tools God has given us.

Men and women who struggle with same-sex attraction ought not to be outcasts in the church. We all have fallen short, and we all depend on the mercy and grace of God. More than that, the mission is bringing Christ to broken people, men and women who have lost hope, who hide the pain and fear of their lives behind fragile facades of “OKness.” I am excited about the church ministering to the people God leads us to. God is leading his church into a battle for the hearts of men and women; we are the warriors on the front line of this fight.

Resources

People Can Change

NARTH

Exodus International resources for women and men

Regen Books resources for women and men

Love Won Out



Dr. Chris Austin is a licensed psychologist and pastoral counselor in private practice in Irving, Texas and the director of RENEW, a ministry for men who have unwanted homosexual thoughts and behaviors. To reach Dr. Christopher Austin, call Renew at (972) 986-0150

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ZOE Group Ministries > Wineskins > Archives > Desperate > Ministering to Those with Same-Sex Attractions

[dt1974]

why r priests always gay? I don't get it. They should be celibate for the lord or sumthing, no? strange world.

[kfrost06]

why r priests always gay? I don't get it. They should be celibate for the lord or sumthing, no? strange world.

It was NOT a priest and priest are not always gay.

[kfrost06]

Huh . . . it seems that a preacher trying to cure gays of homosexuality got caught fu-k-ng his customers (literally) and got a 7 year probated sentence.
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AS Queerty reported in a Sept. 6 posting, Chris Austin, a preacher with Renew Ministries, received seven years’ probation even though he was sentenced to a decade in prison. Austin was also fined $2,500.

Since you spend all your time reading gay publications(for the articles of course) you will find a lot of these type of articles. BTW what does the AS in AS QUEERTY stand for...on second thought, nevermind.

[kfrost06]

ZOE Group Ministries > Wineskins > Archives > Desperate > Ministering to Those with Same-Sex Attractions

What is this??? Is this your search criteria when web surfing?

[Logan13]

Haven't we been down this road before? Do I need to start publishing gay bashing "news" as well? We all know that your gay, we know about your hatred of religion, and we are all starting to figure out that you need to get a life. Move on!

[ftony]

Haven't we been down this road before? Do I need to start publishing gay bashing "news" as well? We all know that your gay, we know about your hatred of religion, and we are all starting to figure out that you need to get a life. Move on!

Agree,This guy has some type of mental problem or perhaps issue would be more polite.I don't mean that in a bad way ,just an observation of most of his threads ,makes me wonder what his motives are, and question his intentions....He must be a sad frustrated person living in a society that embraces religion. If I was to hate something so much that it consumed that much of my time,I would get some help...no Malice intended just an observation...Is it because religion rejects him ?Is he rebelling against religion,on a steroid forum???Man, im going to stop here ...

[Tock]

Since you spend all your time reading gay publications(for the articles of course) you will find a lot of these type of articles.

The Voice is the local (Dallas) gay newspaper, and being gay, of course I am a faithful reader. Since you're too far away to get the printed version, you can enjoy the online version at www.dallasvoice.com (I wouldn't have given you the website if I didn't like you).

BTW what does the AS in AS QUEERTY stand for...on second thought, nevermind.

No idea, really. Just some play on words, I suppose . . .






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Originally Posted by Tock
ZOE Group Ministries > Wineskins > Archives > Desperate > Ministering to Those with Same-Sex Attractions

What is this??? Is this your search criteria when web surfing?

No, it's what came up when I did a websearch on this nutcase.

[Tock]

Haven't we been down this road before? Do I need to start publishing gay bashing "news" as well? We all know that your gay, we know about your hatred of religion, and we are all starting to figure out that you need to get a life. Move on!

If you feel the need to post stuff as a way to retaliate, then sure, go ahead, and do your worst.

You'll find, however, that when a news story about a fallen right-wing Christian conservative is compared to a news story about a fallen gay liberal, you'll discover that the more interesting story will be the one about the fallen conservative. You'll agree, I'm sure, that a famous preacher who rails against drugs and immorality but pays for drugs and gay prostitutes will get more press than a gay congressman who cheats on his boyfriend.

You'll also discover that people will react a lot more to a story about an ultra-conservative right-wing anti-gay Republican US Senator who cruises men's rest rooms for sex, than to a story about gay clergyman who does the same thing.

One of the reasons I posted this story was for the irony -- the subject of the news story claims to be an ex-gay, reclaimed by the power of Jesus and changed into a heterosexual. But, it turns out, as with many other guys who claim to be ex-gays, that they're actually still having lots of gay sex. This turkey happened to be having sex with patients he was counseling, which is about as big a lapse of ethics as you can get, and this lapse of ethics comes from the sort of right-wing anti-gay Christian who claims to be more moral than gay people.
Ha.

Another reason I posted this was because a while back we had a minor controversy about this NARTH organization that this BS doctor was connected with, and all of its "Reparative Therapy" BS. Evidently practitioners of Reparative Therapy (which is a religious concept that has been denounced by the American Pyschiatric and American Psychological Associations as being harmful to patients) see no problem with screwing their patients; I thought I'd let this point be known.


Anyway, if you feel a need to post "gay bashing news," go right ahead.

[Teabagger]

Yes indeed Tock does seem to seethe with hatred for all organized religions, and contempt for believers. Ah Tock, Tock, Tock...

[Tock]

Agree,This guy has some type of mental problem or perhaps issue would be more polite.I don't mean that in a bad way ,just an observation of most of his threads ,makes me wonder what his motives are

It's a hobby, I guess. A topic of particular interest to me as a consequence of being gay, and for losing jobs (and other problems) because of it. I'd post more about politics and religion, but we don't have a politics & religion forum on this board any longer (it's just as well, too). But since this is a NEWS forum, and since news stories about right-wing anti-gay Republican Moral Giants who get caught looking for drugs and gay sex in airport restrooms IS interesting (and all the other crazy things that these "morally superior" Christians do), I'll continue to post these stories.
I hope you'll pardon me if I chuckle as I do so . . .

In short, my motives for posting stories that seem to embarrass Conservatives are (1) amusement, and (2) to show that all men are dogs when it comes to sex, and that the most revered clergyman and the most respectable Republican politician are, deep down, just as trashy as everyone else.

Ya, deep down, we're all the same. And we shouldn't forget that.

[Logan13]

It's a hobby, I guess. A topic of particular interest to me as a consequence of being gay, and for losing jobs (and other problems) because of it. I'd post more about politics and religion, but we don't have a politics & religion forum on this board any longer (it's just as well, too). But since this is a NEWS forum, and since news stories about right-wing anti-gay Republican Moral Giants who get caught looking for drugs and gay sex in airport restrooms IS interesting (and all the other crazy things that these "morally superior" Christians do), I'll continue to post these stories.
I hope you'll pardon me if I chuckle as I do so . . .

In short, my motives for posting stories that seem to embarrass Conservatives are (1) amusement, and (2) to show that all men are dogs when it comes to sex, and that the most revered clergyman and the most respectable Republican politician are, deep down, just as trashy as everyone else.

Ya, deep down, we're all the same. And we shouldn't forget that.

With all sincerity, those who make themselves feel better at the expense of others have more problems than those in the present spotlight. The spotlight on any one individual will fade away. Your personal demons will not. Just food for thought Tock.

[ftony]

It's a hobby, I guess. A topic of particular interest to me as a consequence of being gay, and for losing jobs (and other problems) because of it. I'd post more about politics and religion, but we don't have a politics & religion forum on this board any longer (it's just as well, too). But since this is a NEWS forum, and since news stories about right-wing anti-gay Republican Moral Giants who get caught looking for drugs and gay sex in airport restrooms IS interesting (and all the other crazy things that these "morally superior" Christians do), I'll continue to post these stories.
I hope you'll pardon me if I chuckle as I do so . . .

In short, my motives for posting stories that seem to embarrass Conservatives are (1) amusement, and (2) to show that all men are dogs when it comes to sex, and that the most revered clergyman and the most respectable Republican politician are, deep down, just as trashy as everyone else.

Ya, deep down, we're all the same. And we shouldn't forget that.

hobbies are good to have, but is what your doing really satisfying you in way of a hobby? I mean obviously there's no politicians on this steroid board to receive your reprimanding messages. There's just normal people practicing whatever faith keeps them positive. Your attempt to take that away from people, still baffles me. And the question remains and your motive is in question. Every walk of life has good and bad. You choose to single out Christians and commence your attack.. Because "morally superior "politicians? you can chuckle to yourself if that adds to your sinister mission to dishearten good Christians. Who has the issues here? Besides the sick people providing you with the material you lustfully seek... Good luck with your mission. I think Christianity is the largest religion in this country, and the fact that you choose a steroid forum as your message board for news... Your only... You guessed it, just spinning your wheels... No hard feelings ...

[BigLittleTim]

"Ya, deep down, we're all the same. And we shouldn't forget that."

We are not the same. The difference is that we mean them no harm. Can they say the same?

[Logan13]

"Ya, deep down, we're all the same. And we shouldn't forget that."

We are not the same. The difference is that we mean them no harm. Can they say the same?

Are you talking about the terrorists?

[Tock]

hobbies are good to have, but is what your doing really satisfying you in way of a hobby?

Well, maybe a better word would be Interest. This topic is an interest of mine, it's something I know about, and when it comes to talking about stuff, I prefer to talk about things that I know something about.
You are the beneficiary of my interest. Knowing that should help you sleep better tonight.

There's just normal people practicing whatever faith keeps them positive.

I have no problem with folks doing that, unless what they do interferes with my life.
If Christians decide that they're going to have heterosexual marriages, I'm fine with that. But if Christians act on their religion to prevent me from having a gay marriage, well, then they're pushing their religion off on me, and I'm not cool with that. Those are the people I heap scorn upon; those are the people who's hypocrisy and craziness I expose.

Yah, this is the sort of stuff that keeps me positive.

the question remains and your motive is in question. Every walk of life has good and bad. You choose to single out Christians and commence your attack..

I'd target anti-gay Muslims if there were any of them doing what anti-gay Christians have been doing. Or Bahai's, or Scientologists, or whatever.
Truth is, Christians have been responsible for 99.999% of the anti-gay BS in the US. And since I have a Christian background myself (a former Sunday School teacher), I have a pretty good understanding of not only homosexuality, but the Bible and fundamentalist Christian theology as well.

So, if you are not satisfied with my motive, well, then just assume that I do what I do for the hell of it, or that I do it for absolutely no reason whatsoever. Or make up a reason; I don't really care.

[Tock]

"Ya, deep down, we're all the same. And we shouldn't forget that."

We are not the same. The difference is that we mean them no harm. Can they say the same?

Y'know, that might not be absolutely true in my case.
Deep down, I want to tie up every obnoxious anti-gay heterosexual Christian fellow in tight leather straps and have my way with them over and over again, until they squeal with delight and call me "Daddy!"

Ya, that would be cool . . .

[dt1974]

it's doubtful a message board full of primarily str8 steroid injected males care about this type of post lol

just a thought lol

[Tock]

it's doubtful a message board full of primarily str8 steroid injected males care about this type of post lol

just a thought lol

True, true.

But the ones of us that are gay, ya, we find this stuff to be somewhat curious.