Rasmussen: Huckabee pulls within three points of the front-running Rudy Giuliani

[Kärnfysikern]

Abortion denies those people their freedom to live as well. Its like saying we killed those 1000 people and that was wrong but now that they are dead lets cut them up for research. Its wrong.

I dont believe there is anything wrong with defending yourself against those who are attacking or would attack you.

Well we are never going to anywhere in a abortion and embryo discussion But let me ask you this, if you had a sick child that could be cured by a method using embryonic stem cells, would you say no thanks? Because that is realy the bottom line.

[RA]

Not a fair question I think. Its like asking you if your wife/child were dying and all you had to do was go kill someone what would you do?

Well we are never going to anywhere in a abortion and embryo discussion But let me ask you this, if you had a sick child that could be cured by a method using embryonic stem cells, would you say no thanks? Because that is realy the bottom line.

[Dagron]

So thus far we have determined that, to our knowledge, the universe may have been created by an explosion... I fail to see what this has to do with ID versus evolution, which is the real subject most would take issue with. Whether or not a big bang occurred is irrelevant to the idea of evolution or ID, as it neither proves nor disproves either idea

[Kärnfysikern]

So thus far we have determined that, to our knowledge, the universe may have been created by an explosion... I fail to see what this has to do with ID versus evolution, which is the real subject most would take issue with. Whether or not a big bang occurred is irrelevant to the idea of evolution or ID, as it neither proves nor disproves either idea

Well I agree that it is irelevant to the ID vs evolution discussions i just replied when you brought it into the discussion

When it comes to evolution vs ID I dont get into that discussion simply because Im not a biologist. But evolution is as firm in biology as say quantum mechanics is in physics.

Not a fair question I think. Its like asking you if your wife/child were dying and all you had to do was go kill someone what would you do?

Well if the person in question isnt sentient and wont ever be sentient then yes I would kill him/her without remorse or doubt to save my wife.

[mcpeepants]

Fact is we are in Iraq and I 100% disagree with pulling out and leaving that country in chaos. Good, bad, or ugly we started a job and we need to see it through.

Another fact is if we pull out there is a 100% chance that they follow us back over and hit us. Why did 9/11 happen? Because we saved Kuwait? Because we support Israel? Boy, those are terrible.

What about overthrowing the democratic government of Iran back in 1953 and installing a brutal monarch all be he wanted to nationalize Iranian oil? What about supporting Saddam as he attacked Iran and used chemical weapons on Kurds and Iranian? What about supporting anti-democratic authoritarian presidents for life and monarchies in the middle east? What so terrible about that

[mcpeepants]

No one is denouncing all scietific research but there are those of us who think it should be eithical research and will vote accordingly.




Whether or not we gave money or favors those govts still agreed. It does not excuse the countless times we have been attacked. I dont believe for one second that the United States is the bad guy in all of this. They hit the wtc and killed 3000 people. Good enough for me..hit em all.

Again what about overthrowing the democratically elected Iranian regime, support Saddam when he was at his worst, and support anti-democratic regimes in the middle east?

[mcpeepants]

There has to be a line. I could go kill 1000 innocent people and figure out how to fix spine injuries. One could argue that those 1000 would save millions but I dont think like that.

I disagree with abortion 100% and to me hacking up embryos for stem cells is unethical. Its not even a religious thing...its a common sense thing.

It doesnt matter that it doesnt affect me. If I see the neighbor bashing his kids head against the wall Im going to go stop it because its the right thing to do.

Unless every "pro-life" woman is going to become the mother to this left over embryos at fertility clinics, they are essentially going to wind up in the trash. At least try advancing are medical knowledge instead from this embryos instead of tossing them in the heap.

[RA]

So we back different leaders when its in our interest, so what? Your right though, Iran has been a problem for over 50 years.

What about overthrowing the democratic government of Iran back in 1953 and installing a brutal monarch all be he wanted to nationalize Iranian oil? What about supporting Saddam as he attacked Iran and used chemical weapons on Kurds and Iranian? What about supporting anti-democratic authoritarian presidents for life and monarchies in the middle east? What so terrible about that

[RA]

If you dont get my point through the posts Ive written already then there is no explaining it to you.

Unless every "pro-life" woman is going to become the mother to this left over embryos at fertility clinics, they are essentially going to wind up in the trash. At least try advancing are medical knowledge instead from this embryos instead of tossing them in the heap.

[mcpeepants]

So we back different leaders when its in our interest, so what? Your right though, Iran has been a problem for over 50 years.

So that means we do bad things when it is in our interests. Well under the brutal Shah that we but in power instead of the democratically elected prime minister (don't we always talk about spreading democracy and freedom), Iran was are ally until he got popularly overthrown. This is the type of policy that creates enemies.

[mcpeepants]

If you dont get my point through the posts Ive written already then there is no explaining it to you.

If the embryos are not used, they will be thrown away. What do you want to be done with the left over embryos?

[RA]

I want them to be left in their mothers.

If the embryos are not used, they will be thrown away. What do you want to be done with the left over embryos?

[RA]

So we got hit on 9/11 because we supported the shah...sounds like your reaching.

So that means we do bad things when it is in our interests. Well under the brutal Shah that we but in power instead of the democratically elected prime minister (don't we always talk about spreading democracy and freedom), Iran was are ally until he got popularly overthrown. This is the type of policy that creates enemies.

[Flagg]

[QUOTE=Kärnfysikern;3728977]Well Shakespears works hasnt changed either and it still doesnt mean I will pic Shakespear over science Neither the bible nor shakespear can build rockets, nuclear power plants, computers, develop medicine ect. Its silly to put a work of fiction oposed to science in the way Huckabee does.

We should do everything we can do to keep science progressing ever faster.[/QUOTE]


100% AGREED! JOHAN for president! Seriously, I wonder what a president with a scientific background would be like..

Im sorry but for me, religion is the enemy of Science and is ultimately the enemy of progression.

[Flagg]

http://www.prosebeforehos.com/video-...o-vote-for-me/

Another reason why this Huckabee seems a little scary to me.

I wonder if he believes the Earth is flat?

[Tock]

It's not at all fair to characterize the bible as "fictional"

Sure it is, because much of what's in the Bible is indeed fiction. Like the story of the Hebrew exodus from Egypt, for instance. The Bible says the Hebrews outnumbered the Egyptians when they left, and that the Egyptian military was completely destroyed. Funny thing, but the only record of this somewhat conspicuous event ever happening is found in the Hebrew scriptures. You'd think that the historians of that time would have made mention of such a thing somewhere, but nope.

And the story of Noah's Ark? Figure out the total square footage of the Ark as mentioned in the Bible, and it comes out to about 2.5 acres. Now, try fitting two of every species of animal in this area, along with enough food and water to keep it alive for 14 months. And then explain how the kangaroos managed to swim to and from the Ark across the ocean from Australia without drowning.

Of course it's fiction. It also happens to have a few mentions of people and places from the past, but so what? "Gone With The Wind" mentions great cities of the southern US, but that doesn't change the fact that the story is fiction.

, historians have been trying for decades and decades to prove or disprove the bible even on a passage by passage basis to no avail

You haven't read too many of my posts, have you?

I fail to see what exactly would be so dangerous about someone who professes to be a Christian being a President, if they were to follow the book the way it is written

Sure, we can cancel all debts every seven years. That's something Teddy Roosevelt would do:
Deuteronomy, chapter 15--
1: At the end of every seven years thou shalt make a release.
2: And this is the manner of the release: Every creditor that lendeth ought unto his neighbour shall release it; he shall not exact it of his neighbour, or of his brother; because it is called the LORD's release.

And here's what the Bible tells us to do with the women in Iraq:
Deuteronomy chapter 21 --
10: When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive,
11: And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife;
12: Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails;
13: And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife.
14: And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her.


And then we can kill all the homosexuals:
Leviticus chapter 20 --
13: If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

. . . and then kill all the adulterers:
10: And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

. . . and then kill all the witches:
Exodus chapter 22:
18: Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

. . . and then kill all the heathens:
20: He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.

. . . and then kill all the sabbath-breakers:
2: Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.

. . . and of course, all the blasphemers will have to be killed, too:
Leviticus chapter 24
16: And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the LORD, shall be put to death.


Ya, I'm sure that's the sort of thing that would happen if the Bible was to be followed the way it is written. In fact, back in the US in the 1600's, that's exactly how things were run. Things changed a bit, thank goodness, back around 1700 after the Salem Witch Trials.

Maybe you wouldn't mind living like that, but not too many of the rest of us would.

[Tock]

So we got hit on 9/11 because we supported the shah...sounds like your reaching.

Not reaching at all.
The US supported the Shah, who in turn created a cruel secret police that pissed off the entire Iranian population, who blamed the US for their national nightmare, and responded by supporting the crazy Mullahs.
The US government supports Arab governments that are willing to do what's necessary to sell the US oil. Over the years, that meant the US supported governments that were cruel to their people, and now those folks are anti-USA. In 1947, the US supported taking land away from the Arab Palestinians to make a country for Israel. Those Arabs were as happy about that as Texans would be if the United Nations took 1/3 of Texas and made a country for Illegal Mexican Aliens.

So, ya, the US has indeed pissed off a lot of Arabs around the world. Lots of other people, too. It's just bad foreign policy that's intended to bring lots of oil to US consumers to feed our addiction to cheap energy. Sooner or later (probably sooner) those stupid foreign policies are going to come home to roost, and Americans are gonna have to pay the piper.

[Pooks]

We're all brainwashed, just leave us alone to our devices!