A racist dog and pony show, not progress imo

[mho]

Basically what it boils down to is some of you have this idea that Black people are lazy and sit around waiting for welfare chex. They dont work hard and dont do anything but blame white people.
In retrospect, those like myself have to work twice as hard because of that thinking and those stereotypes.
Come to the Bottom and take a stroll through, No one is gonna mug you or throw a gang sign in your face and pull a drive by. The media gives most people their train of thought.
I dont care what color anyone is. I love everyone!

I can understand your frustration, but don't blame it on whites, or anybody else for that matter. There's a reason there are so many widely accepted pejorative stereotypes. The nation didn't wake up one day and decide that blacks were going to be labeled as lazy. I know that no race is lazy by nature. I think the problem with blacks in America is that many of them "do what the fvck they want to". I don't know why this is, but I think music that talks about the glorious life of dropping out of school and getting hoes, macs, crack sacks and cadillacs does more harm than good.

Back on the original subject, articles like this inspire racism. The more people hear about how blacks think they've been victimized (even if it's true), the more obnoxious the whole thing becomes. Considering the demographics of the US, if you're a black host and the overwhelming majority of your guests are black, you're sending a really REALLY bad message to the public. This obviously doesn't apply to a white president that invited a majority white crowd, because it makes sense to have a guest list that is representative of the population.

[vpchill]

I can understand your frustration, but don't blame it on whites, or anybody else for that matter. There's a reason there are so many widely accepted pejorative stereotypes. The nation didn't wake up one day and decide that blacks were going to be labeled as lazy. I know that no race is lazy by nature. I think the problem with blacks in America is that many of them "do what the fvck they want to". I don't know why this is, but I think music that talks about the glorious life of dropping out of school and getting hoes, macs, crack sacks and cadillacs does more harm than good.

Back on the original subject, articles like this inspire racism. The more people hear about how blacks think they've been victimized (even if it's true), the more obnoxious the whole thing becomes. Considering the demographics of the US, if you're a black host and the overwhelming majority of your guests are black, you're sending a really REALLY bad message to the public. This obviously doesn't apply to a white president that invited a majority white crowd, because it makes sense to have a guest list that is representative of the population.

I have to agree with you on both to a point. Your reference to media is exactly my point. The stereotypes are media driven. Not many people can actually say they know a Lazy black person on welfare who has 2 cars with rims and gold teeth. Let a rap video tell it and this is what people are elad to believe. This is entertainment. its a downgrade but it purley entertainment. Same as songs like Cop K***er and F**k da police. We will not actually go out and try to kill a Cop but the song vents the frustration of many. It is entertainment.
90% of the music speaks on dreams of how that person would like to live, how they see life in a better way. It may sound dumb but some people are so poor that a cadillac with rims, getting hoes crak and sak as you said is better life than what they actually have. To that individual, That doesnt represent everyone. Are we to beleive that Marylin manson represents all white people? Or Howard stern speaks for all of you? No, Yet I feel Minorities get boxed in with these sterotypes.
What do you always hear when You see a car with too many people??
- Man they fit in there like a bunch of mexicans.
What does that mean? Mexicans squeeze alot of people in the house or car? Who did the study on this? Yet we follow the stereotype. I just feel media plays a bigger role in how we look at other races and cultures.

[quarry206]

one thing about katrina that many people fail to point out.... one of the reasons tourist places and downtown areas of new Orleans and bay st louis (ground zero of the landfall).. why those places are done first is because the first people that do the clean up is military engineers. .. it is against the law for a soldier on title 10 federal orders to step onto private property unless in the direct act of trying to save a life, or help with the first aide of a victim in fear of losing life, limb or eyesight...

alot of new orleans and missisippi was cleaned up first because it was state or federal land, and military soldiers worked day and night to clean up and clear roads.. and i can personally speak as somebody that was there, we had to sneak behind or commanders back just to help somebody clear a tree off their house... its not that we didn't want to help everybody, its laws that stopped us..


and about the article, i see nothing wrong with what ms obama has done.. yes it is very one sided, but maybe she feels she needs to be that role model.. it is very rare for there to be a powerful black woman in america. and she wants to show young black girls that they need to get up and make their own path.... true, i really hope she doesn't only reach out to black young females.. but i don't fault her for trying to be a positive role model to a group of kids she feels needs to be shown a brighter future. my step daughter is black, and i would hope she would look up to somebody like her as a sign you can do what you set your mind to....

[mho]

I have to agree with you on both to a point. Your reference to media is exactly my point. The stereotypes are media driven. Not many people can actually say they know a Lazy black person on welfare who has 2 cars with rims and gold teeth. Let a rap video tell it and this is what people are elad to believe. This is entertainment. its a downgrade but it purley entertainment. Same as songs like Cop K***er and F**k da police. We will not actually go out and try to kill a Cop but the song vents the frustration of many. It is entertainment.
90% of the music speaks on dreams of how that person would like to live, how they see life in a better way. It may sound dumb but some people are so poor that a cadillac with rims, getting hoes crak and sak as you said is better life than what they actually have. To that individual, That doesnt represent everyone. Are we to beleive that Marylin manson represents all white people? Or Howard stern speaks for all of you? No, Yet I feel Minorities get boxed in with these sterotypes.
What do you always hear when You see a car with too many people??
- Man they fit in there like a bunch of mexicans.What does that mean? Mexicans squeeze alot of people in the house or car? Who did the study on this? Yet we follow the stereotype. I just feel media plays a bigger role in how we look at other races and cultures.

lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhQir...eature=related

[vpchill]

^^^^ LMAOOO. Exactly

[Lightsout2184]

Yea, So why not change the status quo? Why do the same old thing thats always been done? It should be applauded that she brought diversity. I also hope that the students were those from innercity schools who usually would have no chance to attend such an event.
How can we expect youth to believe in Govt and they never get a chance to see it for themselves?

u missed the whole point if barbara bush had 80 percent non black reps thats realistic because that is closer to our countries ratio.

oh and i love what obama did in Iraq. remember when he got elected he was gonna make all these changes........ oh wait he decided to stick with the exact same plan bush had put in place.

[quarry206]

u missed the whole point if barbara bush had 80 percent non black reps thats realistic because that is closer to our countries ratio.

oh and i love what obama did in Iraq. remember when he got elected he was gonna make all these changes........ oh wait he decided to stick with the exact same plan bush had put in place.

there is a lot of flaws in that comment..... i'm not saying what obama has or is doing is for the better or worse, not for me to judge, because honestly i don't care. . but obama did change a lot of the timeline.. the only thing he has stuck by is something he can not legally break which is the status of force agreement (SOFA). which is actually not the americans call, its the iraqi government.. but why did this even become an attack on president obama??


and to your comment about the countries ratio, you are very right. and i think that most people do not realize the racial break down of america is still very one-sided. but i also believe this thread has become very twisted based on a very bias article... the point is there is nothing wrong with what the first lady did.. i truely do, like alot of people, hope she does not ONLY reach out to black people. but lets be honest the first lady said from the beginning she wanted to reach out to inner city black kids, so why now that she is actually doing that do we have a problem?? is the real issue here not race but we as americans are so use to people lying to us that we get mad when they actually do what they said they were going to do because its not something you liked in the first place...

[eliteforce]

In the 1st example:
One place that difference is already showing up: the White House guest list. When Michelle held a daylong program for Women's History Month in March, white celebs Sheryl Crow and Fran Drescher were among the invited "role models." But "I would say that 80 percent of the women role models were African-American," says Debra Lee, chairman and CEO of BET Holdings, who was asked to speak. "And that was just amazing to be a part of because these women are just not given that type of recognition enough."

These women were fanned out to talk to students at D.C. schools.
Most of the population of the DC area they were visiting is poor and black (WDC is at least 60% black, but take out more affluent areas and it's more); that is why they invited predominantly black role models for that event-they want the kids to relate to the role models and a bunch of white and Asian successful women showing up could give the kids the impression that success is nearly impossible for people like them. It's not they were being racist it's just that they're trying to help.

In the second example..it is absolutely normal for event coordinators to move people around and try to get a diverse crowd, happens all the time, all politicians do it and it's no big deal, it certainly doesn't mean there is racism at play.

[Kratos]

In the 1st example:
One place that difference is already showing up: the White House guest list. When Michelle held a daylong program for Women's History Month in March, white celebs Sheryl Crow and Fran Drescher were among the invited "role models." But "I would say that 80 percent of the women role models were African-American," says Debra Lee, chairman and CEO of BET Holdings, who was asked to speak. "And that was just amazing to be a part of because these women are just not given that type of recognition enough."

These women were fanned out to talk to students at D.C. schools.
Most of the population of the DC area they were visiting is poor and black (WDC is at least 60% black, but take out more affluent areas and it's more); that is why they invited predominantly black role models for that event-they want the kids to relate to the role models and a bunch of white and Asian successful women showing up could give the kids the impression that success is nearly impossible for people like them. It's not they were being racist it's just that they're trying to help.

In the second example..it is absolutely normal for event coordinators to move people around and try to get a diverse crowd, happens all the time, all politicians do it and it's no big deal, it certainly doesn't mean there is racism at play.

The idea that role models to black people must be black is a racist idea. And if she was trying to do good, why only in black areas? Should she have an event next year sending white speakers out to rural schools? Seperate but equal, ever hear that term before?

If white people don't continue to demand representation then eventually they will be pushed out. All the liberal media needs to do is find an intercity youth that says "now this makes me feel like I can do anything." The liberal hearts bleed and melt and we continue to tolerate this seperation of races.

Now I'm not saying whites have had it as bad as blacks by any means. I'm not saying helping intercity youths is a bad thing. I surely don't think top level positions can only be filled by whites. Maybe we shouldn't be so critical of Michelle since DC is her new home city and she needs to help the poor of her own city. Her actions are always suspect in my mind because of views she has expressed durring the election, in the past, and so far how she has been on the diversity soap box....

[Kratos]

if anyone needs proof they have a racist 1st lady they need only turn to her princeton thesis...a thesis that was gaurded until after the election.

Michelle Obama thesis was on racial divide

Michelle Obama's senior year thesis at Princeton University, obtained from the campaign by Politico, shows a document written by a young woman grappling with a society in which a black Princeton alumnus might only be allowed to remain "on the periphery." Read the full thesis here: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4.

"My experiences at Princeton have made me far more aware of my 'blackness' than ever before," the future Mrs. Obama wrote in her thesis introduction. "I have found that at Princeton, no matter how liberal and open-minded some of my white professors and classmates try to be toward me, I sometimes feel like a visitor on campus; as if I really don't belong. Regardless of the circumstances underwhich I interact with whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, I will always be black first and a student second."

The thesis, titled "Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community" and written under her maiden name, Michelle LaVaughn Robinson, in 1985, has been the subject of much conjecture on the blogosphere and elsewhere in recent weeks, as it has been "temporarily withdrawn" from Princeton's library until after this year's presidential election in November. Some of the material has been written about previously, however, including a story last year in the Newark Star Ledger.

Obama writes that the path she chose by attending Princeton would likely lead to her "further integration and/or assimilation into a white cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full participant."

During a presidential contest in which the term "transparency" has been frequently bandied about, candidates have buried a number of potentially revealing documents and papers. In Hillary Rodham Clinton's case, there's been a clamoring for tax records, White House memos and other material the candidate's team has chosen to keep from release. The 96-page Princeton thesis, restricted from release by the school's Mudd Library, has also been the subject of recent scrutiny.

Earlier this week, commentator Jonah Goldberg remarked on National Review Online, "A reader in the know informs me that Michelle Obama's thesis ... is unavailable until Nov. 5, 2008, at the Princeton library. I wonder why."

"Why a restricted thesis?" asked blogger-pastor Louis Lapides on his site Thinking Outside the Blog. "Is the concern based on what's in the thesis? Will Michelle Obama appear to be too black for white America or not black enough for black America?"

Attempts to retrieve the document through Princeton proved unsuccessful, with school librarians having been pestered so much for access to the thesis that they have resorted to reading from a script when callers inquire about it. Media officers at the prestigious university were similarly unhelpful, claiming it is "not unusual" for a thesis to be restricted and refusing to discuss "the academic work of alumni."


The Obama campaign, however, quickly responded to a request for the thesis by Politico. The thesis offers several fascinating insights into the mind of Michelle Obama, who has been a passionate advocate of her husband's presidential aspirations and who has made several controvesial statements, including this week's remark, "For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country." That comment has fueled debate on countless blogs, radio talk shows and cable news for days on end, causing her to explain the statement in greater detail.

The 1985 thesis provides a trove of Michelle Obama's thoughts as a young woman, with many of the paper's statements describing the student's world as seen through a race-based prism.

"In defining the concept of identification or the ability to identify with the black community," the Princeton student wrote, "I based my definition on the premise that there is a distinctive black culture very different from white culture." Other thesis statements specifically pointed to what was seen by the future Mrs. Obama as racially insensitive practices in a university system populated with mostly Caucasian educators and students: "Predominately white universities like Princeton are socially and academically designed to cater to the needs of the white students comprising the bulk of their enrollments."

To illustrate the latter statement, she pointed out that Princeton (at the time) had only five black tenured professors on its faculty, and its "Afro-American studies" program "is one of the smallest and most understaffed departments in the university." In addition, she said only one major university-recognized group on campus was "designed specifically for the intellectual and social interests of blacks and other third world students." (Her findings also stressed that Princeton was "infamous for being racially the most conservative of the Ivy League universities.")

Perhaps one of the most germane subjects approached in the thesis is a section in which she conveyed views about political relations between black and white communities. She quotes the work of sociologists James Conyers and Walter Wallace, who discussed "integration of black official(s) into various aspects of politics" and notes "problems which face these black officials who must persuade the white community that they are above issues of race and that they are representing all people and not just black people," as opposed to creating "two separate social structures."

To research her thesis, the future Mrs. Obama sent an 18-question survey to a sampling of 400 black Princeton graduates, requesting the respondents define the amount of time and "comfort" level spent interacting with blacks and whites before they attended the school, as well as during and after their University years. Other questions dealt with their individual religious beliefs, living arrangements, careers, role models, economic status, and thoughts about lower class blacks. In addition, those surveyed were asked to choose whether they were more in line with a "separationist and/or pluralist" viewpoint or an "integrationist and/or assimilationist" ideology.

Just under 90 alums responded to the questionnaires (for a response rate of approximately 22 percent) and the conclusions were not what she expected. "I hoped that these findings would help me conclude that despite the high degree of identification with whites as a result of the educational and occupational path that black Princeton alumni follow, the alumni would still maintain a certain level of identification with the black community. However, these findings do not support this possibility."


http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.c...5E33B3C0F4E64B
includes links to the entire paper

[Kratos]

"Earlier in my college career there was no doubt in my mind that somehow as a memeber of the black community I was somehow obligated to this community and would use all my present and future resources to benifit this community first and foremost. My experiences at Princeton have made me far more aware of my "blackness" then ever before."

Does it get any more clear then that, she doesn't represent all Americans?
change the word black to white and blackness to whiteness and re-read, because somehow that makes it more toxic
and try reading through the whole paper doing the same

[eliteforce]

As far as her thesis in 1985, I don't see a big deal with that, she was basically saying that there were not alot of blacks at princeton and maybe there should be more of them there..there is no suggestion of quotas or affirmative action and this is only a paper done by a college student in 1985..now 'politico' is nitpicking, a college thesis is supposed to raise some questions and provoke some controversy w/o being too negative or extreme or too politically correct, or too boring or pointless.. You will not get a good grade if your paper runs on w/o making any points or raising any questions and the professor looses interest while reading it..my guess is she was just trying to get a good grade and she did.

AND they didn't go to only black areas with only black role models, they went with 80% black role models-which was consistent with the general demographic in the WDC area they were doing this in, and this is only 1 event, but they probably went to the poorer areas more than affluent areas.. simply because those students need more help..
I'm sure michelle obama has done a similar thing in LA or florida when she travels with her husband, and in those campaigns there is going to be a higher percentage of hispanic 'role models' etc.

The bigger problem imo in america is that the government provides little resources to the inner cities, and these areas fall into a depressed state with high crime and low opportunity, typically an American city has a downtown area surrounded by poor areas and then the suburbs. The bloated military budget in the US benefits non black and hispanic areas .. defense contractors and their big salaries are not in black areas.

The idea that role models to black people must be black is a racist idea. And if she was trying to do good, why only in black areas? Should she have an event next year sending white speakers out to rural schools? Seperate but equal, ever hear that term before?

If white people don't continue to demand representation then eventually they will be pushed out. All the liberal media needs to do is find an intercity youth that says "now this makes me feel like I can do anything." The liberal hearts bleed and melt and we continue to tolerate this seperation of races.

Now I'm not saying whites have had it as bad as blacks by any means. I'm not saying helping intercity youths is a bad thing. I surely don't think top level positions can only be filled by whites. Maybe we shouldn't be so critical of Michelle since DC is her new home city and she needs to help the poor of her own city. Her actions are always suspect in my mind because of views she has expressed durring the election, in the past, and so far how she has been on the diversity soap box....

[Hunter]

As far as her thesis in 1985, I don't see a big deal with that, she was basically saying that there were not alot of blacks at princeton and maybe there should be more of them there..there is no suggestion of quotas or affirmative action and this is only a paper done by a college student in 1985..now 'politico' is nitpicking, a college thesis is supposed to raise some questions and provoke some controversy w/o being too negative or extreme or too politically correct, or too boring or pointless.. You will not get a good grade if your paper runs on w/o making any points or raising any questions and the professor looses interest while reading it..my guess is she was just trying to get a good grade and she did.

AND they didn't go to only black areas with only black role models, they went with 80% black role models-which was consistent with the general demographic in the WDC area they were doing this in, and this is only 1 event, but they probably went to the poorer areas more than affluent areas.. simply because those students need more help..
I'm sure michelle obama has done a similar thing in LA or florida when she travels with her husband, and in those campaigns there is going to be a higher percentage of hispanic 'role models' etc.

The bigger problem imo in america is that the government provides little resources to the inner cities, and these areas fall into a depressed state with high crime and low opportunity, typically an American city has a downtown area surrounded by poor areas and then the suburbs. The bloated military budget in the US benefits non black and hispanic areas .. defense contractors and their big salaries are not in black areas.

What about rural areas? Come to my neck of the woods and let me drive you around or better yet come with me down to West Virginia and I will show you some poverty. I dont understand why alot of black people make poverty a racial thing poverty effects every race. You wanna talk about unrepresented people look at poor rural white america. Politicians could give a shit about them. I dont understand why poverty has to be a race thing. The reason they dont get the same media attention as other racial groups is they dont expect the goverment to help them.

[quarry206]

What about rural areas? Come to my neck of the woods and let me drive you around or better yet come with me down to West Virginia and I will show you some poverty. I dont understand why alot of black people make poverty a racial thing poverty effects every race. You wanna talk about unrepresented people look at poor rural white america. Politicians could give a shit about them. I dont understand why poverty has to be a race thing. The reason they dont get the same media attention as other racial groups is they dont expect the goverment to help them.

i totally agree with you there, most people don't realize on a national avg black house holds avg a higher income than white house holds... it is a myth that poverty is an inner city only problem..

nonetheless, BOTH groups do need more support from our government, no need to spend 16 billion a month on a war, when we can't support our own people

[Kratos]

As far as her thesis in 1985, I don't see a big deal with that, she was basically saying that there were not alot of blacks at princeton and maybe there should be more of them there..there is no suggestion of quotas or affirmative action and this is only a paper done by a college student in 1985..now 'politico' is nitpicking, a college thesis is supposed to raise some questions and provoke some controversy w/o being too negative or extreme or too politically correct, or too boring or pointless.. You will not get a good grade if your paper runs on w/o making any points or raising any questions and the professor looses interest while reading it..my guess is she was just trying to get a good grade and she did.

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Of course you don't see a problem
You've made your view on white people clear in the past.

Clearly you didn't read the paper...it had nothing to do with there not being enough black people at Princeton. It was about the horrible notion of black people actually integrating in white society. That they become somehow less black and aren't doing enough to help the "black community."

Politico isn't 'nitpicking' they offered little comentary and gave access to the whole paper for you to make up your own mind. It was a paper that was removed from the library so it wouldn't surface durring the election. For the simple reason that it's disgusting.

It's nothing but poisionous racist thinking coming from the pen of the first lady of the United States. And the notion that it isn't news in my mind makes the double standand between blacks and whites quite clear.

I'll just be a memeber of the KKK and then run for president 20 years later...ridiculous.

My college thesis was on Cystic Fibrosis, a paper I'm still proud of today almost 10 years later. She had a choice in topic and content. This is what she was inspired to write about. If the white enviroment at Princeton made her more racist and in touch with her "blackness". I wonder what working in corperate America did. At what point in the last 20 years do you think she stopped being a racist, or being proud of her college thesis.

The paper is disgusting, and it sickens me that white people are expected to accept their first lady would submit that to be published.
I expected you to minimize her racism though, because you're an ass.

[Hunter]

Of course you don't see a problem
You've made your view on white people clear in the past.

Clearly you didn't read the paper...it had nothing to do with there not being enough black people at Princeton. It was about the horrible notion of black people actually integrating in white society. That they become somehow less black and aren't doing enough to help the "black community."

Politico isn't 'nitpicking' they offered little comentary and gave access to the whole paper for you to make up your own mind. It was a paper that was removed from the library so it wouldn't surface durring the election. For the simple reason that it's disgusting.

It's nothing but poisionous racist thinking coming from the pen of the first lady of the United States. And the notion that it isn't news in my mind makes the double standand between blacks and whites quite clear.

I'll just be a memeber of the KKK and then run for president 20 years later...ridiculous.

My college thesis was on Cystic Fibrosis, a paper I'm still proud of today almost 10 years later. She had a choice in topic and content. This is what she was inspired to write about. If the white enviroment at Princeton made her more racist and in touch with her "blackness". I wonder what working in corperate America did. At what point in the last 20 years do you think she stopped being a racist, or being proud of her college thesis.

The paper is disgusting, and it sickens me that white people are expected to accept their first lady would submit that to be published.
I expected you to minimize her racism though, because you're an ass.

Ecellent post! There is a clear double standard in being proud of your racial heritage in the united states. Any black person is more then welcome to be extremely proud of there heritage. However in my case if I fly a confederate flag(southern heritage) I am a hillbilly,white trash, redneck racist. I am extremely proud of my heritage, yet from the time I hit school, I was taught it was something to be ashamed of, well any black student she be extremely proud of every thing his race has ever done.

[quarry206]

Ecellent post! There is a clear double standard in being proud of your racial heritage in the united states. Any black person is more then welcome to be extremely proud of there heritage. However in my case if I fly a confederate flag(southern heritage) I am a hillbilly,white trash, redneck racist. I am extremely proud of my heritage, yet from the time I hit school, I was taught it was something to be ashamed of, well any black student she be extremely proud of every thing his race has ever done.

you know though i don't like the confederate flag, because of what people "think" it means.. i do totally agree with you once again that the confederate flag has nothing to do with with racism, now it has become a symbol of racism, but that is because of our school systems teaching kids that the civil war was only about freeing the slaves. your avg high school student in america would say that because its what they are taught..

i don't think what the first lady did was wrong, it would be wrong if she only went on in this pattern... but i do think we all have hit on the issue that the underlining problem is the concept of racism vs pride and how those concepts are taught at a young age. and how 90percent or higher of our country assumes things about race instead of learning it for themselves.

[eliteforce]

right, that is a myth that is taught in US schools that the civil war was fought to free blacks from slavery when that was just propaganda used against the south and the real issue was preventing the central government from loosing power..
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I was just reading the description of Michelle Obamas paper that was posted here w/o reading the paper from 1985, ok so it's something about the lack of integration of the black minority in a predominantly rich white school, but obviously you exaggerating when you start screaming racist, disgusting! give it a rest, i havn't heard anyone else making such a big deal about this college paper from 1985 as you are, politico isn't flying off the handle with it.

Racism isn't just a bad attitude, often in the media theres this over drama like when imus says 'nappy headed whore' or when kramer calls someone a niger for heckling his standup comedy act.. racism is usually called out when there is a policy of exclusion, particularly excluding a people that are generally dis-privileged from jobs or places that are higher society or bad hiring practices.. with the exception of a few affirmative action programs (which have been on the wane in recent years) ; where is this 'racism' against white people in America?

[SMCengineer]

you know though i don't like the confederate flag, because of what people "think" it means.. i do totally agree with you once again that the confederate flag has nothing to do with with racism, now it has become a symbol of racism, but that is because of our school systems teaching kids that the civil war was only about freeing the slaves. your avg high school student in america would say that because its what they are taught..

Incorrect. The average high schooler would say the equivalent of: "what was the Civil War again?"

right, that is a myth that is taught in US schools that the civil war was fought to free blacks from slavery when that was just propaganda used against the south and the real issue was preventing the central government from loosing power..

In all truth, was this serious or facetious? It is the internet after all and sometimes difficult to decifer.