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    Afghanistan: A war of lies

    AFGHANISTAN: A WAR OF LIES
    - October 12, 2009
    President Barack Obama and Congress are wrestling with widening the war in Afghanistan. After eight years of military operations costing US $236 billion, the US commander in Afghanistan just warned of the threat of `failure,’ aka defeat.

    Truth is war’s first casualty. The Afghan War’s biggest untruth is, `we’ve got to fight terrorists over there so we don’t have to fight them at home.’ Politicians and generals keep using this canard to justify a war they can’t otherwise explain or justify.

    Many North Americans still buy this lie because they believe the 9/11 attacks came directly from the Afghanistan-based al-Qaida and Taliban movements.

    Not true. The 9/11 attacks were planned in Germany and Spain, and conducted mainly by US-based Saudis to punish America for supporting Israel’s repression of the Palestinians.

    Taliban, a militant religious, anti-Communist movement of Pashtun tribesmen, was totally surprised by 9/11. Osama bin Laden, on whom 9/11 is blamed, was in Afghanistan as a guest because he was a national hero for fighting the Soviets in the 1980’s and was aiding Taliban’s struggle against the Afghan Communist-dominated Northern ******** afterwards.

    Taliban received US aid until May, 2001. The CIA was planning to use Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaida to stir up Muslim Uighurs against Chinese rule, and to employ Taliban against Russia’s Central Asian allies. Most of the so-called `terrorist training camps’ in Afghanistan were being run by Pakistani intelligence to prepare mujahidin fighters for combat in Indian-held Kashmir.

    In 2001, Al-Qaida only numbered 300 members. Most have since been killed. A handful escaped to Pakistan. Only a few remain in Afghanistan. Yet President Obama insists 68,000 or more US troops must stay in Afghanistan to fight al-Qaida and prevent extremists from re-acquiring `terrorist training camps.’

    This claim, like Saddam’s non-existent weapons of mass destruction, is a handy slogan to market war to the public. Today, half of Afghanistan is under Taliban control. Anti-American militants could more easily use Somalia, Indonesia, Bangladesh, North and West Africa, or Sudan. They don’t need remote Afghanistan. The 9/11 attacks were planned in apartments, not camps.

    However backwards and oafish its Pashtun tribesmen, they have no desire or interest in attacking America. Taliban are the sons of the US-backed mujahidin who defeated the Soviets in the 1980’s. Taliban never was America’s enemy. Instead of invading Afghanistan in 2001, the US should have paid Taliban to uproot al-Qaida – as I wrote in the Los Angeles Times in 2001.

    The Pashtun tribes want to end foreign occupation and drive out the Afghan Communists and drug lords, who now dominate the US-installed Kabul regime. But the US has blundered into a full-scale war not just with Taliban, but with most of Afghanistan’s fierce Pashtun tribes, who comprise over half the population.

    This conflict is now spreading into Pashtun regions of Pakistan. Last week, the US Ambassador in Islamabad actually called for US air and missile attacks on the Pakistan’s city of Quetta, where some senior Taliban figures are said to be located.

    The US is sinking ever deeper into the South Asian morass. Washington is trying to arm-twist Pakistan into being more obedient and widening the war against its own independent-minded Pashtun tribes - wrongly called `Taliban.’

    Washington’s incredibly ham-handed efforts to use US $7.5 billion to bribe Pakistan’s feeble, corrupt government and army, take control of military promotions, and get some sort of control over Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal, sparked a firestorm of anger. Pakistan’s soldiers are on the verge of revolt.

    So, too, Washington’s plans to build a 1,000-person fortress embassy in Islamabad, a consulate in Peshawar that will clearly serve as an intelligence base, and the deployment of growing numbers of US mercenaries in Pakistan.

    It’s all a neat circle. Washington says it will need more personnel and a bigger embassy to supervise the distribution of the increased aid to Pakistan, and more mercenaries (aka `contractors’) to protect them.

    President Obama has been under intense pressure to expand the war from flag-waving Republicans, much of the media, and the hawkish national security establishment. Israel’s supporters, including many Congressional Democrats, want to see the US seize Pakistan’s nuclear arms and expand the Afghan war into Iran. Israel’s hawkish foreign minister, Avigdor Lieberman, recently identified Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iran as the main threats to Israel.

    President Obama should admit Taliban is not and never was a threat to the west; that the wildly exaggerated al-Qaida has been mostly eradicated; and that the US-led war in Afghanistan is causing more damage to US interests in the Muslim world – now 25% of all humanity – than Bin Laden and his few rag-tag allies. The bombing in Madrid and London, and conspiracy in Toronto, were all horribly wrongheaded protests by young Muslims against the Afghan War.

    We are not going to change the way Afghans treat their women by waging war on them, or bring democracy through rigged elections. We are not going to win hearts and minds by imposing a Communist-dominated Kabul regime on pious Muslims, bombing their villages and sending Marines to kick down their doors and violate their homes.

    US Afghan commander Gen. Stanley McChrystal is demanding 40,000-80,000 more troops. Even this number will not win the war in which Washington cannot even define the terms of victory. The only way out of this morass is through a negotiated settlement that enfranchises and includes the Pashtun and their fighting arm, Taliban.

    If the Afghan resistance ever gets modern anti-aircraft and anti-tank missiles, the western occupation forces will be cut off and doomed. Today, they can barely hold on against the lightly-armed Taliban.

    I wish President Obama would just declare victory in Afghanistan, withdraw western forces, and hand over security to a multi-national stabilization force from Muslim nations. Good presidents, like good generals, know when to retreat.


    Copyright Eric S, Margolis 2009


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    This isn't really news, it's op-ed.

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    Why are we there then Prada, and why did Clinton like Bush send rockets into Afghanistan?

    Turn over security to multi national muslim nations...wtf, which ones?
    Like the article says, terrorist would have it easier training in Somalia, Indonesia, Bangladesh, North and West Africa, or Sudan. Who does that leave to regulate terror against the West? The Saudi's, Iran, Pakistan? Sounds like a strange idea to me, that sabilization forces must be a specific religion.

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    Most of the article deals with the past and results of the past.

    What happens when we leave? Does anyone know for sure it will not come here to us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dancer View Post
    Most of the article deals with the past and results of the past.

    What happens when we leave? Does anyone know for sure it will not come here to us?
    i dont think the brits or americans will be leaving anytime soon, we got into a silly war what can not be won. we have just caused more trouble for ourselfs in the long run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dancer View Post
    Most of the article deals with the past and results of the past.

    What happens when we leave? Does anyone know for sure it will not come here to us?
    When we leave? It will revert back to the way it was before we came.
    As far as it coming to us? it's a good probability of that happening.

    We shall wait and see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dancer View Post
    Most of the article deals with the past and results of the past.

    What happens when we leave? Does anyone know for sure it will not come here to us?

    Who cares? I mean really? Who gives a **** anymore?
    ***No source checks!!!***

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dancer View Post
    Most of the article deals with the past and results of the past.

    What happens when we leave? Does anyone know for sure it will not come here to us?
    Who's fault will that be if that crap does come to Western shores? And Titanium is right, it will likely return to the shithole it was before we arrived. For all our vaunted wealth, millitary and technology we still can't even occupy shithole countries properly. The Ivans had the right idea in the 80's and of course, who helped stop them...

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    while some of what prada said is probably true, cia and the gov are not as innocent as they try to look in the whole situation, if you take your foot off of there throat they will be worse then before and they would then have a base to attack over here. we will see if you change your tone if they kill 10000 innocent people over their crazy shit, who knows though they might do it anyway with us still at war, it always seems like when is a attack coming, not if a attack is coming.

    also, you cant trust the islamic gov to do anything, most of them support terroism, remember all the members of the saudi royal family that were linked directly to al-qaida

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    It is a given. The Government lies and does it often. who knows why we are actually over there, all we can know for sure is it fits some political agenda. i hope we do pull out, i mean who cares. fight our own fights. ive been to iraq twice and would be a lot better of if hadnt.

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    Cmon guys. If we don't fight there its going to come here??? News flash , it is here and its been for a long time. American born terrorists have been busted plenty , you don't have to be muslim or foreign. And its not that hard to enter the US illegaly anyway.
    If anything these wars are killing ALOT of people , and making alot of these peoples loved-ones look for revenge. $236 billion dollars would go a LONG way at "protecting" our shores and borders if 'we' are worried about anyone coming here , not to mention create a ton of jobs. Then we would all be bitching about police states.

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    All I know is lads that I fear that Iran is next on the agenda for the UK and US. They'll be a bullshit reason like their nuclear program is actually going to be for insidious reasons.

    And the masses wonder why more and more terrorists cells grow by the day and want to attack Western civilians.

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    The war in Afganistan is a war for Heroin!!! Everyone know this. afganistan just so happins to be one of the biggest poppy plant producing countries.

    Dont believe anything else. Every war is for natural resources whether you know it or not. We got our Oil from Iraq. Now we want OUR Heroin.

    Makes me ashamed to be an American sometimes.

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