Haves And Have Nots:

[TITANIUM]

I was debating on posting this in the lounge, but it would get more intelligent responses in here.

What this is about is, well, basically the absences of moral fabric and decay of the country.

Basically, there are not Democrats nor Republicans.

Liberals, moderates, or conservatives........

Just people that have, and people that have not.

It would seem that the great US government is eradicating the middle class of workers in this country.

The "gap" between people that have money and then, at the opposite end of the spectrum, the people that have nothing.

Politicians, senators, mayors, all change party's at a whim.

None can be trusted, as there word means nothing anymore.

You fight and protect this country with service, and get abandoned for doing so.

What is going on and why are we doing nothing pro-active to control this as a people of this country?

We the people own this country, we are the ones that are supposed to make the government do what we want.

We are supposed to have them working for us, not themselves.

You should not fear the government, they should fear us.

As we pay there salaries with out tax money.

My farther worked for the same company for 48 years.

Truck driver in the local union, and worked alot.

My mother didn't work at all, she was a house keeper and her job entailed taking care of myself and my sister.

They owned a house, 2 cars,a couple a motorcycles, a swimming pool, you know, the regular "middle" class working family.

They still saved money, and when we grew up, we had what we needed.

Nothing extravagant, but a healthy lifestyle.

Now, what happened?

I work, my wife works, I live in my relatives house, and we are broke.

We both work, make fairly good money, and can't pay everything.

Meaning, we can't buy what we need, forget about want all together.

Taxes go up. Cost of living is so disproportionate to what we make collectively, it just can't be done.

So, you have people that can afford to take the hits of this recession/depression, and the rest of us fall into the "poor" category.

Getting back on point here.

If the powers at be want to even the playing field, and have everyone have the same things, well, that's socialism.

But, they have more power and influence in the political arena then ever before.

What happened? Greed caused this?

How do they expect people to live?

And is that the end proposition for us?

Is this a new world order that the elite want for us?

I did not sign on for this.

There are approximately 300 million people in the US.

If a few couple of million marched on Washington, that would change things and send a clear message to the people we pay to supposable represent us.

I guess I had a really stressfully day, and did not want this to turn into some kind of babbling rant.

Guys, please feel free to post your thoughts, as this touches on a lot of different subjects.

I'm a little out of character on this post, but I am just trying to get some thoughts and opinions.

It's 1:42 AM, so I'm going to bed.

I'll check this post tomorrow and see what you guys think.

Best

T

[Flagg]

It's not a new world order that the elite want for everyone else, it's all about what they want for themselves. Virtually all politicians are nothing more than smirking vampires.

The next Grand UK election is coming up, naturally everyone is "oh am I going to vote Labour (red) or Conservatives (Blue)" and people have no idea that they all went to Eton, they're all the same as each other, you'd be better asking people if they prefer Pepsi or Coca Cola because that is about the extent of the differences.

It's a crying shame when people will either vote against the party they least want in or when there seems to be no alternative.

I don't know what can be done. The government and the media do a masterful job of making everyone paranoid and reliant on their national leaders. If it's not "terror" it's all about who you can sue or protecting our children from percieved threats at every corner. Everyone gets wrapped up in cotton wool with the promise that "government will take care of it all".

Vampires and drones.

[TITANIUM]

I think that the only thing that could happen is , basically a revolution.

It happens to ever government from time to time.

People can only expect to take so much of this.

Now, I'm not trying to say we should have one, BUT I feel that the "liberty tree needs to be refreshed from time to time", is a good analogy.

I really dislike all of what I see happening.

It's a dam shame.

Best

T

[Voice of Reason]

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[BgMc31]

Surprisingly T, I completely agree with you. But I think that the US that you 'remember' didn't exist for everyone. My father was a career military man (retired in 94), retired as a Command Sergeants Major after 30yrs and we definitely didn't live as good as you did, lol! My mother was also a homemaker. We we poor, no, but at no time did I enjoy the luxuries you did. Now, my parents are quite successful that is because they don't have 3 kids to look after. I provide my family today with all you had growing up, but I have my athletic ability to thank for those things. But I definitely feel you, because now my wife has to work in order for us to keep those things going. A daughter in college and two boys who need to attend camp after camp is costing us dearly, not to mention the inflated price of our home...still. I believe the destruction of the middle class started in the 80's.

With that said, too many people are at the extremes today to believe a revolution would be successful. On the principle you describe above, we'd fight side by side, but I think there are a lot of 'other' undertones in today's rhetoric that prevent people from seeing what's really going on. The divide and conquer philosophy continues. So until that time I will continue to protect what I have and when someone, anyone, steps in MY yard I'll handle it accordingly! You feel me?!

[Kratos]

the have nots outnuber the haves
the way to get elected is play to the have nots
if you can get them to the polls, you'll win everytime

doing what's good for the country or thinking down the line further then the next election gets you booted out of office.

If you think things are bad now, give it 5 or 10 years.

The baby boomers squeezed and morgaged a good amount of the wealth out of the nation also. Our generation will be lucky if we could pay the taxes, heat and electric on all the McMansions built in the last 20 years.

The future for the next generation is predicated on either catostrophic falure of the federal gov as national debt sprials much like the failure of the USSR. A new gov order emerges and debt holders are left holding the bag. Or unique leadership comes along and there is a paradigm shift in the greed of the lower class. Either way, our generation in 10-20 years and our kids generation is going to pay the price. Economic collapse and an eventually a return to production is likely. We can't go this direction forever, or we'll be a society of share croppers with no ownership over our assets and businesses.

[TITANIUM]

Surprisingly T, I completely agree with you. But I think that the US that you 'remember' didn't exist for everyone. My father was a career military man (retired in 94), retired as a Command Sergeants Major after 30yrs and we definitely didn't live as good as you did, lol! My mother was also a homemaker. We we poor, no, but at no time did I enjoy the luxuries you did. Now, my parents are quite successful that is because they don't have 3 kids to look after. I provide my family today with all you had growing up, but I have my athletic ability to thank for those things. But I definitely feel you, because now my wife has to work in order for us to keep those things going. A daughter in college and two boys who need to attend camp after camp is costing us dearly, not to mention the inflated price of our home...still. I believe the destruction of the middle class started in the 80's.

With that said, too many people are at the extremes today to believe a revolution would be successful. On the principle you describe above, we'd fight side by side, but I think there are a lot of 'other' undertones in today's rhetoric that prevent people from seeing what's really going on. The divide and conquer philosophy continues. So until that time I will continue to protect what I have and when someone, anyone, steps in MY yard I'll handle it accordingly! You feel me?!

Yes, I do agree. It's disgusting what's going on now.But, yes I feel you bro.

Best

T

the have nots outnumber the haves
the way to get elected is play to the have nots
if you can get them to the polls, you'll win every time

doing what's good for the country or thinking down the line further then the next election gets you booted out of office.

If you think things are bad now, give it 5 or 10 years.

The baby boomer's squeezed and mortgaged a good amount of the wealth out of the nation also. Our generation will be lucky if we could pay the taxes, heat and electric on all the McMansions built in the last 20 years.

The future for the next generation is predicated on either catastrophic failure of the federal gov as national debt spirals much like the failure of the USSR. A new gov order emerges and debt holders are left holding the bag. Or unique leadership comes along and there is a paradigm shift in the greed of the lower class. Either way, our generation in 10-20 years and our kids generation is going to pay the price. Economic collapse and an eventually a return to production is likely. We can't go this direction forever, or we'll be a society of share croppers with no ownership over our assets and businesses.

I am becoming the have nots. No question about it. Maybe at the Apocalypse, it will change.But I am not holding my breath..........................

Best

T

[FranciscoG]

the have nots outnuber the haves
the way to get elected is play to the have nots
if you can get them to the polls, you'll win everytime

doing what's good for the country or thinking down the line further then the next election gets you booted out of office.

If you think things are bad now, give it 5 or 10 years.

The baby boomers squeezed and morgaged a good amount of the wealth out of the nation also. Our generation will be lucky if we could pay the taxes, heat and electric on all the McMansions built in the last 20 years.

The future for the next generation is predicated on either catostrophic falure of the federal gov as national debt sprials much like the failure of the USSR. A new gov order emerges and debt holders are left holding the bag. Or unique leadership comes along and there is a paradigm shift in the greed of the lower class. Either way, our generation in 10-20 years and our kids generation is going to pay the price. Economic collapse and an eventually a return to production is likely. We can't go this direction forever, or we'll be a society of share croppers with no ownership over our assets and businesses.

By far one of the best posts you have written, IMO.

[BgMc31]

By far one of the best posts you have written, IMO.

I'd have to agree.

[durak]

I understand where you are comming from. However, we have it so much better here than the rest of the world. People on wellfare here have the same standard of living as the average european. It blows away the average person in central america, south america, india, africa, etc...

As an example: 25% of women in around the world walk an hour a day to get fresh water.

[OCTOBER-2009]

It would seem that the great US government is eradicating the middle class of workers in this country.



T

This statement sums it up. Obama is a communist and an anti-capitalist. Every move he has made has been to make the Federal Government bigger, with more power, and less personal choice.

When you take away the middle class your left with a liberal elite who make the rules and have the gold, and then there is the rest of us (the old middle class) who have become dependent on them.

How do you do this? Create a huge National debt, have open boarders, disreguard the constitution, take over the auto industry & the banking industry, increase social programs and funding, give more power to the EPA, ect....

[vpchill]

Interesting post.
I was once told that our generation will be the 1st to not do better than our parents. Where as each generation was more succesful than the last, our generation 70's-80's have achieved less. I see this as I don't own any property, I owe on my car, I'm in debt. Where as my grandparents and parents owned their homes and lived less than middleclass but were able to provide and not have the burden we bare now. I do feel sorry for our kids. Things seem to only be getting worse.. jmo

[gymmonster]

This statement sums it up. Obama is a communist and an anti-capitalist. Every move he has made has been to make the Federal Government bigger, with more power, and less personal choice.

When you take away the middle class your left with a liberal elite who make the rules and have the gold, and then there is the rest of us (the old middle class) who have become dependent on them.

How do you do this? Create a huge National debt, have open boarders, disreguard the constitution, take over the auto industry & the banking industry, increase social programs and funding, give more power to the EPA, ect....

so true

[WilliamNidsWetsHiepe]

Hey yall--
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Her efforts on this discussion board makes it one of the most compelling musician discussion boards on the internet. We get nearly three thousand unique visits a day, and it continues to grow, not only as a place to discuss my music, but to discuss other artists, writers, films, books, and issues of the day.

Check out the number of hits on discussions regarding topics as broad as a show of mine in Maine, an Antje Duvekot, an Essentials discussion.

Its insane

Anyway. Part of the struggle for an independent musician trying to be a international artist, touring everywhere, and trying to maintain an income that can support a family, is the lack of marketing and promotion. Most clubs do very little in the way of pulling in a crowd. We rely on the word of mouth efforts
of the people who love our music, this sites tour schedules, and an occasional media blurb in a paper or on the radio. People fanning out on the web, leaving thoughtful comments at other discussion boards, reviewing shows, adding banners, adding songs to myspace have made an incredible difference and I would like to thank all of you who are involved with spreading my music among friends, family and connections.

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I would like to thank her and raise a glass of emoticon bubbly



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on her behalf. Cheers

Thanks Darlin. I think I may be very popular with the wikipedia crowd in the next few months
Ellis