Deca curiosity.......

[gritt]

I will post this as a seperate thread since it doesnt directly relate to something I posted yesterday. I had been thinking about HGH and am still doign so but have also peaked an interest in a 6 week deca cycle.

It seems to have minimum sides in the proper quantity and may really help with gains and strength without havnig to go all out with other AAS.

Has anyone had any good luck with this as an older lifter....over 40 or more?

Just educating myself at this point.

[oldman]

Deca with minimum sides? I would have to say no that is wrong. Deca has strong sides compared to other things. Water retention, lower test levels, puffy nips (gyno??).

I also disagree that 6 weeks is a good idea as it takes 3-4 weeks for deca to kick in from my experience.

You can increase gains using Deca but USE Test also never deca alone.

Deca is one of those compounds that floats around every gym and people use it with no regard to what it is or does. They don't use Test, anti-e and then never any PCT and they go on it for these short cycles and end up fatter and lower Test levels than before they started.

My 2 cents

~Old

[gritt]

Great input. I just saw some info on Deca on the board that seem to suggest fewer sides.....glad I asked. In your opinoin then, what is a good AAS for a older newbie to take to gain mass and strength along with the obvious Test which I take for TRT anyway?

[oldman]

How mcuh Test are yu taking on TRT. The problem is if you add Deca and you are taking low doses of Test which is standard on TRT you would have to increase that amount.

Can you post more info and I am sure there will be some good info for you.

~Old

[gritt]

You bet........

I am currently taking 200mgs of test weekly and have been for about 6 months. Prior to that I was using Androgel but it wasnt getting my natural test up at all. I was at 125 about 6 months ago thus the change to injectibles.

I have blood work done tomorrow to see where I am at (test, thyroid, prostrate and estrogen) My doctor is not compeletely educated on TRT so I asked for the estrogen check from what I have learned on this board.

I take Synthroid for my hypothyroidism and have been for many, many years. In the middle of a clen cycle now with great results and have been hard at it with diet and workouts.

Considered HGH but very expensive and not sure it is the best or only route. Not looking to get huge or compete at any level. Looking more for lean mass and low BF%......thus the avatar I have a "My goal".

I haev been researching non stop and have found some good info but there are a lot of conflicting viewpoints which I can somewhat understand.

A long time ago...in college.....I was a skinny, skinny boy. I got a roomate who was a lifter and he turned me on to something that could help me out called steroids . I remeber my first cycle of D-bol, sus-50 and Finna. 10 weeks and never took any PCT during or after....didnt know. Did this again after a two month layoff and added Anadrol . 10 weeks and no PCT.

The end result.....Went from 165 to 240 in about 40 weeks. Had gyno, no nuts and pissy as hell. Got into a bar fight and slapped my girlfirend in the same evening and I said.....no more. Lesson learned the hard way in not being educated.

No at almost 40, almost 20 years later I wonder why my test is so low.....hmmm who knows for sure but coudl be stupidity. Not something I will repeat.

Just looking to make some smarter choices this time and selections that are a bit less ego driven.

[figgy]

deca is much nicer to the skin than testosterone since it converts to DHN not DHT via the 5 alpha reductase enzyme. IF YOU DONT LIKE ACNE/ACNE SCARS
than DECA ias a very good choice steroid from the point of view of the SKIN,SCALP, and PROSTATE

[gritt]

Good input. I was looking at Var but I know it wont deliver results like Deca will, at least not alone. Might make a good stack from what I have read on the board. Deca, Test and Var. A bit much for a first cycle though.

[monstermasss]

not really that would be fine:
wk1-15 400mg deca ew
wk1-17 500mg test e or test c ew
wk9-17 60mg var ed
wk1-17 .25mg adex ed
wk19-23 clomid/nolva for pct or maybe letro?

[Kale]

OK so I am 51 and I have been on TRT for the last year, my own choice by the way. I have done a couple of cycles and then drop down my Test to TRT levels and "cruise" on that dose to the next cycle.

Deca only sucks, lets get the straight from the begining. You done need huge doses or long cycles to grow a bit. The cycle suggested in the previous post is overkill in the extreme for you.

All you need is this

wk 1-12 Test E 500mg / week shot 250mg twice a week

if you want to experiment with Deca then add this

wk 1-11 Deca 400mg / Week shot 200mg twice a week with the test.

As long as your diet and workouts are in check you will get some nice gains on that. When the cycle ends you just reduce the Test back to TRT levels at 200mg a week. No need for PCT obviously. Personally I would add 0.50mg of Arimidex a day just to ensure you keep any Estrogen related issues at bay.

I have been on HGH as well for the last three weeks and I can tell you that stuff rocks, its worth the money.

[*Alex*]

Deca with minimum sides? I would have to say no that is wrong. Deca has strong sides compared to other things. Water retention, lower test levels, puffy nips (gyno??).

I also disagree that 6 weeks is a good idea as it takes 3-4 weeks for deca to kick in from my experience.

You can increase gains using Deca but USE Test also never deca alone.

Deca is one of those compounds that floats around every gym and people use it with no regard to what it is or does. They don't use Test, anti-e and then never any PCT and they go on it for these short cycles and end up fatter and lower Test levels than before they started.

My 2 cents

~Old

very true............

[*Alex*]

not really that would be fine:
wk1-15 400mg deca ew
wk1-17 500mg test e or test c ew
wk9-17 60mg var ed
wk1-17 .25mg adex ed
wk19-23 clomid/nolva for pct or maybe letro?

i would bump a dex tp .50mg ed.

[gritt]

Awesome advice, Kale. I am looking to order some HGH for sure at some point when I can find a source but I like the idea of just bumping the test and returnign back down after a cycle to my regualr levels.

May even hold off on any Deca at this point and try the test and HGH at first....maybe throw in a Var for strength and such. I am trying to really think this through and plan ahead beyond just one cycle to consider what my true long term goals are. Your input helps.

[Ufa]

How mcuh Test are yu taking on TRT. The problem is if you add Deca and you are taking low doses of Test which is standard on TRT you would have to increase that amount.

Can you post more info and I am sure there will be some good info for you.

~Old

I was just wondering why my test levels have went down. Been doing
150mg test weekly, and 50mg Var. Had to get blood work and I was
totally shocked when levels came back at 697. I thought it would be
about twice that. I discontinued the Var one week before blood work.
They wanted to lower me 125 mg of test per week now it's back to
175 mg.

Just wanted to say thanks for pointing out what should have been obvious
to me.