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    40 y/o with many problems, need a help

    Hi everybody

    -I'm a man 40 years old
    -Weight 82kg.
    -High 170cm.
    -Body fat approximately 23%
    -My goal was to build a quality muscle mass.

    -I'm on bodybuilding training since 1990 but I trained with out any diet plan I ate every thing... before I was been a weightlifter for 5 years; I stopped weightlifting after a strong injury in my lower back.

    -The period from 1998 – 2002 I stopped the training due to a different problems (preparing my master degree, search for a suitable work, my father’s death...etc.).

    -From 2003 I start again with a serious training & (diet plan).

    -The problems is:

    1)I used in the last three years 4 steroid cycles... And always I gain about
    4-5 k.g. & after PCT my weight was going down to the start point (looks like I’m doing nothing)except I’m always loosing my money and that’s all.(my last cycle finished on June 2008).

    2)On 15/9/2008 (after 3 months from PCT) I make a blood work & I found that my natural testosterone product was (0,56ng/ml) – the normal level in our laps for male was (from 3 to 10ng/ml).


    3)On 2006 I also make a blood work (a few months after a steroid cycle) & the result was been 3.5ng/ml), I don’t know is that from a steroid usage or in fact I have a low natural testosterone level.

    4)Even I train hard, take a good supplements, make a good diet...I can't get any results; I still looking bloated & puffy my muscles looks covered, my chest looking like I have a gynecomastia ... But I knew that’s not from a steroid use , because I have this problem before I start weight training, I have it from my father may be it is genetics, (many trainers failed with me). I stopped getting any result when I reach 35 y/o or maybe before that.

    5)In the past two years I also start feeling a pain in my joints especially in shoulders, elbows & knees, for example the pain start in the right shoulder joint then after it’s gone the left shoulder started & by it self…etc. it’s very strange.

    6)Maybe you will tell me go to a good doctor… I already meet one & explain to him everything, he said to me if your life & sex drive was normal so there are no problems; (all the problems comes to you from steroids ) go away from steroids, you don’t need to build muscles stay normal & bye bye…

    7)I went to the other doctor & after explaining to him my situation he said to me to take 1ml testoveron per week for four weeks & the problem with my low natural testosterone will be done & after that I must to run away from any steroids.

    Sorry guys I’m fully scatterbrained & I don’t know how to solve these problems by my self to reach my goal; I read here something about TRT is it suitable for me???

    If you want a sample of my diet, training, & my steroid cycles that I take I’m ready to give a copy of it if needed.
    Any help or opinions would be appreciated.

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    Your bf% is very high mate, you will get a nicer -cleaner looking muscle by dropping this by 10%.
    A little cardio with some diet advice from the members here (post an example day, be honest) will get you towards your goal. Yes you will lose some precoius muscle but you'll feel alot better, and a future steroid cycle will produce far better results.
    If you want to keep your bf high be aware, an incidence of gynomastia is more likely, on a cycle. You've hinted at this...
    Exactly what gear have you cycled before? Looks like orals, or poor PCT or poor PC diet.

    ps never give up the goal, you will get there.. then you'll want some more haha

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    Hi
    This is the first cycle:
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    week type day

    1 100deca Sat.
    100deca Tue.
    2 100deca Sat.
    100deca+1ml sustanon250 Tue.
    3 100deca+1ml sustanon250 Sat.
    100deca+1ml sustanon250 Tue.
    4 100deca+1ml sustanon250 Sat.
    100deca+1ml sustanon250 Tue.
    5 100deca+1ml sustanon250 Sat.
    100deca+1ml sustanon250 Tue.
    6 100deca+1ml sustanon250 Sat.
    100deca Tue.
    7 100deca Sat.
    100deca Tue.
    8 PCT 1500i.u. HCG once a week Tue.
    9 PCT 1500i.u. HCG once a week Tue.
    10 PCT 1500i.u. HCG once a week Tue.

    Vit.B-12 (1 tab.) in the morning.
    Liv52 – for liver (2 tabs. In the morning + 2 tabs in the evening).
    Cystone – for kidneys (2 tabs. In the morning + 2 tabs in the evening).
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    My second, third & forth cycles is the same:
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    week type day
    1 200deca Sat.
    1ml sustanon250 Tue.
    2 400deca + 2ml Sustanon Sat.
    1ml testosterone enantat + 1ml Parabolan Tue.
    3 400deca + 2ml Sustanon Sat.
    2ml testosterone enantat + 2ml Parabolan Tue.
    1tab. Anabolon50mg/day before training
    4 400deca + 2ml Sustanon Sat.
    2ml testosterone enantat + 2ml Parabolan Tue.
    1tab. Anabolon50mg/day before training
    5 400deca + 2ml Sustanon Sat.
    2ml testosterone enantat + 2ml Parabolan Tue.
    1tab. Anabolon50mg/day before training
    6 200deca + 1ml sustanon250 Sat.
    2ml testosterone enantat + 2ml Parabolan Tue.
    1tab. Anabolon50mg/day before training
    7 100deca + 1ml sustanon250 Sat.
    1ml testosterone enantat + 1ml Parabolan Tue.
    1tab. Anabolon50mg/day before training
    8 PCT 5000 i.u. HCG Tue.
    100mg Clomid/day
    9 PCT 5000 i.u. HCG Tue.
    50mg Clomid/day
    10 PCT 50mg Clomid/day

    Vit.B-12 (1 tab.) in the morning.
    Liv52 – for liver (2 tabs. In the morning + 2 tabs in the evening).
    Cystone – for kidneys (2 tabs. In the morning + 2 tabs in the evening).
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------

    My diet is every day the same except Tue. And Fri. free (I add some foods that I like to my diet & maybe little amounts of sweets, ice-cream, some pastries & olive oil)… my diet look like this:
    -Pre breakfast // ½ tea sp. Natural Honey + 5g creatine + 4tabs. Amino acids + water.
    -9:00 // 6 egg whites + 2 yolks + 100g boiled chicken breast + 70g low fat cheese + 100g oatmeal + 2pics toast + salads + 1 multivitamin + 1000mg vit.C + 1 capsule cod liver oil.
    -11:00 // 2 scoops whey protein + 5g glutamine + 4 tabs. Amino acids + 2 bananas + 1 apple.
    -14:00 // 200g boiled rice or pasta + 500g lean beef or fresh tuna fish or a half chicken (boiled or grilled) or 2 cans of tuna + salads + 2 apples after 1hour.
    -16:00 // training. (30 minute before training I take universal animal stack for 21days every 2 months).
    -18:30 // immediately post work out // 2 scoops whey protein + 4 tabs amino acids + 5g creatine + 1 tabs vitamin B-Complex + 2 bananas.
    -21:30 // 200g boiled potato + 500g lean beef or fresh tuna fish or a half chicken (boiled or grilled) or 2 cans of tuna + salads + 1 tabs multivitamin.
    -23:00 // 5 tabs universal Uni-liver + 5g glutamine + ½ tea sp. Natural Honey
    -Before sleep // 3 tabs. ZMA.
    *** I use about 2-3 liters of water every day.
    *** My diet was always salt, sugar free & minimum fat.
    *** I can’t drink milk at all (all kinds of milk) it gives me a fat around my abs.

    all of that & with out any result!!! if you want a copy of my training I also can give it.

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    You cycles were too short and injection frquencies were off on some of the compounds. Test E should be run no shorter than 10-12 weeks as it takes 4-6 weeks to peak.

    Milk does not make your abs fat..... Youa re eating tons of sodium in that much potatoe, change it up for sweet potatoes I think your calories are way high what does that all workout to total cals?also cut the honey out and low fat cheese. Cut rice and change for either sweet potatoe or brown rice. 2-3 litres of water is no where near enough double it. 4 litres minimum imo.

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    way too much calories, no wonder you cant lose wait, if this is your diet...

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    Hi dears
    Here is the sample of my present training schedule:
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    Sat. chest - abs.
    Sun. Biceps – triceps – forearms – abs / fast walk 30-45min.
    Mon. shoulders - traps.
    Tue. Back – quads – calves – abs / fast walk 30-45min.
    Wed. repeat cycle (such as sat.).
    Thu. repeat cycle. (such as sun.) / Fast walk 30-45min.
    Fri. rest.

    Sat. chest
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    1) Incline barbell bench press 10/8/8/6
    2) Flat bench press super set with barbell pullover 15/15/15/15
    3) Flat dumbbell bench press 12/12/12/12
    4) Dips super set with flat Dumbbell Flyes 12/12/12/12
    5) Decline Dumbbell Bench Press super set with decline dumbbell flyes 12/12/12/12
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    Sun. Biceps – triceps – forearms - abs.
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    1) Barbell Curl 10/8/8/6
    2) Incline Dumbbell Curl 10/8/8/6
    3) EZ barbell Preacher Curl 10/8/8/6
    4) Overhead Cable Curl 12/12/12
    5) Alternate Hammer Curl 10/10/8/8
    6) Cable Triceps Pushdown 12/10/10/8
    7) Reverse grip Cable Lying Triceps Extension 10/8/8/6
    8) Seated Triceps dumbbell Press 10/8/8/6
    9) One arm Reverse Grip Triceps Pushdown 12/10/10/8
    10) Barbell Wrist Curl 4x12
    11) One arm Dumbbell Wrist Curl 4x12
    12) Seated One-Arm Dumbbell Palms-Down Wrist Curl 4x12
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    Mon. shoulders - traps.
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    1) Front Barbell Shoulder Press 10/8/8/6
    2) Behind neck Barbell Shoulder Press 10/8/8/6
    3) Dumbbell One Arm Shoulder Press 10/8/8/6
    4) Seated Side Lateral Raise 12/12/12
    5) One-Arm cable Side Laterals (rearward) 8/8/8/8
    6) Standing Front Barbell Raise Over Head 12/12/12
    7) Barbell Upright Row 10/8/8/6
    8) Barbell Shrug 12/10/8/6
    9) Barbell Shrug behind the Back 10/8/8/6
    10) Dumbbell Shrug 10/10/10/10
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    Tue. Back – quads – calves – abs.
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    1) Wide-Grip Lat Pull down 10/10/8/8
    2) Wide-Grip Pull downs Behind the Neck 10/10/8/8
    3) V-Bar Pull down 10/10/8/8
    4) Seated Cable Rows 10/10/8/8
    5) Incline barbell Bench Pull (Reverse grip) super set with dumbbell Incline Bench Pull 10/10/8/8
    6) Leg Extensions 10/10/8/6
    7) Leg Press 15/12/10/8/6/4
    8) Lying Leg Curls 10/10/8/6
    9) Standing Leg Curl 10/10/8/6
    10) Hyperextensions 3x15
    11) Dumbbell Deadlift 3x15
    12) Calf Press on the Leg Press Machine or barbell Standing Calf Raise 4x15
    13) Dumbbell Seated Calf Raise 4x15
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    For ABS.
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    1) Crunches 4x30-40
    2) Decline Crunch 4x30-40
    3) Reverse Crunch 4x30-40

    Note: I can’t do squat because of an old injury in my lower back from the weightlifting.

    here is all about me... now you can give me your decision, because really I don't know what's the reason that blocking me to gaining muscles, is that from my diet plan (some guys here says that there is much calorie in my diet), or it is from my training, or I have a low natural testosterone product??? please replay.

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    please if any one else want to give an advice or put his comments!!!!!

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    Can you say overtraining? Get back to basics. No wonder you're not getting the results you're expecting. You need to rest too! 5 different exercises for Biceps?????
    Last edited by ottomaddox; 10-11-2008 at 08:03 AM.

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    Hi
    I'm using this training in the present time only, what I want to say that I used many training routines, many trainers are gived me a different training methods (I already said that all the trainers that I know was failed with me)... doing 2 exercises or 5 in the end it's comeing to nothin???!!!
    for this reason I want to take many comments from a different people.

    Also What are you think about my low natural testosterone product (it's 0,56ng/ml) ???!!!
    please this is for all don't scrimp, any one can give his comments & advices...

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    take some time off and get small then you may realize your bigger than you think

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    Quote Originally Posted by ottomaddox View Post
    Can you say overtraining? Get back to basics. No wonder you're not getting the results you're expecting. You need to rest too! 5 different exercises for Biceps?????
    I have to second this.

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    dears I already gived a try for all these things but not vain!!!!!

    Ok What are you think about my low natural testosterone product (it's 0,56ng/ml) ???!!!
    Last edited by ezzat; 10-12-2008 at 09:36 AM.

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    Since you have high body fat stop lifting heavy for a while, do MORE cardio, lift lighter more reps to get lean. Start doing sets of 25+, walk more, ride a bike, walk, swim etc. Get lean then start building good lean bulk.

    As suggested your calorie intake is to high, cut it down and learn to do a better cycle, proper length with proper PCT.

    If your natural test levels is low yes you will loose everything after you cycle so see a TRT doctor and find a way to keep your test levels normal.

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    Hi
    The doctor said to me:
    Take testoverone 1ml/week for four weeks then my natural testosterone will be normal, and he said after that dont use steroids (as it's not legal to use)... !!!
    I want to go ahead & I will never gived up to reach to my goal.
    So please support me with your advices & suggestions, give me your full recommendations.

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    Cut the spuds and the rice by half, forget the chicken at breakfast and the cheese for that matter.
    Get rid of the creatine (optional, makes me puffy looking) for now.
    You're eating 7 fruits a day, eat 2 or 3 and space them out. Fruit is great but sugary.
    Leave the pasta, or use a little wholemeal.

    Take the Docs advice but ask him to monitor the progress, to see if his idea has actually worked. Who knows, he may end up going TRT if things arn't great.
    Put the AAS plan on the backburner for a little while mate, there's no rush. Check the diet and slim out the weight session like the others say. You don't need to lift like a maniac to get positive results and if you DO get 4 weeks of testoviron soon you might be well on the way.
    Let us know how it goes.

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    dears
    can you please explane to me what is the meaning of AAS???

    as your recommendation I'm going to give a try to:
    1)cut the honey, cheese & the chicken on breakfast.
    2)cut the spuds & rice by half.
    3)cut the creatine.
    4)cut the fruit by 3 a day.
    5)check the training + start doing sets of (25+) + increase the cardio.
    6)going to a 4 weeks testoverone & check.

    if there is another advice please dont hesitate to replay<<<thanks>>>.

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    Worry about getting lean first and foremost. As others have stated, cut your calories, go light on the weights, and go big on cardio. Change your cardio routine. Do some interval training. Make this your primary focus. Cut your lifting down to 2-3 days a week max to give your joints a rest. Once you knock off about 10% of your BF then look at a bulking cycle. Another option is look at a run of GH. I was in a similar rut, could not lose BF, gains were very tough and I had a very clean diet. I am about 4 months into my first GH run and loving it. Lost 4% BF and starting to see some gains. I am 44, 5-7, 168, and 10% BF.

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    I wanted to chimin but eveyone here has given good advice. especialy bio-tested

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    Quote Originally Posted by ezzat View Post
    dears
    can you please explane to me what is the meaning of AAS???

    as your recommendation I'm going to give a try to:
    1)cut the honey, cheese & the chicken on breakfast.
    2)cut the spuds & rice by half.
    3)cut the creatine.
    4)cut the fruit by 3 a day.
    5)check the training + start doing sets of (25+) + increase the cardio.
    6)going to a 4 weeks testoverone & check.

    if there is another advice please dont hesitate to replay<<<thanks>>>.
    anabolic -androgenic steroids (AAS)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bio-boosted View Post
    Cut the spuds and the rice by half, forget the chicken at breakfast and the cheese for that matter.
    Get rid of the creatine (optional, makes me puffy looking) for now.
    You're eating 7 fruits a day, eat 2 or 3 and space them out. Fruit is great but sugary.
    Leave the pasta, or use a little wholemeal.

    Take the Docs advice but ask him to monitor the progress, to see if his idea has actually worked. Who knows, he may end up going TRT if things arn't great.
    Put the AAS plan on the backburner for a little while mate, there's no rush. Check the diet and slim out the weight session like the others say. You don't need to lift like a maniac to get positive results and if you DO get 4 weeks of testoviron soon you might be well on the way.
    Let us know how it goes.
    Dears
    note that maybe all doctors never ever can let you go to TRT plan, they don't want to talk about using steroids for a long time, they said that steroid usage cause a prostate cancer & other problems, brothers we all well know that a doctors occupation grounded on supposition on treatment & not all the doctors can give you the right things. or maybe they simply dont know how to plan it... TRT want a specialist doctor who knows about it... (for example I'm a communication engineer is it mean that I must to know all of the engineering fields, it's impossible!!!) and we dont have such doctors arround of us.
    I suppose that TRT needed someone who had an experience in this field & not necessary to be an a doctor, what do you think???
    Last edited by ezzat; 10-28-2008 at 04:34 AM.

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    Iam dentist (young) and I have many friends among doctors (surgery, internal medicine, urology) and truly they dont know much about steroids (there are exceptions like sport doctors) only some stupid copied words.. like...

    ...testosterone couse prostate cancer, liver cancer and atherosclerosis (stroke). Prescribe testosterone? No way.. its like some hard drug. And even you are hypogonadal ist better to stay off test. Be slim-fat guy its good and healthy?

    I manage my life by my self, but its good to have some supervision just for second side view.

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    The only doc anyone should see is an endocrinologist. That being said Dont follow along blindly either.whatch this video.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0LEj...eature=related

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    testosterone problem

    Hi dears
    one of our advanced bodybuilders said to me that my low testosterone maybe from the HCG that I inject after my last cycle.. it may be fake, he said to me that if I have a low natural product of testosterone the level will be low but in the normal range of 3-10ng/ml but since I have 0.56ng/ml !!!??? he said it's realy from the cycle & because the HCG was fake so your testosterone didn't come to the normal case.

    now he said to me to increase testosterone I must to take another HCG instead of that fake one as followed :
    week one : sat.1500I.U. + mon.1500I.U. + wed.1500I.U.
    week two : sat.1500I.U. + mon.1500I.U. + wed.1500I.U.
    & the problem will be solved.
    also he tell me that the doc. who said to me to take testoveron for one month 1ml/week is not right with his advice dont do this he said.
    dears who's right??? what are you think about that please feed me back.

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    who's right

    dears please repley me, my testosterone maybe near 0 because of my last cycle... how to take a good PCT to rise it?

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    Should had this in place long ago............go to the PCT section, plenty of advice there!

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    Just saw this,Im not sure how you have been progressing but I have a suggestion.Everybody has given you good advice on diet and exercise,but a little questionable on drug use.I will keep this short.You certainly need to lose alot of fat,but just changing your diet and doing cardio is NOT enough.Why not use low dose AAS,preferably winny or primo if you can get it.This will keep you in a slight anabolic state while cutting calories and doing cardio.Keep as much muscle as possible while losing bodyfat. If you have access to hgh that would be great.Later you can do trt or a small cycle but drop the bodyfat first. Its next to impossible to lose fat and keep muscle at the same time,thats why a low dose of steroids would greatly help.

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