Cycle at 54

**Cravenmorehead** · 03-31-2011, 11:29 PM

I have been running 750mg test cyp weekly. 20mg nolvadex daily. Want to run this for 12-16 weeks. Would HCG during the cycle be advisable? I lost 23 lbs before the cycle and started at ~14 % BF. My current weight is 195 and 6' tall.
Very happy with the strength and vascularity gains not only in bodyweight exercises.....but also pushing alot more weight in the gym.
Having no problem with gyno or water retention. I do take prescription HCTZ and an ace inhibitor for high BP......but it seems under better control from the loss of fat.
Any need to add an oral such as var or oral-T? Would like to maximize strength and actually stay about the same weight.
Thanks for everyone pressing the issue of test with every cycle......it works.

**40plusnewbie** · 04-01-2011, 03:54 AM

Don't know if HCG at your age is a factor or not (as in a bad thing). I ran HCG my last cycle at age 42 @ 250mcg 2x/week throughout and am very glad I did. Kept my nuts from shrinking at all, making recovery easier. I also have no idea about running it with nolva.
My cycle was 12wks test cyp @ 500mg/week divided into 2 doses each week.

Hopefully someone like swifto or another experienced vet/mod will respond to you here.

**scorpion62** · 04-01-2011, 01:58 PM

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...t=hcg+on+cycle all the info you need on HCG is layed out by Swifto Cravenmorehead

**kelevra** · 04-01-2011, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by Cravenmorehead

I have been running 750mg test cyp weekly. 20mg nolvadex dailydont need unless symptoms of gyno. Want to run this for 12-16 weeks. Would HCG during the cycle be advisable?do you want to stay fertile? I lost 23 lbs before the cycle and started at ~14 % BF. My current weight is 195 and 6' tall.
Very happy with the strength and vascularity gains not only in bodyweight exercises.....but also pushing alot more weight in the gym.
Having no problem with gyno or water retention. Maybe good idea to drop the dose of Nolva, hate to say go off it now due to possible E rebound, but you should wait till signs of Gyno beforehand. Nolva and other serms can be harsh on the system and should be taken sparingly. I do take prescription HCTZ and an ace inhibitor for high BP......but it seems under better control from the loss of fat.
Any need to add an oral such as var or oral-T?you could add var for 8 weeks Would like to maximize strength and actually stay about the same weight.
Thanks for everyone pressing the issue of test with every cycle......it works.

answers and opinions above

**Far from massive** · 04-03-2011, 08:54 PM

I am just curious if you have checked your baseline Test levels before beginning the cycle? I have my suspicion that at 50+ recovery may become more difficult. I am 55 myself and although I recovered fine from my first cycle on my second I seemed to be having a rough time, however I had requested a copy of some old bloodwork and found that at 53 (before any juice) my levels were below 300 already so I just started TRT.

Anyway I would definately run HCG twice per wk at 250iu's per dose to lessen atrophy and make recovery easier at the end of your cycle. In addition I agree with not using the nolva on cycle unless its needed for gyno, you would be better served using a mild dosage of an AI for signs of aromatization. I would also strongly consider limiting your cycle to 12wks as the longer the cycle the harder the recovery. Maybe some of the vets can chime in on recovery from this kind of cycle at 50+.

**Cravenmorehead** · 04-05-2011, 06:00 PM

I didn't have a baseline test level done, but had all the symptoms of low test levels. I also think my BP and cortisol levels were a mess because of work stress and the stress of looking like dogshit. Thanks for all the answers. I am most concerned about water rentention which is why I have been taking the Nolva. Would Arimidex at .5mg a day be a better choice?

**kelevra** · 04-05-2011, 07:26 PM

everyone is different, but you shouldn't have a lot of water retention on just Test. 750mg is not a beginners dose so you might, but what is more important. Heart health or a bit of water retention? You're not getting ready for a show? Aromasin (if i spelled it right) would prob be best. IMO Less E rebound than rest, and not as strong.

**Times Roman** · 04-09-2011, 07:10 AM

HCG ? Planning on having any more children?
I was cut over a decade ago, so I passed on the HCG
I talked to my urologist about it, and other than preserving testicle size, there was really no other reason for me to take it.

**Cravenmorehead** · 04-13-2011, 05:50 PM

I discontinued the HCG .....no need for a fixed old guy. I'm switching from nolva to aromasin ......any suggestions as to a transition schedule?

**SlimJoe** · 04-14-2011, 01:42 AM

Good luck

**Cravenmorehead** · 04-18-2011, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by kelevra

everyone is different, but you shouldn't have a lot of water retention on just Test. 750mg is not a beginners dose so you might, but what is more important. Heart health or a bit of water retention? You're not getting ready for a show? Aromasin (if i spelled it right) would prob be best. IMO Less E rebound than rest, and not as strong.

Aromasin working nicely.....thanks.

**ComputerGuy** · 05-23-2011, 08:08 PM

Im 50 this year and just started my third cycle in 7 years. These boards are great and have helped me beyond measure. I run conservative cycles though.. Like 200MG cyp every 5 days