I said it before but now its true i am done with steroids

**yannick35** · 12-30-2012, 02:23 PM

So i just finished a 12 week equipoise 300mg per week and 200 mg test E per week, again i ballooned up to 246 pounds and i did not eat that much. I am now finish with PCT and back to 220. Worst is that i am using roids to repair my body not to gain weight or be massive. The weight gain was good i was pretty massive, this time around with a good diet and the right anti armoatizer it did good, but pinning just gets old fast, i hated pinning day like the plaigue.

Well prolo with sodium morrhuate did good but the cycle did bad, i was always tired, sleepy falling sleepy everywhere, i was using armidex twice a week with HCG 500IU per week. What is the use of using steroids if its only to be more tired in the end.

I am looking into vitamin D which is getting tones of good reviews right now, a potion control diet, and good cardio and weight training intermittent fasting.

I can only imagine guys doing big cycles and losing almost all there gains feel. OUCH

**MickeyKnox** · 12-30-2012, 06:38 PM

Yannick, whats going on bro!??

Something is not right here. Did you double check your diet and TDEE with the Specialists in the Nutrition Forum?

300mg of EQ/wk wont do diddly squat for you, you know that. And 200mg/wk of Test is just a glorified TRT dose so im confused about your resluts. Must be other details and info that's missing here.

**stpete** · 12-30-2012, 07:38 PM

^^^ Yeah, somethings off. And it sounds like diet. And to be honest, i'm surprised you got gains off those dosages. Which leads me to believe that you were eating much better on cycle than off.

am i correct in assuming so?

**yannick35** · 12-31-2012, 07:43 AM

Guys last year honest to God no joke i was put on 20 weeks deca test and masteron 200mg each for 20 freaken weeks, my weight went from 217 to 261.

The idiot told me that masteron would act like an AI and it did not at all, i was puffed, water retention and freaken fat gain. Remember i used theses cycle to repair not to gain, but testosterone seems to stick to me like $ht and makes me gain tones at low dosage.

My diet was nothing special i did use portion control because i did not want to blowt of go crazy with weight gain. We also used 150mg of testosteron suspension once a week in the prolotherapy cocktail so that would be around 350mg of testosterone short and long ester. So i took and am still taking BCAA, glutamine, collagen, diet was meat and eggs, i try to fast for 15 hours, its really good, then i eat low carb for the first few meals and my last meal will be with carbs rice, sweet patato or whatever my girlfriend i cooking she is great cook can also make some chinese food. My total protein would have been around 150g per day, i did take 2 whey isolate shake per day and still continue to take them in water or juice. Horse, bison, cow meat. Was basically it. Of course i did cheat here and there but it was nothing major.

I have nothing against steroids but for me i am done, the pain of injection, i am also very sad that for repair it did nothing, it did not speed up my healing at all. On top of it all my cycle was suppose to be EQ 300mg Test E 200mg and trenbolone acetate 150mg per week the tren was fake so i wasted my $$ on that.

**yannick35** · 12-31-2012, 07:49 AM

What i don't understand and have read this with other users too is that when using steroids , people are tired has hell, this is crazy, even during PCT i used to drop here and there, i remember at XMAS we went to my girlfriend mother place and i was sitting in a lazyboy chair and i just drop and started sleeping.

Now that i am finish with PCT i feel great? i have added 10000IU of vitamin D to my diet......also and some probiotics.

**MickeyKnox** · 12-31-2012, 08:01 AM

Yannick,

Straight up; it sounds to me like YOU haven't figured out how to diet properly, AND what compounds would best suit YOUR goals. Regardless of what doc suggested, (he/she knows nothing) YOU should educate yourself! And there's no reason not to with this huge resource at your fingertips. To simply lay down and take your docs advice dry is ridiculous at best. It only takes a minute to ask for the advice of thousands of educated and experienced individuals on this site. You would have been told that the Mast is a waste at your BF, and diet is key. Im not suggesting not to go to your doc for help, but to get a second opinion here and do your OWN resaerch to confirm or reject any medical advice. We've seen this all too often to not double check ANY docs advice, particularly when it comes to AAS.

I recall your troubles in the past and i know youve been around long enough to know this shyt better than the average newb. I hope you dont throw in the towel because of this unpleasant experience. Start a new thread and provide ALL your details and see if this Forum can get you back on track slowly with some sound solid advice with experience and educated individuals. I believe you have everything right here to help you achieve your goals.

Good luck brother..

**snowman** · 12-31-2012, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by yannick35

Guys last year honest to God no joke i was put on 20 weeks deca test and masteron 200mg each for 20 freaken weeks, my weight went from 217 to 261.

The idiot told me that masteron would act like an AI and it did not at all, i was puffed, water retention and freaken fat gain. Remember i used theses cycle to repair not to gain, but testosterone seems to stick to me like $ht and makes me gain tones at low dosage.

My diet was nothing special i did use portion control because i did not want to blowt of go crazy with weight gain. We also used 150mg of testosteron suspension once a week in the prolotherapy cocktail so that would be around 350mg of testosterone short and long ester. So i took and am still taking BCAA, glutamine, collagen, diet was meat and eggs, i try to fast for 15 hours, its really good, then i eat low carb for the first few meals and my last meal will be with carbs rice, sweet patato or whatever my girlfriend i cooking she is great cook can also make some chinese food. My total protein would have been around 150g per day, i did take 2 whey isolate shake per day and still continue to take them in water or juice. Horse, bison, cow meat. Was basically it. Of course i did cheat here and there but it was nothing major.

I have nothing against steroids but for me i am done, the pain of injection, i am also very sad that for repair it did nothing, it did not speed up my healing at all. On top of it all my cycle was suppose to be EQ 300mg Test E 200mg and trenbolone acetate 150mg per week the tren was fake so i wasted my $$ on that.

I agree with Mickey Knox... you diet must be off somewhere, you actually said it, that is was not special... what was you body fat before you started your cycles? Bro, when im cutting or just want a lean bulk, i still don't have carbs on my Last meal... i keep my carb intake first thing in the morning, and after my workout. Also i noticed that you used EQ that makes you hungry as hell, all you feel like doing, is eat all day.
I also agree with you that " some " steroids tend to make you tired, for me, its Tbol, but gladly i only use it for 4 weeks to start my cycle... i know you are saying, you are all done with steroids, BUT IF you ever decide to do another cycle, i would suggest ( once you have your diet right and have below 15% body fat) that you would do a test E cycle only for 12 weeks, at 500mg a week with proper pct, and ai durring the cycle, and see how that goes.... i feel great on test E cycles , full of energy, great mood etc..., but
you need to keep it at 500mg... 200mg, was to low.... i used to use a lot of different gear on cycles, now, i just keep it simple, and i feel great.
150 mg of protein a day, its not much either for your body weight.... how much water are you drinking? hows you e2 levels?

**yannick35** · 12-31-2012, 10:29 AM

And then again this is why you guys make this the best forum on the web thanks for advise and you guys have yourself a great 2013. For me well my goal is to go down not go up, test even at low dose seems to make me gain.

For now at least 220 i want to get down i got 5 months til we hit Mexcio again, last time we went to xplore its a great them part but man you walk all day and yes you freaken climb all day, last time at 242 i had a very hard time, now if i can hit the 200 i will be ok. 5 months to lose 20 pounds i should make it alright. LOL

**snowman** · 12-31-2012, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by yannick35

And then again this is why you guys make this the best forum on the web thanks for advise and you guys have yourself a great 2013. For me well my goal is to go down not go up, test even at low dose seems to make me gain.

For now at least 220 i want to get down i got 5 months til we hit Mexcio again, last time we went to xplore its a great them part but man you walk all day and yes you freaken climb all day, last time at 242 i had a very hard time, now if i can hit the 200 i will be ok. 5 months to lose 20 pounds i should make it alright. LOL

I hope in 2013 you will meet your goals... bro, IF your goal is to go down on weight, then diet and cardio is the key, not Steroids .. in 5 months is not hard to loose 20 pounds, If you diet is in check.
good luck.

**yannick35** · 12-31-2012, 12:37 PM

I did my first steroid cycle at 27 i started training at 13 joined the real gym at 16, in all that time honest to god i train anywhere from 4-6 times per week, i bulked up dieted down yaddy yadda yadda, an all time high at 25 of around 220 no steroid creatine, i decided to drop weight and started boxing at 27, i dieted down to 174 , no abs but very slim i really liked it. Steroid cycle was 400mg deca , 500mg test E and winstrol V don't remember the dosage we also added masteron the real thing. I got to 212 big and chubby, i looked a lot better when i did it natural at 220. Since i already been to that weight after the cycle i lost some pump but stayed at 212.

After that i was never able to get back down to 174, i do admit using my fair share of epherdrine at that time, and lots of fat burners that my body now at 40 cannot tolerate. I ordred some T3 last time that was amazing i love intermittent fasting because it give you so much freedom, you dont think about eating all the time, and theses darn sugar rush are gone in a week. Snowman thanks for that low carb advise i might cut that for good my only problem is that i cannot stand ketosis it makes me foggy and low energy.

**fit2bOld** · 01-01-2013, 06:33 PM

Might do you some good Yannick to stay clean for a while and just fine tune your diet. I think you will feel a lot better, we aren't kids anymore and we require lots of rest and high octane fuel.

**yannick35** · 01-01-2013, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by fit2bOld

Might do you some good Yannick to stay clean for a while and just fine tune your diet. I think you will feel a lot better, we aren't kids anymore and we require lots of rest and high octane fuel.

Agreed, its been one hell of a juice ride for me, i am glad because there was time a$$hole at my job who is 51 years old a fat a$$ jalous and he kept discouraging me about training and saying that at 40 i did not have the genetics to train or be has good has i did when i was young. I started training again my weight are going up and i feel like i was 25. This idiot used to smoke 2 packs a day and he is like 5 feet 4 and 200 pounds of fat. I just hate jalous idiots like that.

Its amazing that i feel great at 40 right now and am not that sore after training, i guess that its true if you did not waste yourself young, like drugs and drinking and smoking like crazy you can go a long way.

I feel that vitamin D did a good difference too ZMA, arginine and more.

**Natureboy71** · 01-05-2013, 06:30 PM

If your going to take 10,000 ui's of D a day make sure you get your levels checked after a while. That is a lot to take daily. If your concerned about your D levels get some sun or get into a sunbed once or twice a week and lower the oral to 4 or 5 thousand a day. You can't overdose from the D your make in your skin from UV light.

I was curious if you checked your blood pressure when you were at your max weight and what it was? Perhaps also you were retaining a lot of water which will make you tired all the time.