not sure about first cycle

[judoguy]

hi guys, obviously im a newby,ive been reading posts on various forums and have found this forum to be the best, i am a 45 year old that quit smoking 12 months ago and started a major heath kick,running,cross fit,and rejoined judo,also lifting weights at home,the crossfit has turned into weightlifting only now,i weigh 170,and relativly low bodyfat,and am on my 5 week of test cyp,taking arimadex daily,people have noticed me bulking up at the club and gym,i dont see much but strenght is definately up,my goal is not to look like a goon,judo requires ajility,and speed,strenght helps but mostly speed and tecnique wins fights.i dont want to loose my gains,i was going for 12 weeks ,one of my trainers says 20,other says 30 weeks,also im wondering how much and how often to take clomid after my cycle, please keep answers simple as i am far from expert on subject,thanks inadvance

[redz]

It would be harder to recover from a 20+ week cycle. Clomid is not enough for pct.

[judoguy]

so start clomid at 14 week mark for 2 weeks ???

[redz]

Are you running an ai? You should add in some Nolva to pct too.

[judoguy]

dont understand ai, i am taking arimadex every day thats it

[redz]

Ok adex is an ai, that's good!

[Gaspaco]

dont understand ai, i am taking arimadex every day thats it

Adex is AI. Aromatase inhibitor

[Gaspaco]

Adex is AI. Aromatase inhibitor

12weeks is plenty!

Add NOLVA as reds suggested above.

[judoguy]

so at 14 weeks how much nolva and clomid should i take ?

[redz]

I run a 4 week pct:
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/40/20/20

[Gaspaco]

12 weeks test cyp.

18 days after last shot start PCT

CLOMID 75/50/50/50
NOLVA 40/40/20/20

[Gaspaco]

I run a 4 week pct:
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/40/20/20

U got me

[judoguy]

ok so when you use # 50 were talking milograms correct ??

[Gaspaco]

ok so when you use # 50 were talking milograms correct ??

50mg

[redz]

Yeah personally I find over 50mg of Clomid has some ugly side effects.

[judoguy]

a higher dose probaly wont hurt im guessing with the 75 first week ??

[redz]

a higher dose probaly wont hurt im guessing with the 75 first week ??

Depends what you call hurt...... vision problems or getting crazy emotional......

[judoguy]

ok will do the 50.. also how long before i can go back on cycle,and how mucle loss can i expect realisticaly 30%-50%

[stpete]

Time on + PCT = Time off

Need to keep cals high after cycle and thru PCT and continue to hit the gym. It varies from person to person and we can't honestly give you a percentage. But what i suggested will help you in keeping gains.

[judoguy]

thanks guys, i appreciate all the great info !!!!