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    Enlarged heart

    I have a good friend from 4th grade.
    He was always massive without any juice.
    He was a genetic mass gainer.he trained sense 8th grade and was always pretty swol.
    He only did like 3 cycles after age 30
    Like
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    6 weeks 50mg anavar
    4 weeks winny 50
    And then went natural until 43 he passed out running at the beach and went to the Doc
    His heart was enlarged and only pumping 20% it was almost enclosed.
    They gave him meds to shrink the walls and he has lost alot of size over last 2 years .
    He asked me if he could do trt and i said no way.
    Ask a Doc.
    He asked me about sarms but i am not sure if that would even be safe for him.
    Is there anything safe for a enlarged heart for training????

    The doctor said absolutely no stimulants....

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    So are sarms safe?

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    Imo...

    The issue with enlarged hearts is mass in general.
    Steroids and hgh get the blame when it is just massive amounts of tissue requiring a heavy workload on the heart.

    Heart is just a pump. If its gotta pump a shit ton of blood to feed a bunch of tissue it will grow like anything.

    Dallas Mccarver had all major organs enlarged x2-4

    Well... No kidding. His muscles were all 2-4x as large. It grows to adapt like anything.

    My question is, once a heart is enlarged is it safer to lose mass? Now you got a big ass heart and less to feed...

    Speculation, just like all the medical journals I have read
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    Why the fuck with he just fuck with orals cycles ...

    It's bad enough he has a enlarged heart.

    Last thing he needs is an enlarged and damaged liver.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
    Imo...

    The issue with enlarged hearts is mass in general.
    Steroids and hgh get the blame when it is just massive amounts of tissue requiring a heavy workload on the heart.

    Heart is just a pump. If its gotta pump a shit ton of blood to feed a bunch of tissue it will grow like anything.

    Dallas Mccarver had all major organs enlarged x2-4

    Well... No kidding. His muscles were all 2-4x as large. It grows to adapt like anything.

    My question is, once a heart is enlarged is it safer to lose mass? Now you got a big ass heart and less to feed...

    Speculation, just like all the medical journals I have read
    Yes i told him to loose weight and go fot shreds
    He was repping 3 plates and curling 135 in 8th grade natural
    Just good genitics
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisp83TRT View Post
    Why the fuck with he just fuck with orals cycles ...

    It's bad enough he has a enlarged heart.

    Last thing he needs is an enlarged and damaged liver.



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    Yes he was scared of needles lmao
    I told him he would get low t from not running and getting what 30% of the boost they would give without test.
    He was already huge but wanted more ripps

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    Quote Originally Posted by jolter604 View Post
    Yes he was scared of needles lmao
    I told him he would get low t from not running and getting what 30% of the boost they would give without test.
    He was already huge but wanted more ripps
    I think everyone is kind of scared of needles until about the second time they do it... then you start to get an odd fascination with it and look forward to it
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    Quote Originally Posted by i_SLAM_cougars View Post
    I think everyone is kind of scared of needles until about the second time they do it... then you start to get an odd fascination with it and look forward to it
    I started glute
    Now i pin 3 cc 23gauge 1.5 " in quads
    Npp and master prop lmao
    And test base in sholders and lats insulin pin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jolter604 View Post
    I have a good friend from 4th grade.
    He was always massive without any juice.
    He was a genetic mass gainer.he trained sense 8th grade and was always pretty swol.
    He only did like 3 cycles after age 30
    Like
    4 weeks anadrol 50
    6 weeks 50mg anavar
    4 weeks winny 50
    And then went natural until 43 he passed out running at the beach and went to the Doc
    His heart was enlarged and only pumping 20% it was almost enclosed.
    They gave him meds to shrink the walls and he has lost alot of size over last 2 years .
    He asked me if he could do trt and i said no way.
    Ask a Doc.
    He asked me about sarms but i am not sure if that would even be safe for him.
    Is there anything safe for a enlarged heart for training????

    The doctor said absolutely no stimulants....
    When a virus damaged my heart, my left ventricle ejection fraction was sub-15%, I had left bundle branch block, cardiomyopathy, congestive heart failure, a slight mitral valve disorder, and atrial fibrillation. Also along the way I started throwing clots and upon some genetic testing, they discovered I have Leiden Factor V which causes one to produce clots easily, which is bad in combination with afib. (there's a whole shitload of things happening in the clotting cascade).

    Also, they tried me on Coumadin for an anticoagulant, but even at the max dosage my PT/INR was well outside normal values. The only anticoagulant that worked was Arixtra, but it has its own bad side effects so that didn't last long. They wanted to implant a Greenfield/ IVC basket but I refused. Once you have artificial implants in your body and go through what it takes if you get an infection, you stay clear of those things if at all possible.

    They had me on Digoxin, but that's another drug that had no effect on me even at 200mcg. I never could hit a therapeutic blood level, so that got ditched as well. The betablocker did help with the afib somewhat when the dosage was increased.

    Along the way, I fired a shitty cardiologist, got a more modern cardiologist and they implanted a biventricular pacemaker and put me on the newest available betablocker. I kept the pacemaker for 7 months and then got bacteremia and had to have the pacer removed so the staph could be cleared from my body. I was fortunate enough that my heart partially remodeled and my ejection fraction is now in the 40-45% range.

    Keep in mind these events happened over a period of several years and the bacteremia almost put me in skull orchard, my fever was over 104.3 at the highest point and the CCU nurses and infectious disease specialist all told me they thought I was a goner.

    Now, I am on TRT, but it is exactly that, TRT. I see nothing wrong with maintaining your NATURAL T levels, but would not advise cycling at all. Keep an eye on Hct, a compromised heart doesn't need any additional workload. Also, his training should be more oriented towards cardio and perhaps volume lifting vs. grinding out low reps. He absolutely needs to focus on breathing during lifting and not holding his breath. If he hasn't undergone cardiac rehab, I highly recommend it. The nurses closely monitor you and you get a feel for just how hard you can safely push yourself, which is a confidence booster.

    Stims aren't something I would tinker with, nor would I include SARMS, for the same reason I wouldn't advise him to cycle. I have 1 cup of coffee per day and occasionally put a teaspoon of instant coffee in my whey/ oats shake.

    Again, if.he dealing with hypogonadism, maintaining T within normal values is probably going to help him in the long run.

    I'm sure people.are going to disagree with my thoughts on the matter, but please consider I have "been there and done that".

    Once again, I see nothing wrong with maintaining normal T levels.

    He needs to be monitored and educate himself in TRT and followed by a good cardiologist and sharp PCP. Just for general information, I am on Dr. prescribed TRT.

    Why not have your friend join up and when he can, he can shoot me a PM and I will be glad to discuss the issues I dealt with. I may take a day or two to reply at times due to work, but if I can help, I will.

    If your friend's T levels are good, then he needs to focus on strengthening his CV system and please remind him to breathe when he lifts.
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    ^^^. Remind your friend that the heart can partially remodeled itself, but in my case it took a biventricular pacemaker, the proper meds, appropriate exercise, and being stubborn helps too.

    Notice in my post above that I went from an ejection fraction of less than 15% to 40-45%. That's a decent change, but it can be done.
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    One last thing. You noticed I didn't recommend SARMS and that is basically because I don't have enough knowledge or experience to make that call and isn't a knock against SARMS. I do feel there is still a lot of research that needs to be done before we fully understand SARMS.

    I do know that keeping your T levels within the normal healthy ranges is an asset, provided Hct and E2 are kept within normal levels as well.
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    This isn't really a competitive bodybuilding type question, so for now I'm going to move it to the over 40 forum, Jolter.
    Wanted to let you know in case your friend wants to sign up and is looking for the thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by almostgone View Post
    One last thing. You noticed I didn't recommend SARMS and that is basically because I don't have enough knowledge or experience to make that call and isn't a knock against SARMS. I do feel there is still a lot of research that needs to be done before we fully understand SARMS.

    I do know that keeping your T levels within the normal healthy ranges is an asset, provided Hct and E2 are kept within normal levels as well.
    Man he read your post and wasbvery helpful
    He was going heavy quick rest.
    Now he will go for reps and rest more between sets.
    But he then asked what about doing 20 to 40 mg nolvadex a day for test boost.
    Lmao
    Told him go see a trt doctor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by almostgone View Post
    ^^^. Remind your friend that the heart can partially remodeled itself, but in my case it took a biventricular pacemaker, the proper meds, appropriate exercise, and being stubborn helps too.

    Notice in my post above that I went from an ejection fraction of less than 15% to 40-45%. That's a decent change, but it can be done.
    Do you still blast AG? Or are you strictly dialed in TRT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Couchlockd View Post
    Do you still blast AG? Or are you strictly dialed in TRT?
    Occasional small blasts for me, Couch. 400 mg of cyp, 200mg of tren , and 100- 200mg of Deca is a big boy cycle for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by almostgone View Post
    Occasional small blasts for me, Couch. 400 mg of cyp, 200mg of tren, and 100- 200mg of Deca is a big boy cycle for me.
    What do u think about his nolvadex question for test boost

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    Quote Originally Posted by almostgone View Post
    Occasional small blasts for me, Couch. 400 mg of cyp, 200mg of tren , and 100- 200mg of Deca is a big boy cycle for me.
    My natural trenbolone levels are higher than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jolter604 View Post
    What do u think about his nolvadex question for test boost
    Honestly where he is at now, I would tell him to have his T levels checked, first. I'm hesitant to give out advice especially given his recent issues, but do feel healthy T levels are a good thing.

    If you want to try to dissuade him from tamoxifen usage (which I would), remind him that tamoxifen can increase the likelihood of clots and DVTs which is the last thing he needs
    now.

    I would encourage him to check his T levels and other relevant labs, though. T levels in the normal range are beneficial, but IMHO, he needs to be under a knowledgeable Dr.'s care. It may take some time and searching to locate a good Dr., but is well worth the effort.

    If he wanted to add anything, I would go with Vitamin D if his levels are low.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
    My natural trenbolone levels are higher than that.
    No doubt!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by almostgone View Post
    No doubt!!
    I am amazed at what you pull off after what you been through with your heart so young.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
    I am amazed at what you pull off after what you been through with your heart so young.
    Stubbornness works at times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jolter604 View Post
    So are sarms safe?
    TRT could possibly be safe because all your doing is replacing testosterone to get normal levels, Not taking it to extreme numbers.
    I'd have him get some blood work to see where his natural levels are currently.
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    So my bro is doing fine on 200mg test last month or 2
    Doc checkup said he was doing good.

    FOOD IS EVERYTHING
    BEST PRE WOROUT JUICE
    IS QWIM JUICE!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jolter604 View Post
    So my bro is doing fine on 200mg test last month or 2
    Doc checkup said he was doing good.

    FOOD IS EVERYTHING
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    That's excellent news!
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    Quote Originally Posted by almostgone View Post
    That's excellent news!
    He is still not feeling anymore energy yet may e has do with heart no being 100% but he said he is more horny lmao

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    Tell him to be patient and persistent; he'll get there. Don't let him skimp on moderate cardio either.
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    Is he under a Dr. supervised TRT?
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    Quote Originally Posted by almostgone View Post
    Is he under a Dr. supervised TRT?
    No self diagnose

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    Quote Originally Posted by jolter604 View Post
    No self diagnose

    FOOD IS EVERYTHING
    Crap, well if he can find a Dr. to work with him, it would be better. I know it can be tough finding one if you have a prior cardiac event.
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