Pct?

[BDS]

Hi all,
I'm 7 weeks into a 10 week test enanthate cycle, using 1ml (250mg) each week. My first cycle, and have made some decent improvements.

Except for a bit of testicle shrinkage, I've gained no physical side effects. Only a bit of increased aggression, that's it.

My question is, what PCT is recommended, and how long for?

Thanx all.

[Tyrone_Biggums]

Hi all,
I'm 7 weeks into a 10 week test enanthate cycle, using 1ml (250mg) each week. My first cycle, and have made some decent improvements.

Except for a bit of testicle shrinkage, I've gained no physical side effects. Only a bit of increased aggression, that's it.

My question is, what PCT is recommended, and how long for?

Thanx all.

250mg once a week is too low ( best to do 250mg every 4 days)....but too late for that now.

PCT for test E
Half life for Enanthate is 10.5 days so start PCT about 12 days after last shot.
Week 1. of PCT 60mg Nolvadex ED
Week 2. 40mg Nolvadex ED
Week 3. 40mg Nolvadex ED
week 4. 20mg Nolvadex ED



Clomid and Nolvadex


I am not sure how Clomid and Nolvadex became so separated in the minds of bodybuilders. They certainly should not be. Clomid and Nolvadex are both anti-estrogens belonging to the same group of triphenylethylene compounds. They are structurally related and specifically classified as selective estrogen receptor modulators (SERMs) with mixed agonistic and antagonistic properties. This means that in certain tissues they can block the effects of estrogen, by altering the binding capacity of the receptor, while in others they can act as actual estrogens, activating the receptor. In men, both of these drugs act as anti-estrogens in their capacity to oppose the negative feedback of estrogens on the hypothalamus and stimulate the heightened release of GnRH (Gonadotropin Releasing Hormone). LH output by the pituitary will be increased as a result, which in turn can increase the level of testosterone by the testes. Both drugs do this, but for some reason bodybuilders persist in thinking that Clomid is the only drug good at stimulating testosterone. What you will find with a little investigation however is that not only is Nolvadex useful for the same purpose, it should actually be the preferred agent of the two.

Studies conducted in the late 1970's at the University of Ghent in Belgium make clear the advantages of using Nolvadex instead of Clomid for increasing testosterone levels (1). Here, researchers looked the effects of Nolvadex and Clomid on the endocrine profiles of normal men, as well as those suffering from low sperm counts (oligospermia). For our purposes, the results of these drugs on hormonally normal men are obviously the most relevant. What was found, just in the early parts of the study, was quite enlightening. Nolvadex, used for 10 days at a dosage of 20mg daily, increased serum testosterone levels to 142% of baseline, which was on par with the effect of 150mg of Clomid daily for the same duration (the testosterone increase was slightly, but not significantly, better for Clomid). We must remember though that this is the effect of three 50mg tablets of Clomid. With the price of both a 50mg Clomid and 20mg Nolvadex typically very similar, we are already seeing a cost vs. results discrepancy forming that strongly favors the Nolvadex side.


References:

1. Hormonal effects of an antiestrogen, tamoxifen , in normal and oligospermic men. Vermeulen, Comhaire. Fertil and Steril 29 (1978) 320-7

2. Disparate effect of clomiphene and tamoxifen on pituitary gonadotropin release in vitro. Adashi EY, Hsueh AJ, Bambino TH, Yen SS. Am J Physiol 1981 Feb;240(2):E125-30

3. The effect of clomiphene citrate on sex hormone binding globulin in normospermic and oligozoospermic men. Adamopoulos, Kapolla et al. Int J Androl 4 (1981) 639-45

[Papi93]

Hi all,
I'm 7 weeks into a 10 week test enanthate cycle, using 1ml (250mg) each week. My first cycle, and have made some decent improvements.

Except for a bit of testicle shrinkage, I've gained no physical side effects. Only a bit of increased aggression, that's it.

My question is, what PCT is recommended, and how long for?

Thanx all.

20mg Nolva, 100mg Clomid ED for at least 1 month or until fully recovered. If your budget permits, another good addition would be 0.25mg arimidex ED.